2nd If I cast many jaws it attacks targets I chose this round, what if I wanted to cast another spell or do other action next round, its a concentration spell so does it continue for 1 round after I stop concentrating on it> Do the jaws stop and sit there, or dissapear?
Could I on the 2nd round change targets of the jaws as a move action and then cast another spell or do other action?
oh and by the way who else thought this was a cool spell?
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http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#duration
Concentration
The spell lasts as long as you concentrate on it. Concentrating to maintain a spell is a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity. Anything that could break your concentration when casting a spell can also break your concentration while you’re maintaining one, causing the spell to end.
You can’t cast a spell while concentrating on another one. Sometimes a spell lasts for a short time after you cease concentrating.
I like what the spell does. But I generally loathe spells with duration=Concentration for that reason. It has to do something that really kicks ass that first round (worth letting go after a round or two, or insta-end encounters in a round or two), or I have to be done doing anything else that combat (or be out of spells) for me to consider using them.
EDIT : Save SH for something nice...like Maw of Chaos going at the same time :D and THEN wade in with Wraithestrike if you're a gish, preferably Arcane Striking with your most prevalent dump level of spells. Ooooooh can you Arcane Strike with a martial maneuver? AS + Adamantine Hurricane anyone, with REACH?
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Exactly. You can indeed use Sonorous Hum to maintain concentration.
However, using Sonorous Hum for a spell with a max 3 round duration seems kinda like a waste to me.
Instead, should probably consider either Extraordinary concentration (at lower levels) or swift concentration (at higher levels) to maintain the concentration while you do other stuff. You can't cast, but you can activate spell trigger items.
And yes, the spell is cool. Force is also always nice because it works on pretty much everything. Much better vs single foes though.
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what about the vs spellcaster, does half the damage go against constipation?
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But...
what about the vs spellcaster, does half the damage go against constipation?
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We'll assume that meant concentration-- for that, I would probably say no personally. Ongoing damage is likely doing damage "between" rounds because it's continous. Many Jaws is actually something you direct each round, which makes me think they're essentially just biting the opponent in an attack. They may be in the air around it, but it isn't something where just standing in it does damage.
oh - and if you stop concentrating - the spell is over. Spells that last another round (or more) after you stop concentrating say so specifically under duration.
the victim of this spell would be forced to make another reflex save and half the damage from last rounds many jaws attack will be added to the DC of this rounds concentration ck, yes?
2nd its a concentration spell so does it continue for 1 round after I stop concentrating on it> Do the jaws stop and sit there, or dissapear?
Each round would be a new Concentration check with that round o damage setting that round DC.
Concentration spells require a standard action each round to "maintain" concentration.
Or the skill trick to make it a swift action if you don't feel like using another spell/are a gish :P
Which sadly is debated. Is it for 1 round only? Or for the duration of the spell you use it with?
Each round would be a new Concentration check with that round o damage setting that round DC.
Just repeating what was already said here: Manyjaws is not ongoing damage, and as such you do not force any concentration checks upon enemy casters.
Each round on your action each pair of jaws automatically hits its target and deals 1d6 points of damage, or half that amount with a succesful reflex save.
It is absolutely not continous damage. The jaws attack every round on your action. No more "continous" than a fighter repeatedly stabbing with his pointy stick.
oh - and if you stop concentrating - the spell is over. Spells that last another round (or more) after you stop concentrating say so specifically under duration.
ALSO: the spell ENDS AFTER 3 ROUNDS!
Not really related, but here's a silly idea I hada few months ago using Manyjaws... http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=3081.0
Ohhh....very creepy
You don't mind if my skin crawls away... ;)
ALSO: the spell ENDS AFTER 3 ROUNDS!
Which makes it, being a 3rd level spell, a prime candidate for use with a lesser rod of extend. 6 rounds of gnashing biting force-jaws, great for taking out mooks while the Big Dumb Fighter hammers away on the BBEG? (Or vice-versa, for that matter.)
Which makes it, being a 3rd level spell, a prime candidate for use with a lesser rod of extend. 6 rounds of gnashing biting force-jaws, great for taking out mooks while the Big Dumb Fighter hammers away on the BBEG? (Or vice-versa, for that matter.)
Good call.
Which makes it, being a 3rd level spell, a prime candidate for use with a lesser rod of extend. 6 rounds of gnashing biting force-jaws, great for taking out mooks while the Big Dumb Fighter hammers away on the BBEG? (Or vice-versa, for that matter.)
Unfortunately, this doesn't work due to extend not being applicable to spells with a duration of concentration.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#extendSpell
You could also, if you're willing to use a 4th level spell, just use Vortex of Teeth. --ShriekingDrake
Vortex of Teeth is nice for very large groups of minor enemies, but 3d8 damage doesn't quite measure up to the 10d6 that Many Jaws does at higher levels.
Using Many Jaws with a lesser rod of extend is one of my favorite tricks for my current wizard. If I'm resorting to direct damage on a single enemy it's one of the best damage spells I have.
Just repeating what was already said here: Manyjaws is not ongoing damage, and as such you do not force any concentration checks upon enemy casters.
You are going to have to articulate your theory on how Manyjaws dealing automatic damage is different from Acid Arrow which also deals automatic damage (continuous damage.)
In other words, Manyjaws requires concentration checks each round.
Using Many Jaws with a lesser rod of extend
As has been pointed out, this is not a valid combo.
You are going to have to articulate your theory on how Manyjaws dealing automatic damage is different from Acid Arrow which also deals automatic damage (continuous damage.)
In other words, Manyjaws requires concentration checks each round.
Manyjaws
Each round on your action each pair of jaws automatically hits its target and deals 1d6 points of damage, or half that amount with a succesful reflex save.
I hope it's more clear now.
You are going to have to articulate your theory on how Manyjaws dealing automatic damage is different from Acid Arrow which also deals automatic damage (continuous damage..
After hitting a target with Melf's, they continue to take damage each round automatically.
With Manyjaws - each round on your turn you can choose to have them attack the same target again, or choose to have them attack a different target.
If you can understand why shooting the same target with magic missiles for 3 rounds in a row isn't continous damage - then, apply the same logic to Manyjaws.
I hope it's more clear now.
Clear as mud. By this I mean your quote isn't proof of whether or not the 2nd and 3rd rounds should be considered continuous damage.
If you wish to go the route of "it takes an action from me to do the damage", then they need to make the initial damage save (instead of the continuous damage save.)
If you can understand why shooting the same target with magic missiles for 3 rounds in a row isn't continous damage - then, apply the same logic to Manyjaws.
That logic is fine, but it doesn't speak to my point. Either you are dealing targeted damage each round or you are dealing continuous damage each round. Both cases require a different Concentration check.
That logic is fine, but it doesn't speak to my point. Either you are dealing targeted damage each round or you are dealing continuous damage each round. Both cases require a different Concentration check.
It is targeted damage. The spell description is pretty clear. Targeted damage will only require a concentration check if it occurs at the same time as casting, as per a readied action (which you could do)
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Manyjaws is a great spell, Disintegrate damage from a 3rd level slot?!? Nice for Spellwarp Sniper, too.
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Vortex of Teeth is nice for very large groups of minor enemies, but 3d8 damage doesn't quite measure up to the 10d6 that Many Jaws does at higher levels.
Vortex of Teeth is my favorite spell for mixing with Bracers of the Entangling blast. It halves the damage but adds back +4 (which makes average damage only 1 or 2 less, IIRC) and entangles everyone that takes damage. Since it's force, it even entangles incorporeal/ethereal creatures.
Entangle is fun.
Vortex of Teeth is my favorite spell for mixing with Bracers of the Entangling blast. It halves the damage but adds back +4 (which makes average damage only 1 or 2 less, IIRC) and entangles everyone that takes damage. Since it's force, it even entangles incorporeal/ethereal creatures.
Entangle is fun.
Agreed, double threat beats straight blast even if damage is reduced.
Entangle is a very easy status to create (at least with corporeal creatures) and is therefore often underrated - it is more than just hampered movement, there is also a -2 to hit (-4 with ranged weapons or with weapon finesse), -2 AC, -2 Ref save, -2 to all kinds of annoying skills like tumble and escape artist...yep, a solid debuffing.
That said, 1d3 rounds of entanglement isn't so hot (which is my main beef with the bracers).
1. Casting any spell requires a concentration check (not a very big deal, but anything that has a chance to screw casters is tops in my book)
2. Cannot Run or Charge which doesn't seem like a lot until you're playing with someone that throws a lot of uber-charger's at you.
The bracers are only 2,000gp, 3,000gp if you add them to another 'better' set of bracers. Which I think is more than worth it. However, you should note, the entangle/dot from the bracers starts every time a target takes damage from the spell, so if they make the mistake of hanging out for more than one round, or try and move through it, it resets every time they take damage. I can see a DM house-ruling otherwise, but even the 1d3 rounds is (potentially) nice for only 3k.
where do I find these bracers?
Magic item Compendium.
1. Casting any spell requires a concentration check (not a very big deal, but anything that has a chance to screw casters is tops in my book)
I agree at low level that's a decent debuff. Unfortunately, it doesn't level so by mid-level it's no good.
2. Cannot Run or Charge which doesn't seem like a lot until you're playing with someone that throws a lot of uber-charger's at you.
In my defence, I did mention hampered movement. Man, if I had a dime for every way my wizard can screw up a charger...
The bracers are only 2,000gp, 3,000gp if you add them to another 'better' set of bracers. Which I think is more than worth it.
One problem. Where is the rule that says the cheaper one can be the one with the +50% cost? I've searched up and down the MIC for it. The DMG says you add 50% to the more expensive piece.
One problem. Where is the rule that says the cheaper one can be the one with the +50% cost? I've searched up and down the MIC for it. The DMG says you add 50% to the more expensive piece.
Page 233 of the MIC. Followed up shortly thereafter by the rules for adding common effects to magic items which removes the cost entirely for those. (In the right slot anyway.)
I agree at low level that's a decent debuff. Unfortunately, it doesn't level so by mid-level it's no good.
I know it's anecdotal, and it may be contributed by a mistake in the way my group reads the rules, but in a very recent game, I used this exact trick to screw a 15th level cleric out of all of his actions (except the one he took the first round) for an entire 7 round combat.
Admittedly, 1-the DM was rolling very poorly the whole night (never rolled higher than a 10 when it mattered), and 2-we've always read that the concentration check from entangle is in addition to any others from condition/damage/etc you have to roll so he had to roll two or more times every round; so your mileage may vary. For me, though, the experience of hosing a caster this way isn't unique, even at mid to high levels, so I can't help but defend the 'trick'.
One problem. Where is the rule that says the cheaper one can be the one with the +50% cost? I've searched up and down the MIC for it. The DMG says you add 50% to the more expensive piece.
It's in the Errata for the DMG, IIRC, as well as where Balthanon mentioned in the MIC.