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Mark of cania cheese, is it real?

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#1
Defenderz
May 06, 2008 4:55:11 I did my search, could not find anything, so I brought it here..
Mark of Cania (FCII)(pg:84) gives you cumulative bonus of +1 on attacks, damage, checks and saves for each time you either miss an attack or someone's does not fail the save for an ability (any kind)
the bonus does not disappear until you successfully hits or a target fails a save.
so this means you could actually walk around with +200 to hit and damage at really low lvl, with +200 initiative, +200 all skills (checks right?), just get a friend that can only fail some ability of yours with a -1, and give him that feat that 1 does not mean fail.
Since it gives +1 on damage rolls, it could work for spells, still it is too awesome to be true :/~.

(what qualifies as a devil, i guess i put the carriage in front of my horses :/ )
#2
davethemagicweasel
May 06, 2008 5:33:56 You mean Steadfast Determination?

Yeah it would work. Problem is, the first attack roll you make when you hit combat will have bonus, hit, and then the feat's benefits disappear.

So it's not that great imo.
#3
Defenderz
May 06, 2008 5:38:44
You mean Steadfast Determination?

Yeah it would work. Problem is, the first attack roll you make when you hit combat will have bonus, hit, and then the feat's benefits disappear.

So it's not that great imo.

if you consider ad infinitum bonus is not that bad, let's say you go to a town make your hide checks, diplomacy checks, whatever checks... heck, this could be used for sacrificial checks, spell craft checks for epic spellcasting.. the possibilities are endless, this could be used in combat as well, some bbg could be killed by a sucker punch, but that's just to small for what really can be done, you could get perfect hide , perfect spot and listen... you could just be an epic 1st lvl.
#4
jameswilliamogle
May 06, 2008 8:00:12
if you consider ad infinitum bonus is not that bad, let's say you go to a town make your hide checks, diplomacy checks, whatever checks... heck, this could be used for sacrificial checks, spell craft checks for epic spellcasting.. the possibilities are endless, this could be used in combat as well, some bbg could be killed by a sucker punch, but that's just to small for what really can be done, you could get perfect hide , perfect spot and listen... you could just be an epic 1st lvl.

Sure, if you have a deity around, just keep casting spells on them that they won't fail. Otherwise, you are going to statistically never get higher than a +10 on a check (+19 if you really risk it). Still pretty nice, though.
#5
hogarth
May 06, 2008 9:08:27 Note that there would be a certain amount of difficulty getting the feat at level 1 -- you either need to be (a) a devil or (b) get DM permission (using a Faustian pact or whatever).
#6
Defenderz
May 06, 2008 15:14:15
Sure, if you have a deity around, just keep casting spells on them that they won't fail. Otherwise, you are going to statistically never get higher than a +10 on a check (+19 if you really risk it). Still pretty nice, though.

with steadfast determination and some ability with very low dc you can keep doing it at a fellow pc with no risk losing your bonus.

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#1 Defenderz May 06, 2008 4:55:11	I did my search, could not find anything, so I brought it here.. Mark of Cania (FCII)(pg:84) gives you cumulative bonus of +1 on attacks, damage, checks and saves for each time you either miss an attack or someone's does not fail the save for an ability (any kind) the bonus does not disappear until you successfully hits or a target fails a save. so this means you could actually walk around with +200 to hit and damage at really low lvl, with +200 initiative, +200 all skills (checks right?), just get a friend that can only fail some ability of yours with a -1, and give him that feat that 1 does not mean fail. Since it gives +1 on damage rolls, it could work for spells, still it is too awesome to be true :/~. (what qualifies as a devil, i guess i put the carriage in front of my horses :/ )
#2 davethemagicweasel May 06, 2008 5:33:56	You mean Steadfast Determination? Yeah it would work. Problem is, the first attack roll you make when you hit combat will have bonus, hit, and then the feat's benefits disappear. So it's not that great imo.
#3 Defenderz May 06, 2008 5:38:44	You mean Steadfast Determination? Yeah it would work. Problem is, the first attack roll you make when you hit combat will have bonus, hit, and then the feat's benefits disappear. So it's not that great imo. if you consider ad infinitum bonus is not that bad, let's say you go to a town make your hide checks, diplomacy checks, whatever checks... heck, this could be used for sacrificial checks, spell craft checks for epic spellcasting.. the possibilities are endless, this could be used in combat as well, some bbg could be killed by a sucker punch, but that's just to small for what really can be done, you could get perfect hide , perfect spot and listen... you could just be an epic 1st lvl.
#4 jameswilliamogle May 06, 2008 8:00:12	if you consider ad infinitum bonus is not that bad, let's say you go to a town make your hide checks, diplomacy checks, whatever checks... heck, this could be used for sacrificial checks, spell craft checks for epic spellcasting.. the possibilities are endless, this could be used in combat as well, some bbg could be killed by a sucker punch, but that's just to small for what really can be done, you could get perfect hide , perfect spot and listen... you could just be an epic 1st lvl. Sure, if you have a deity around, just keep casting spells on them that they won't fail. Otherwise, you are going to statistically never get higher than a +10 on a check (+19 if you really risk it). Still pretty nice, though.
#5 hogarth May 06, 2008 9:08:27	Note that there would be a certain amount of difficulty getting the feat at level 1 -- you either need to be (a) a devil or (b) get DM permission (using a Faustian pact or whatever).
#6 Defenderz May 06, 2008 15:14:15	Sure, if you have a deity around, just keep casting spells on them that they won't fail. Otherwise, you are going to statistically never get higher than a +10 on a check (+19 if you really risk it). Still pretty nice, though. with steadfast determination and some ability with very low dc you can keep doing it at a fellow pc with no risk losing your bonus.