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#1 flawless_p Feb 21, 2009 20:19:04	ok so I wanted to make a centralized villian that as single person is enough to take on a group of 10 optimized characters so I gave him some extreme base stats at first level and I want him to end up with 20 class levels. so with an 18 in every stat and the Paladin of Tyranny variant as a base where should I go with this. He is a Human and can have up to his limit in magic items for all I care he should be broken because my players are broken. any suggestions especially on feats, I will use basically any feat from any 3.5 book as well as magic items. This is one evil evil man so all things go.
#2 kabof_ Feb 21, 2009 21:21:46	What exactly is "a group of 10 optimized characters"? Are we talking about 10 druids with the Natural Spell feat? 10 DMM Clerics? 10 Chain-Trippers? If you help firts with a little more information, I'm sure the boards will help you a lot more with some nasty builds.
#3 unundindur Feb 21, 2009 21:33:25	10 properly optimized characters? If you are not going into infinite loops I wonder how you can possibly win. Its like comparing a Snickers with 10 Snickers. Who is more Snickers? It doesn't help adding a little peanuts in there, you have to bring some real chocolate to the board (aka Lindt). You can always do a PunPun, but he isn't fun no matter how optimized people are. Maybe something like the twice betrayer of Shar would work (though an optimized player may well be one...)?
#4 flawless_p Feb 21, 2009 23:37:19	alright the optimized part is more of a 2 guys who have been playing since the beginning of 3.5 and have a majority of the books assisted with character creation. I will give some details about each one A bugbear rogue whos greatest claim to fame is his ring of invisibility. A Centaur Monster of Legend(no current class levels but casts as cleric due to the template.) A tiefling Necromancer variant A Drow Evoker Variant A Human Druid Master of Many Forms A tiefling Rogue/Dread Pirate A Half-Black Dragon Fighter that will be taking levels in Occult Slayer A Half-Fiend (Human) Rogue A Hobgoblin Ranger Fighter Rogue Not all of them are hardcore optimized but they are all good at what they do. I don't need to take them all on in some epic struggle I can do it one on one or in a sneaky way.
#5 jameswilliamogle Feb 21, 2009 23:43:18	Make sure to take Leadership. That'll help with any weaknesses in the main build. It seems fairly clear to me that you need a character that is optimized at each individual level, as compared to optimized at just high end or low. That limits some options. You should go for a multi-threat build, I think (ie builds with multiple of the following: 9th level psionic powers, 9th level divine spells, 9th level arcane spells, +16 BAB, lots of skill points and trapfinding <-this last one's not important for you). There's a couple of ways to do this. Classes to look at: Ur-Priest (9th level cleric spells in 9 levels; relatively easy prereqs) Nar Demonbinder (8th level arcane spells; limited list; relatively easy prereqs) Sublime Chord (9th level wiz/sorc spells; tough skill prereqs) Fochlucan Lyracist (full BAB; tough prereqs) Blighter (9th level divine spells in 9 levels; very easy prereqs; crappy list - fairly weak) There's been a ton of builds involving each; I suggest looking in "Some Handy Links for Optimization Work" stickied on the top of this forum, and in the second post you'll find links to awesome handbooks on each one (except the Blighter). Another option: You've got 4 casters, and 3 melee types. With this, you could do an anti-caster build that will kick butt and take names (and won't be good at taking names). There was a Warblade / Jade Phoenix Mage build that was put to the test against a lot of optimized characters (the BBEG had a pair of Swordsages, if I remember right, that threw enemies through walls of fire and such). Anybody remember the link??? Anyways, I'm biased to Binders, so I'm inclined to suggest one. And, since you want optimized, we might as well use LA Buyoff rules and Bloodlines... I'll put up a build later.
#6 thehumandynamo Feb 22, 2009 0:02:12	With an 18 in every stat here is my suggestions: Human Paladin of Tyranny4/Fighter2/Black Guard 3/Bone Knight1/Ur Priest1/Bone Knight9 You get Cha to saves x2, 9th level cleric spells, all of the bone knight armor and skeletal steed goodies, Two auras that stack for a total of -4 to saves, +16 BAB, Rebuke undead qualifies you for Divine MIght (Cha to Damage), Divine Shield (Cha to AC), Divine Metamagic (Persist things like Divine Power, Righteous Might, etc). Items you'll want: Pump your Wis and Cha through the roof, Slippers of battledancing will get you Cha to Damage, a belt of magnificence will give you +6 to all stats for 200,000gp, items to increase AC, damage output, saves, and give you more actions (belt of battle + 9th level spellcasting = two 9th level spells per round for silly fun).
#7 jameswilliamogle Feb 22, 2009 0:03:32	Karsite (LA Bought Off) Binder 15 / Knight of Sacred Seal 5 EBL of 20 BAB of +16/+11/+6/+1 SR of 30 DR 10/magic Full Martial Proficiency Full Armor Proficiency lots of small abilities Strategies: Focus on using Karsus's Dispelling Touch, Zagan's Aversion and grappling, and Savnok's Full Plate (w/ Fortification, to mess up the rogues). For the last vestige, I'd go with what is known to be good (I like Haures for Mind Blank, but it has other benefits as well). Pick up the Shape Soulmeld and Open Chakra feats for evasion (vs. AoEs). Regardless, you need Leadership... You need more actions per round to compete with your party. The party is not the most optimized out there; neither is this build.
#8 Krusk Feb 22, 2009 0:55:25	paladin slaughter 2/barb 1/fighter 2/frenzied berserker 10/ hexblade 3/blackgaurd 2 Cha to saves a ton of times, full BAB, killer in melee, and the ability to cast a few minor spells/powers. (if you care about alignment for barbarians you have to do slaughter, if not do put tyranny back in.) Best part is that you don't have to say "he is a frenzied berserker" which to an optimized party means "throw a grease spell at him" so the auto kill features that are built into the class. Extra rage is nice if you want to rage more than once a day (i dont know, if he is a villian probably not?) Regardless of whatever else you do, two levels in blackgaurd is basically mandatory. Cha to saves twice is just too good.
#9 agahi_renem Feb 22, 2009 2:39:08	Id say go with a necromancer of some sort (K's necromancy handbook)(dread necromancer handbook) for dealing with that many PCs The benefits are that it dosent matter how tough he is (which he will be but it dosent matter) because he will have super mega undead to fight the party for him, while he cherry picks with avasculates or something even worse. A good challange of endurance for the party, and they will hate the bbeg so much they will remember killing him for years to come.
#10 flawless_p Feb 22, 2009 3:19:02	With an 18 in every stat here is my suggestions: Human Paladin of Tyranny4/Fighter2/Black Guard 3/Bone Knight1/Ur Priest1/Bone Knight9 Doesn't Ur-Priest require that you do cannot have the ability to cast any divine magic upon entry
#11 PlzBreakMyCampaign Feb 22, 2009 5:33:57	Doesn't Ur-Priest require that you do cannot have the ability to cast any divine magic upon entry You can, but you have to give it up. Deja vu... I reply to these "help I'm a DM and my players optimize hard, but I want to beat them at their own game with 1 PC" increasingly. The bone knight build is the best so far because of the DMM (and the tasty immunities). If you need even more firepower (and you don't allow leadership stupidity) try my CoDzilla build in the link in my sig. Its highly theoretical but it was designed carefully to do exactly what you want (except he's CN rather than LE): take one a highly optimized party. I answer PMs
#12 thehumandynamo Feb 22, 2009 6:24:10	Another option is to replace bone knight with Master of Shrouds and laugh as you use items/spells to meld into the ground and leave the party with a bunch of incorporeal undead to deal with. Each time you kill a PC, one more mob in your gang to beat up the rest (and you'd still have 9th level spells and DMM is even more of an option as you get more turn attempts).
#13 innabinder Feb 22, 2009 7:33:17	Dread Necromancer 16/Warblade 4, with Practiced Caster, Corpsecrafter, Daunting Presence, Necromantic Presence, Deadly Chill, Destructive Retribution, Leadership, Undead Leadership, and Tomb-Tainted Soul. Your BBEG's main weakness - a huge one, in fact - is the D&D Action Economy is 10 - 1 against him. Leadership, Undead Leadership, and the various undead commanding/creating abilities of Dread Necro alleviate that. Warblade 4 at every 5th level lets you pick and choose some of the stronger maneuvers to amp up your own damage output while the skellies at your command swarm the party.
#14 kabof_ Feb 22, 2009 8:07:12	I guess this'll work best: Bariaur PoT 7/Bone Knight 10/Divine Oracle 2/Pious Templar 1. Feats: Skill Focus (Knowledge [Religion]), True Believer, Weapon Focus, Extend Spell, Persistent Spell, DMM: Persistent Spell, Leadership [any full-spellcaster cohort]. Spells: Persist both Favor of The Martyr and Lionheart. Items of note: ring of Freedom of Movement, Daazix's Vest, Nightsticks. I guess this guy and his army can give your players a good fight.
#15 starvin007 Feb 22, 2009 12:31:40	I'm definitely agreeing that your biggest problem is that they have you out actioned 10-1. And I certainly agree that necromancer, leadership, or both is a good way to get you out of this hole. One thing that I've been toying around with recently is a necromancer super specialist wizard (from PHB2, drop 3 schools and 1 spell per day for 3 spells per day in your specialist school- comes out to 6 spells/level, 3 of which are in 1 school). Build up your army of undead, but most of your preps per day go into rays that suck ability scores and levels. Things like Ray of Feebleness, Ray of stupidity, Enervate, Touch of Idiocy, Mind Poison (DC works of your casting stat and CL, as opposed to just casting stat +spell level, very nice). So, necromancer whos undead posse ties up the party. What I suggest next might sound weird, but I think it might work, if you don't want to be just straight caster. Drop a level into barbarian, and hit rage mage. only half casting, but at the end it lets you use Tenser's Transformation and still cast normally (only once per day, but how many times per day do you meet the BBEG?). So, undead attack, Tenser's Trans, run around doing 2 things- rod of Quickening (or just regular quickening) debuffs on the martial types so your pets can eat them, while you hack up the wizards, martial beast that you are. Down side- this has nothing to do with your paladin of tyranny. Using that, i agree with Blackguard 2 for your saves. After that, I still say make undead friends, and then I'd say hit up Dread Witch. Fear the un-fearable, and those that are fearable are just that much easier to fear. It's certainly good crowd control- if you can panic them then you're eating into that action deficit. Last little trick (yes, its again with Undead). If you can, use blackfire- hell, if you can't make a magic item that can and give it to him, you're the DM and he's the BBEG. It's a level 8 sorc/wiz spell; technically, its a ranged touch attack to set the person on fire. After that, every time they fail a fort save they're nauseated and take 1d4 Con. And if you're standing next to someone on blackfire, reflex save or you're on blackfire. So, how this comes into play- undead can be neither nauseated nor take con damage. So, set them on fire, then send them into the midst of the party. It lasts for round/CL, and for an undead it's pretty much an uber buff. hell, make a **** ton of weak undead, with one or two baddies. Cast blackfire on the baddie, have it spread to all the weak ones. Now, make the party wade through this flaming army of trash- every time one gets close, Reflex save. Unless they have a dispelling screen or something prepared, they won't be able to put out all of it before they're surrounded. Once they're taking con damage and throwing up (even if they make the fort save on this spell they are sickened instead of nauseated, and it only goes away if you make the save 3 times in a row), send in the heavyweights and start smashing.
#16 thehumandynamo Feb 22, 2009 13:58:29	If you go with the master of shrouds build I posted, the 10-1 attack rate is mitigated. When you use spells/items/etc to effectively sit inside the ground, the party can't attack you. All you have to do then is keep summoning undead, killing things with your incorporeal undead, and eventually you win. I used a similar build to solo the entire Horde in Red Hand of Doom (including the aspect of Tiamat). The largest problem is that you need to figure out a way of tossing out cannon fodder to feed to your shadows/wraiths in order to increase the number of undead on the playing field.
#17 jameswilliamogle Feb 22, 2009 14:26:33	\Your BBEG's main weakness - a huge one, in fact - is the D&D Action Economy is 10 - 1 against him. Hey, along these lines, a Planard Shephard build can get exactly 10 round : 1 compression :D. Thus getting actions at a 1 : 1 BBEG : Players (with a single character).
#18 rasmus_wagner Feb 22, 2009 14:34:05	alright the optimized part is more of a 2 guys who have been playing since the beginning of 3.5 and have a majority of the books assisted with character creation. I will give some details about each one A bugbear rogue whos greatest claim to fame is his ring of invisibility. A Centaur Monster of Legend(no current class levels but casts as cleric due to the template.) A tiefling Necromancer variant A Drow Evoker Variant A Human Druid Master of Many Forms A tiefling Rogue/Dread Pirate A Half-Black Dragon Fighter that will be taking levels in Occult Slayer A Half-Fiend (Human) Rogue A Hobgoblin Ranger Fighter Rogue Not all of them are hardcore optimized but they are all good at what they do. I don't need to take them all on in some epic struggle I can do it one on one or in a sneaky way. Sooo....a bunch of rogues and fighters, an evoker, a necromancer, and a druid who's sacrificed spellcasting for more fightyness? They sound like easy meat to me.
#19 flawless_p Feb 22, 2009 16:58:00	This is what I have so far any suggestions 5 Fighter/5 Paladin of Tyranny/10 Blackguard Str 20 Str Dex 18 Dex Con 20 Con Int 18 Int Wis 18 Wis Cha 19 Cha FEATS Feat 1(1rst Level): Cleave Human Racial Feat: Combat Expertise Fighter Bonus Feat 1 (1rst Level): Improved Trip Fighter Bonus Feat 2 (2nd Level): Power Attack Feat 2 (3rd Level): Knock-Down Fighter Bouns Feat 3 (4th Level): Feat 3 (6th Level): Improved Sunder Feat 4 (9th Level): Monkey Grip Feat 5 (12th Level): Feat 6 (15th Level): Feat 7 (18th Level): ATTRIBUTE POINTS 4th: Con 8th: Str 12th: Cha 16th: Str 20th: Con MAGIC ITEMS An Enchanted Scythe don't know what to use yet however (I know the Scythe may not be the best but It's more of a style choice also I took mokey grip so I can use a Large sized Scythe and do 2d6 instead of 2d4 if this isnt a good idea feel free to change it around.)
#20 flawless_p Feb 22, 2009 17:03:05	he also has a 10th level unholy scion human wizard that will bring the hurt on the PC's with him, so I was thinking of having that wizard get a bit of animate dead in there.
#21 jameswilliamogle Feb 22, 2009 18:05:04	Corrupt Weapon works pretty well with a Scythe; its a luck thing, though, so if you can enhance the number of times you attack, that'll help.
#22 flawless_p Feb 22, 2009 19:02:19	Corrupt Weapon works pretty well with a Scythe; its a luck thing, though, so if you can enhance the number of times you attack, that'll help. only problem is the pc's are also evil
#23 jameswilliamogle Feb 22, 2009 19:41:19	only problem is the pc's are also evil UMD + Bless Weapon, then :D.
#24 innabinder Feb 22, 2009 19:55:43	This is what I have so far any suggestions 5 Fighter/5 Paladin of Tyranny/10 Blackguard Thou shalt not take an odd number of Fighter levels. Here endeth the lesson.
#25 flawless_p Feb 23, 2009 2:23:37	Weapon Specialization (Scythe) Greater Weapon Focus (Scythe) Greater Weapon Specialization (Scythe) Weapon Focus (Scythe) I was thinking of rounding him out with this because his str modifier plus the extra damage from weapon spec will have him doing his free trip with every sucessful hit.
#26 PlzBreakMyCampaign Feb 23, 2009 2:28:53	Thou shalt not take an odd number of Fighter levels. Here endeth the lesson. Sorry but I gotta lol at that. :P
#27 phaedrusxy Feb 23, 2009 10:55:31	You definitely should go with an Ur-Priest. You might take my character from here and add 8 more levels onto it, but he could probably beat your party of PCs as-is at level 12. ;) I rolled poorly, or otherwise his Initiative should be +18, and it could be +22 if you use Heroics to add Improved Initiative. He has the Mother Cyst feat, and has permanently enslaved a war troll, which he normally possesses via Magic Jar (the stats below are for him fully buffed while inside the war troll). As-is, he needs an Incantatrix "buddy" who has Extend and Persistent Spell to help him buff. This guy can be enslaved via Mother Cyst, also. He doesn't even have to help in the fight, just for buffing. I took one level of a homebrewed PrC, but it could easily be replaced, which would allow you to dump several otherwise useless feats and take Divine Metamagic: Persistent Spell so he doesn't need the Incantatrix (there is one in the party I'm playing him in). With Divine Metamagic + Anima Mage, he has lots of free metamagic uses per day. Use them for buffing and throwing out Chained Greater Dispel Magics (or other debuffs). He has devoted himself to an elder evil for bonus vile feats every 5 levels. The stats below include a Recitation which isn't listed in his prepared spells (it was cast by another party member, but he could cast it himself). His fully buffed stats (at level 12) are as follows: Show HP 232/162 (avg) DR 5/ad, 9/good Speed 70 (and Air Walk) AC 49, Touch 18, Flat-footed 46 Saves: Fort +34, Ref +26, Will +46 (+5 Profane, +6 Resistance, +3 Luck, +5 Morale) Attacks: cold iron longspear (+5) +39/+39/+34/+29 ((2d6) 3d6+36, 20/x3) or morning star (+5) +39/+39/+34/+29 ((2d6) 3d6+36, 20/x2) or MW composite longbow (+5) +22/+22/+17/+12 ((2d6) 3d6+18) and bite +26/+26 ((1d6) 1d8+9, 20/x2) Special Attacks: Dazing Blow Fort save DC 27 or be stunned for 1 round after he hits someone, Magic Jar (Su) DC 20 chain shirt (+5), animated +1 light mithril shield (+5) (+9 Armor, +6 Shield, +3 Dex, -2 Size, +16 Natural, +3 Deflect, +2 insight, -1 trait, +3 luck) Abilities Str 49, Dex 16, Con 33, Int 18, Wis 30, Cha 20 Conditions Immune to disease, poison, fear, Regen 9 (acid), SR 20, Vestigal Awareness (+2 ini w/good pact). Long duration buffs (all CL 20): Consumptive Field, Divine Power, Righteous Might, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful, Magic Vestment (x2), Greater Magic Weapon, Superior Resistance, Heroes Feast, Permanent Arcane Sight (CL21), Shield Other (on familiar). Also, see bound vestiges. Initiative boosters: Nerveskitter +5 (unnamed), Vestigal Awareness +2(unnamed, get with successfully bound vestige), Balam bound +2 (insight), Aggressive trait +2(unnamed), Dex +3, Sign +4 (unnamed)(duration 200 minutes, prepares 2 per day), Improved Initiative +4 (unnamed)(from Heroics, 40 min duration) -From The Eye of the Traveler legendary item: Cunning (never flat-footed), Featherfall, Still Spell 3xday (6th level spells), +3 Defl. -Contingency (CL21)(cast via Limited Wish) [triggered to go off when Heartening shield is activated (immediate action)], casts Plane Shift (Astral Plane) -Temp HP: 7d8+(1d8+10)+20 (+1d8 for 10 min from Death Knell) Relevant Skills: Bluff +16, Concentration +21, Diplomacy +20, Know: Rel +21(26), Know: Arcana +9 (14), Know: Planes +9 (14), Knowledge: Local (Dalelands), Nature, Dungeoneering, and History +5(10), Listen +12(14), Spot +12(14), Sense Motive +15, Spellcraft +21, Use Magic Device +9 Prepared Spells 0: Detect Magic (x2), No Light (x3), Amaneunsis (copies up to 250 words/min, 10 min/lvl) 1: Obscuring Mist, Comprehend Languages, Disguise Self(d), Ebon Eyes, Sign (x2), Omen of Peril 2: Augury, Death Knell, Necrotic Cyst, Guidance of the Avatar, [Shield Other (even) or Lesser Restoration (odd)], (alternatives: Detect Law/Evil, Necrotic Scrying, Undetectable Alignment, Living Undeath, Divine Insight, Expeditious Retreat) 3: Magic Vestment (Extended via Rod), Mass Resist Energy, Mass Lesser Vigor, Invisibility Purge, Mass Conviction, (alternatives: Blindsight) 4: Dimensional Anchor, Freedom of Movement, Death Ward, Air Walk, (alternatives: Divination, Delay Death) 5: Plane Shift, True Seeing, Extended DMM: Persistent [Consumptive Field (odd) or Divine Power (even)], Extended Greater Magic Weapon, (alternative: Commune) 6: Extended DMM: Persistent [Righteous Might (even) or Righteous Wrath of the Faithful (odd)], Greater Dispel Magic, Heal, (alternative: Find the Path) 7: Extended Heroes Feast, Extended Superior Resistance, (alternatives: Dictum, Blasphemy, Necrotic Tumor) Buffing routine: I'm assuming Consumptive Field caps at +10 CL, +20 Str, and +10d8 temp. hit points. Only the CL cap is explicitly stated. I also assume it can't bootstrap off itself with multiple castings, but that you can boost your "starting caster level" via other means. On odd days -Death Knell on something (CL 13) -He uses Dark Speech for another +1 CL while casting Consumptive Field. This adds +7 CL, 7d8 temporary hit points, and +14 Str. His total CL is now 20. -Lesser Restoration or bind Naberius to get rid of the Cha damage from Dark Speech. Use Expel Vestige to rebind Balam, if he bound Naberius. -Persistent Righteous Might (Extended) -Magic Vestment (Extended via Lesser Rod) on armor -Greater Magic Weapon on his guisarme (Extended) -Superior Resistance on himself (Extended) -Heroes Feast (Extended) -Shield Other (on familiar)(Extended via MM Rod) -CL 19 for the next two days. On even days: -Death Knell on something (CL 20) -Magic Vestment (Extended via Lesser MM Rod) on shield (lasts 2 days) -Persistent Righteous Wrath of the Faithful (extended) -Superior Resistance on someone else (extended) -Persistent Divine Power (extended) -Greater Magic Weapon on someone else's weapon (extended) -Heroes Feast (Extended) -Shield Other (on another ally)(extended via rod) -Cast all the other shorter duration buffs, and activate Evil's Blessing (Cha to saves) and the 1xday ability of Tenebrous (immediate teleport 40 feet once per round for 8 rounds) right before the fight. Bound Vestiges (Binding check is 1d20+16 vs the vestige DC): Balam Bind DC 25, Sign: hollow, guttural voice, Influence: causes you to distrust clerics and curse and spit if you enter a(n) (un)holy place, Granted Abilities: reroll 1/5 attack, save, skill; 2d6 cold gaze (will negates); Prescience (+1/4lvls insight to Ref, AC, and Initiative); Weapon Finesse Tenebrous (dead divine part of Orcus)(DC21, always in shadow; can't act first in combat): Deeper Darkness (centered on him, can change radius at will in increments of 10'), See in Darkness (as devil), Touch of the Void (+1d8 cold damage to melee attacks), Rebuke Undead 1/5 rnds (as EBL), Vessel of Emptiness 1xday (as Flicker shadow mystery, similiar to Greater Blink: can teleport 5'/2EBLs as an immediate action each round for the 1 rnd/EBL duration) Progression: 1 Battle Sorcerer 1 Toughness (retrained to Imp Binding at ECL2), Chain Spell (flaw1), Precocious Apprentice (flaw2)(retrained to Still Spell at ECL 5), Silent Spell (human) 2 Binder 1 (Improved Binding) 3 Anima Mage 1 Spell Focus: Evil 6 Ur-Priest 1 Practiced Spellcaster: Ur-Priest 9 AM4 Domain Spontaneity (retrained from craft staff) 11 Contemplative1 12 SwBE1 Mother Cyst
#28 ashyl Feb 23, 2009 12:49:00	I strongly believe that your guy is gonna wipe them all out. ^^
#29 phaedrusxy Feb 23, 2009 13:03:15	lol For this, I'd retool him as Binder1/Sorc1/Anima Mage 10/Ur-Priest 2/Contemplative 1/Heirophant 5, with the first three levels of Anima Mage adding to Sorcerer, and the rest adding to Ur-Priest. This is taking a very liberal approach to the adaptation section for Anima Mage. He also uses pretty stinky cheese to get into Anima Mage that fast (Precocious Apprentice + retrain a feat to Improved Binding at 2nd level). If you take only Spell Power from Heirophant, his caster level will be obscene at 20th level after Consumptive Field (at least 35 without trying hard). With the Legacy Item which prevents him from being flat-footed, combined with the Anima Mage's 10th level ability, he could cast a CL 33 Dictum or Word of Chaos as an immediate action even while flat-footed. And that's just his opener. ;)
#30 flawless_p Feb 24, 2009 3:05:18	Ok so I realize that having that extra feat is nice so heres what I have planned so far... Any good? 6 Fighter/4 Paladin of Tyranny/10 Blackguard Str 20 Str Dex 18 Dex Con 20 Con Int 18 Int Wis 18 Wis Cha 19 Cha FEATS Feat 1(1rst Level): Cleave Human Racial Feat: Combat Expertise Fighter Bonus Feat 1 (1rst Level): Improved Trip Fighter Bonus Feat 2 (2nd Level): Power Attack Feat 2 (3rd Level): Knock-Down Fighter Bouns Feat 3 (4th Level): Weapon Focus(Scythe) Feat 3 (6th Level): Improved Sunder Fighter Bouns Feat 4: ????? Feat 4 (9th Level): Monkey Grip Feat 5 (12th Level): Weapon Specilization (Scythe) Feat 6 (15th Level): Greater Weapon Focus(Scythe) Feat 7 (18th Level): Greater Weapon Specilization (Scythe) ATTRIBUTE POINTS 4 Con 8 Str 12 Cha 16 Str 20 Con MAGIC ITEMS Impaling Knockback Blurstrike Metalline Large Scythe Calling Nimble Mithril Full Plate of Greater Healing and Quickness Belt of Battle Boots of Temporal Acceleration Gloves of Strength +6 Amulet of Health +4 Constitution Cloak of Battle Weapon 2d6+Str & 1/2 Armor AC Bonus +8 Max Dex Bonus +4 Armor Check Penalty -2 Twice Per day produce 3d8+15 points of healing +5 to movement speed
#31 jameswilliamogle Feb 24, 2009 7:23:07	No. Its not. You'll get run over using that build against your players. Read PhaerdrusXY's post above, and look up that build. Its killer.
#32 unundindur Feb 24, 2009 7:40:10	If you absolutely have too make a "pure" melee build, go with Frenzied berserker and kill one character at a time. Anyway, I suggest listening to the others ;)
#33 kabof_ Feb 24, 2009 7:43:22	No. No good. You need Fighter 8 for Greater Weapon Focus and Fighter 12 for Greater Weapon Specialization. Besides, a Fighter 6Pot 4/BG10 is a pretty weak option against your party.
#34 phaedrusxy Feb 24, 2009 11:23:14	If you are absolutely dead set on using a blackguard, check out this build: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=346.msg6531#msg6531 You can start out as a palladin 11, and convert 10 levels directly to blackguard, leaving you as an ex-palladin 1/blackguard 10 at level 11. This is a decent starting place for a 20th level build. The build in the link I posted uses a few house rules, but it should still be decent without them, and hell it is probably possible to do everything I was doing without the house rules, if you dig around in enough books. He could also certainly be improved, as I didn't have access to alot of books when I made him (alot of good stuff hadn't even been printed yet). If you go with a simple beatstick fighter/BG against an optimized party of 10 which includes spellcasters who know what they're doing, he'll be lucky to last 1 round. Even the build linked in this post would need to be tweaked to actually survive more than a round against even a decently optimized party. One thing I would absolutely add to him now is a Wand of Wraithstrike in a wand chamber on his weapon. I'd also exchange that fighter level for barbarian, allowing him to pounce on a charge. That would make him a lot more serious threat. You can make up for the lost feat by buying Iron Will via the Otyugh Hole. He might drop a couple of PCs before dying horribly in round 2, if you do those things ;)
#35 flawless_p Feb 24, 2009 13:05:34	So I liked the thing you guys had come up with about the Undead so I decided to include some undead followers in mix and im gonna level his spellcaster friend so we have a the Bg and a Wizard with an undead horde in tow. This allows for the Bg to run around knocking the hell out of the pc's while they are too busy fighting off the undead. While the Wizard hits some of the higher power people with debuffs and the such.