Wanna play a warmage in an upcoming game and need it to rock. Have read alot of stuff knocking this class.
Would like it if it could be pimped.
Was thinking Warmage?/IOSV7/Sand Shper?
Utilising versatile spellcaster and one of the Feat bloodline spellists from Dragon compendium (unsure which)
The bloodline feat and Sand shaper add alot of new spells, versatile spellcaster will let me swap low level crappy for higher level spells.
PHB II eclectic learning will give 3 more utility spells.
IOSV will give good defensive abilites without sacrificing spell levels.
Unsure of the rest of feat selection, gear etc., ways too get more spells known
Help please?
BAB is gonna suck (i can live with that) but need to make this guy an arcane killa if poss. HAVE to keep my 9th lvl spells.
Warmages Blow Goats For Pocket Change; OR, Why You Should Play A Sorcerer Instead
and if for whatever reason you still want to play a Warmage, then:
Warmage Build Guide
Umm, why not be a monk instead if you want an arcane caster killer? It's about the only thing they're good at. You'll make someone feel special somewhere if you do that.
Umm, why not be a monk instead if you want an arcane caster killer? It's about the only thing they're good at. You'll make someone feel special somewhere if you do that.
That would be a good idea if monks were actually good at that. You're better off blowing goats.
-AS-
Umm, why not be a monk instead if you want an arcane caster killer? It's about the only thing they're good at. You'll make someone feel special somewhere if you do that.
Even with the get-out-of-jail card that Abundant step is, it's not a good idea. The most you should get, as usual, is 6 monk levels, but even then I'd suggest another base class. If you have problems with casters, the best idea is to fight fire with fire, imo.
The monk is imo at its best when countering other agile combatants such as rogues or scouts, or possibly against archers. It's not as bad vs mages as a few other classes, but it's far from good at it.
As much as I loved the new spellist it was overpowered.
Found (I think) a decent solution for a fairly rockin' but not insane Warmage.
Build: Human, Two flaws
Wis must be 15
Non-good 'Dark hero, uses evil against evil type'
Warmage 13/IOSV7
Lvl 1 Feats- Arcane Disciple- Protection domain (all spells are Abj. 1/day but fills preq for IOSV)
Mother Cyst- grants some AWESOME Save or Dies, (dependant on a successful 2nd level casting. All offensive spells in the list 5th lvl or higher deal capped 15d6 on a successful save and die if fail (necrotic eruption has the added benefit of implanting a cyst in sorrounding creatures)
Penumbra Bloodline (Dragon Compendium)-Grants some shadow spells, including Shadow Evocation and Greater version.
Spell Focus: Necro
Lvl3-Spell Focus:Abj
Lvl 6-Skill Focus:Spellcraft
Lvl9- Versatile Spellcaster
Lvl12-Gtr Spell Focus: Abj
Lvl15-Extra Spell: Need help
Lvl18-Extra Spell: Need help
Advanced/Eclectic Learning-
3- Dawnburst
6-Manyjaws or Great Thunderclap or Wings of Cover
11- Wall of Force or Wings of Flurry or Dimension Door.
NOTES
Char role- Dark Persona Focused Blaster (Hence use of Warmage) with some good save of Die's (Mother Cyst)
Evocations likely Copied (Shadow and Gtr)
Seeking Ray (PHB II)
Ray of Ice (SC)
Scorching Ray (PHB)
Tenser’s Floating Disk (PHB)
Manyjaws or Great Thunderclap or Wings of Cover (Depending on what I choose above)
Blacklight (SC)
Ghost Lantern (CM)
Sonorous Hum (SC) :evillaugh I think this would ALWAYSwork as he BBEG does not interact with it.
Contingency
Give up your save and have this work all the time.Bigby’s Grasping Hand (PHB)
ForceCage
Wall of Force or Wings of Flurry (Depending on what I choose above)
So
*THINGS I'M UNSURE OF. 1. The Description for manyjaws in my SC says they are up to 10 pairs of jaws doing 1d6 dam NOT 1d6/CL so why does everyone act like one set of jaws does 1d6/lvl capped at 10d6? IS THIS ERRATA?
2. Are these the best possible choices for Advanced/Eclectic Learning?
3. Are the Shadow Evocation/Gtr versions worth it? The ability to spontaneously cast ANY evocation spell I want seems great but does the extra will save make it crap?
4. Is this the best feat selection?
5. What spells do I learn at 15,18 (keep in mind DM rules ANY spell is allowed as long as it's arcane)
I know this class doesn't do 3million damage on x spell but the class abilities for IOSV are pretty powerful defensively. Will this be playable. I normally play straight psions or gish psions or the Big stupid fighter. Never a pure caster before so need advice.
Would have liked focused specialist (Treantmont seems to rate em) so I could learn the best spells but I really like the spontaneus casting (hence, my preference for Psions but sorcerers have to few spells known for me).
-AS-
Not sure if the Mothercyst spells are as good as first thought. Takes 2 rounds to kill. One for the 2nd level cyst spell (which may fail) and another for the save of die. Is this using too many actions?
*runs away from the can of worms*
If you really want your warmage to rock, prestige bard.
With Eclectic Learning to nab Charm Person, it's actually not a bad idea.
Cheers, where is Gtr Arcane Fusion?
Not sure if the Mothercyst spells are as good as first thought. Takes 2 rounds to kill. One for the 2nd level cyst spell (which may fail) and another for the save of die. Is this using too many actions?
Greater Arcane Fusion is Complete Mage.
2 rounds is a bit long in all honesty. You are lacking some metamagic(empower, maximize) so you could always trade Mother Cyst out.
Trying to get Charm Person would be nice, actually. If you figure out the skills side, you can get into Mindbender, which would be pretty sweet.
-AS-
To get into Prestige Bard you need divination, illusion, enchantment. Your list starts with one (divination) and you can eclectic-ize the others.
It does take a feat of some sort to get the necessary Perform ranks.
Not to mention you'd immediately add some handy spells to your spell list.
Way I see it- Rd 1 cast hightened Necrotic Cyst (max spell level avail) on the caster boss. Use swift action spell to hit someone else.
RD2- Use necrotic eruption on caster (save and still suck) if saved made still takes 15d6 (half vile) but if save failed he dies, surrounding fodder must save or be infected with their own cyst AND take 15d6 damage (reflex half)
Rd3- Boss dead so either commence blasty cleanup or Use Necrotic Tumor to dominate that Big stupid fighter that MAY have failed his save.
Worth it? Any one know the save vs fort likely hood for a caster type?
On which blasts better, warmage does so hands down(as indicated in that thread).
Bah, Warmages can't cast Maw of Chaos!
Okay, seriously, getting more spells on the list is priority number 1. Sandshaper and PrC bard both do it, but you lose caster levels. If you could find a way to get Silent Image onto your spell list, Shadowcraft Mage would absolutely rock.
JaronK
Ok, so you're missing our point on Mindbender. Try this.
Warmage 6 (w/ two eclectic learnings) / Prestige Bard 2 / Mindbender 1
That's only one lost CL (from Prestige Bard 1) ... a hugely expanded spell list. Feat-wise you'll need Apprentice (Entertainer) or similar to snag Perform + Practiced Spellcaster.
FROM THERE you don't do anything else to lose a caster level. One ain't horrible.
Ask your DM about it - I'm playing that way in a game, no expanded spell list yet, and rocking. I just focus everything on INT, get some nice bonus damage and some nice bonus spells - as it should be.
You would have Spell Immunity and Spell Resistance at 10th level qualifying the 2 abjuration spells level 4 or above requirement.
You would get some decent protection spells on the list as well.
If anyone could go thru some of the better SS spells? If there are any pearls in there.
Cheers
Kill this thread- not happy with the way warmage is shaping.
Most people I've talked about it weren't either...
Kill this thread- not happy with the way warmage is shaping.
What is disappointing you about it? The setup(IotSV) you have is very unusual, so that could have some impact. It would be interesting to hear your problem, though.
-AS-
At later levels, Rainbow Servant is awesome paired with their ability to cast any spell on their spell list. At lower levels, I generally prefer prestige bard. IotSF did sound pretty interested though. What were your problems? What level did you start, etc.?
That's only one lost CL (from Prestige Bard 1) ... a hugely expanded spell list. Feat-wise you'll need Apprentice (Entertainer) or similar to snag Perform + Practiced Spellcaster.
where does it state anything about gaining more spells from the prestige bard? It will increase CL of certain schools as well as lowering the CL of others... but thats it
Spellcasting
When a new prestige bard level is gained (except at 1st, 3rd, 7th, and 13th level), the character gains new spells per day (and spells known, if applicable) as if she had also gained a level in whatever arcane spellcasting class she belonged to before she added the prestige class.
A prestige bard casts arcane spells from the schools of divination, enchantment, and illusion at +2 caster level. She casts arcane spells from the schools of evocation and necromancy at -2 caster level.
Unique Spells
The bard, paladin, and ranger spell lists contain a number of spells that don't appear on other classes' spell lists. In general, any character who enters one of these prestige classes should gain access to spells unique to that class's spell list, at the same levels indicated for the standard class. At the game master's discretion, spells unique to that class's spell list found in other books may also be available, but on a case by case basis. The game master may require such spells to be researched or learned specifically by the character, rather than simply making them freely available.
Thanks for the inspiration- if you'd like to help optimise the sorcerer go to:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1020100
Hello,
Wanna play a warmage in an upcoming game and need it to rock.
Have your DM make a new class for you and call it a Warmage.
Have your DM make a new class for you and call it a Warmage.
I can no longer tell when people are joking or being serious....
I can no longer tell when people are joking or being serious....
I'm serious. With a few tweaks to the class, it could be a lot better. The main issue is warmage edge not scaling correctly between 1st and 20th levels. If it scaled up over time (perhaps being able to add +int to spell damage per 5 levels) then it'd be a bit more playable.