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#1
cole_caecus
May 06, 2008 18:59:04 I have a lvl 7 human druid5/master of many forms2 in a low magic game. there is no evocation, no necromancy and no conjuration. what are some good things i can do with him? i need some help...also, any good ideas for healing, as all healing is conjuration? alchemical items, and the like, so this is actually 2 posts, what are some good things with master of many forms, and also any good alchemical items and ingenious uses for alchemical items and healing.
#2
tdsaw111
May 06, 2008 21:58:43 Wow. Seems you might be a bit boned there. At least you can abuse your wild shape for some extra healing. I believe there is a feat that lets you use Wild Shape 2 extra times a day. That will at least help you heal. Is Goodberry conjuration?
#3
bergtann
May 07, 2008 1:22:09 Assume supernatural ability feat? I am sure there are some supernatural abilities out there that heals.
#4
songnsilence
May 07, 2008 1:46:09 Get 2 more levels of Druid for lvl 4 spells -> Get Enhance Wildshape (SpC 82, Transmutation). Now all those nice (ex) special qualities like fast healing are available.
#5
brainpiercing
May 07, 2008 2:43:19 Never worry, the other most powerful school of magic is still there.

There's a fourth level spell Enhance Wildshape, which should be transmutation. Unfortunately you need more druid for that. Troll regen at level 9, here I come ( you can probably take a better shape the troll, already). So what you want to do is switch back to druid now until Druid7/Momf2. Then you might want to reach Fey Wildshape from Momf, since there are some Fey with nice extraordinary abilities. However, you could also just stick with Druid and be a main transmuter. Wildshape + Bite series (+Monk's belt or good wild armour) is the killer.

Now you just need as much fire and acid resistance as you can get.
#6
bergtann
May 07, 2008 4:04:05
Get 2 more levels of Druid for lvl 4 spells -> Get Enhance Wildshape (SpC 82, Transmutation). Now all those nice (ex) special qualities like fast healing are available.

MoMF 7 gets Ex abilities anyway. Delaying it for fast gratification may hurt the build in the long run.
#7
vicen_korel
May 07, 2008 10:01:32 Do you have to go druid? A wild shape variant ranger from UA might be a better starting point for MoMF, then you could also pick up the Warshaper prestige class at level 6 and go Ranger 5/ MoMF 10/ Warshaper 5. Though I would probably drop some of the MoMF and grab 2 levels of Nature's warrior for Ranger 5/ MoMF 8/ Warshaper 5/ Nature's Warrior 2. That should be a BAB of 18 Nice saves and some better skill choices too. Able Learner in the mix would be a good thing.
#8
brainpiercing
May 07, 2008 11:02:15 But MOMF abilities until then suck. You lose casting, and only get the effect of a spell. Druid18/MOMF2 or Druid 16/MOMF4 is enough MOMF.
#9
bergtann
May 07, 2008 14:57:56
But MOMF abilities until then suck. You lose casting, and only get the effect of a spell. Druid18/MOMF2 or Druid 16/MOMF4 is enough MOMF.

Almost everything is weaker than Druid 20. So I just assumed he had a reason for the MoMF. 4 levels of Warshaper also gives fast healing if it is in the cards anyway. Again, it delays the best Momf a lot tho.
#10
brainpiercing
May 07, 2008 16:46:17
Almost everything is weaker than Druid 20. So I just assumed he had a reason for the MoMF. 4 levels of Warshaper also gives fast healing if it is in the cards anyway. Again, it delays the best Momf a lot tho.

Shapechange so puts the Momf to shame. So really, as soon as you get Giant Wildshape or Fey wildshape it's time to quit. YES, dragon wildshape is nice, but once you've got it, you could have had Shapechange. Almost.

Immunity to Transmutation isn't bad, but hey, you sacrifice SO MUCH.

I've played a Momf. It was like all the time I was waiting for Lvl 12 and Ex-wildshape to arrive, not really satisfied with my mediocre spellcasting and still sub-standard melee. (This was basically during core+complete time, maybe 7-9 books, total. No dinosaurs.) Now that Enhance Wildshape is there, all you really want is Regeneration. Not fast-healing. You want regeneration because there are enough ways to become immune to non-lethal damage.

And with the new options for wildshape for a normal druid, why even bother with Momf? Momf needs a kicker to get it back up to speed. (Essentially Momf is good for a Divine Minion.)
#11
vicen_korel
May 08, 2008 10:31:08 That's why I asked about the variant ranger, if you are doing druid there is more to do than just change shape, if you do ranger and shapechanging is your thing then you at least get the full BAB to open things up with earilier plus the skills and such making you more a skill monkey/face/spy character. Depends on what the OP wants to do. With 3 of 9 schools of magic cut out though I don't see too much point sticking in the magic class, especially when you lose out on the druid's major school. Druids while not duds in the other schools just don't really match up well as spellcasters without conjuration IMO.

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#1 cole_caecus May 06, 2008 18:59:04	I have a lvl 7 human druid5/master of many forms2 in a low magic game. there is no evocation, no necromancy and no conjuration. what are some good things i can do with him? i need some help...also, any good ideas for healing, as all healing is conjuration? alchemical items, and the like, so this is actually 2 posts, what are some good things with master of many forms, and also any good alchemical items and ingenious uses for alchemical items and healing.
#2 tdsaw111 May 06, 2008 21:58:43	Wow. Seems you might be a bit boned there. At least you can abuse your wild shape for some extra healing. I believe there is a feat that lets you use Wild Shape 2 extra times a day. That will at least help you heal. Is Goodberry conjuration?
#3 bergtann May 07, 2008 1:22:09	Assume supernatural ability feat? I am sure there are some supernatural abilities out there that heals.
#4 songnsilence May 07, 2008 1:46:09	Get 2 more levels of Druid for lvl 4 spells -> Get Enhance Wildshape (SpC 82, Transmutation). Now all those nice (ex) special qualities like fast healing are available.
#5 brainpiercing May 07, 2008 2:43:19	Never worry, the other most powerful school of magic is still there. There's a fourth level spell Enhance Wildshape, which should be transmutation. Unfortunately you need more druid for that. Troll regen at level 9, here I come ( you can probably take a better shape the troll, already). So what you want to do is switch back to druid now until Druid7/Momf2. Then you might want to reach Fey Wildshape from Momf, since there are some Fey with nice extraordinary abilities. However, you could also just stick with Druid and be a main transmuter. Wildshape + Bite series (+Monk's belt or good wild armour) is the killer. Now you just need as much fire and acid resistance as you can get.
#6 bergtann May 07, 2008 4:04:05	Get 2 more levels of Druid for lvl 4 spells -> Get Enhance Wildshape (SpC 82, Transmutation). Now all those nice (ex) special qualities like fast healing are available. MoMF 7 gets Ex abilities anyway. Delaying it for fast gratification may hurt the build in the long run.
#7 vicen_korel May 07, 2008 10:01:32	Do you have to go druid? A wild shape variant ranger from UA might be a better starting point for MoMF, then you could also pick up the Warshaper prestige class at level 6 and go Ranger 5/ MoMF 10/ Warshaper 5. Though I would probably drop some of the MoMF and grab 2 levels of Nature's warrior for Ranger 5/ MoMF 8/ Warshaper 5/ Nature's Warrior 2. That should be a BAB of 18 Nice saves and some better skill choices too. Able Learner in the mix would be a good thing.
#8 brainpiercing May 07, 2008 11:02:15	But MOMF abilities until then suck. You lose casting, and only get the effect of a spell. Druid18/MOMF2 or Druid 16/MOMF4 is enough MOMF.
#9 bergtann May 07, 2008 14:57:56	But MOMF abilities until then suck. You lose casting, and only get the effect of a spell. Druid18/MOMF2 or Druid 16/MOMF4 is enough MOMF. Almost everything is weaker than Druid 20. So I just assumed he had a reason for the MoMF. 4 levels of Warshaper also gives fast healing if it is in the cards anyway. Again, it delays the best Momf a lot tho.
#10 brainpiercing May 07, 2008 16:46:17	Almost everything is weaker than Druid 20. So I just assumed he had a reason for the MoMF. 4 levels of Warshaper also gives fast healing if it is in the cards anyway. Again, it delays the best Momf a lot tho. Shapechange so puts the Momf to shame. So really, as soon as you get Giant Wildshape or Fey wildshape it's time to quit. YES, dragon wildshape is nice, but once you've got it, you could have had Shapechange. Almost. Immunity to Transmutation isn't bad, but hey, you sacrifice SO MUCH. I've played a Momf. It was like all the time I was waiting for Lvl 12 and Ex-wildshape to arrive, not really satisfied with my mediocre spellcasting and still sub-standard melee. (This was basically during core+complete time, maybe 7-9 books, total. No dinosaurs.) Now that Enhance Wildshape is there, all you really want is Regeneration. Not fast-healing. You want regeneration because there are enough ways to become immune to non-lethal damage. And with the new options for wildshape for a normal druid, why even bother with Momf? Momf needs a kicker to get it back up to speed. (Essentially Momf is good for a Divine Minion.)
#11 vicen_korel May 08, 2008 10:31:08	That's why I asked about the variant ranger, if you are doing druid there is more to do than just change shape, if you do ranger and shapechanging is your thing then you at least get the full BAB to open things up with earilier plus the skills and such making you more a skill monkey/face/spy character. Depends on what the OP wants to do. With 3 of 9 schools of magic cut out though I don't see too much point sticking in the magic class, especially when you lose out on the druid's major school. Druids while not duds in the other schools just don't really match up well as spellcasters without conjuration IMO.