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#1 zombiegleemax May 27, 2007 2:15:15	While working on a thread for The Symbiotic Creature Template Symbiotic Creature Template – Handbook I got frustrated with trying to figure out which templates would work for this. And so the Master Template List is born... I have tried to compile a list of all the templates available for use on creatures and player characters. Level Adjustments (LA) and types are listed with the most up to date errata if possible. LA listed as n/a is either not available or listed as as LA: –, which generally means not avaialable as a player character option. Format The formatting is the Name of the template (Book & page number) the LA – the requirements to apply the template and what the creature type changes to(TC. Additional Template Information Instructions on how to Apply a template - Here is a handy link to a WoTC article on how to go through applying a template. Mulhorandi Divine Minion -- online Template that allows access to 11th lvl druid wildshape for only LA+1. Vampire Lord Template - This one bears special mention as there is no level adjustment. You have to meet a 10 character level requirement after you become a vampire but the benefits are very nice. I will include it in the list below under the LA +0. Template Racial Classes (thanks Sharp_Claw) - Here is a handy link to an article on templates as a racial class and a note below on how to (ab)use it. Sharp_Claw;13026759 wrote:
#2 zombiegleemax May 27, 2007 2:15:47	-2 Incarnate Construct (SS 120) LA –2 (minimum 0) – Any construct creature with a generally humanoid form – two arms, two legs, one head TC: Humanoid if medium-size or smaller, or Giant if it is Large or larger
#3 zombiegleemax May 27, 2007 2:16:52	Books that I have gone through that have templates Book of Exalted Deeds Book of Vile Darkness Champions of Ruin City of the Spider Queen Cityscape Complete Arcane Complete Psionic Deities and Demigods Draconomicon Drow of the Underdark Dungeon Master Guide 2 Dungeonscape Eberron Campaign Setting Epic Level Handbook Expanded Psionics Handbook Expedition to the Demonweb Pits Explorer's Handbook Faiths and Pantheons Fiend Folio Five Nations Forge of War, The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting Ghostwalk Campaing Setting Heroes of Horror Libris Mortis Lord of the Iron Fortress Lords of Madness Lost Empires of Faerun Magic of Faerun Manual of the Planes Monster Manual Monster Manual 2 Monster Manual 3 Monster Manual 4 Monster Manual 5 Monsters of Faerun Oriental Adventures Planar Handbook Races of the Dragon Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil Sandstorm Savage Species Secrets of Sarlona Secrets of Xendrik Serpent Kingdoms Standing Stone, The Stormwrack Tome of Magic Unapproachable East Underdark
#4 soltares May 27, 2007 2:45:56	I'm particularly interested in Templates that change a creatures Type, so yeah, this looks like a great list idea. My current fixation is Clerics commanding other critters via the Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Plant, Spider, Slime, Scalykind, Thirst, Warforged, etc. domains, so Templates that can make a creature into an Earth creature (Mineral Warrior, Earth Creature), or a Contruct (Half-Golem, Raggamoffyn, Ice Beast, Dustform Creature), or a Plant (Yellow Musk Zombie), are always useful for my mad tinkerings.
#5 nebo May 27, 2007 2:58:25	You have half-troll listed as +2 LA. It is actually +4.
#6 zombiegleemax May 27, 2007 4:23:08	You have half-troll listed as +2 LA. It is actually +4. Thanks. Updated
#7 ancalimohtar May 27, 2007 5:37:28	The Shade template was updated in Races of Faerun or Lords of Darkness or something. It's +4.
#8 tarbrush May 27, 2007 6:06:15	Have you considered sorting the templates by LA, or base type, rather than by book? From my own point of view, I'm generally looking for a template for a specific creature. Which book it comes from is a secondary concern. Anyway, just a suggestion.
#9 zombiegleemax May 27, 2007 13:49:37	The Shade template was updated in Races of Faerun or Lords of Darkness or something. It's +4. Thanks. Will update it once I get to those books. Have you considered sorting the templates by LA, or base type, rather than by book? From my own point of view, I'm generally looking for a template for a specific creature. Which book it comes from is a secondary concern. I had thought about sorting it by LA but I usually look at what book first to see if it would comply with the game I am in. Maybe I will make a second list sorted by LA. Sorting by base type would be too complicated as there are too many varying possibilities.
#10 zombiegleemax Jun 19, 2007 1:47:35	Added Books: Complete Arcane Complete Psionic Draconomicon Dungeonscape Eberron Campaign Setting Secrets of Sarlona Secrets of Xen’drik I am also working on a list by LA. That is coming soon.
#11 jamven_the_fighter Jun 19, 2007 2:17:59	You have the Epic Level Handbook Pseudonatural as +4 LA. I don't recall it having a level adjustment, but the Challenge Rating adjustment is +10 to +16, depending on HD. I very much doubt that the LA on a +16 CR template would be +4. :|.
#12 zombiegleemax Jun 19, 2007 2:28:23	You have the Epic Level Handbook Pseudonatural as +4 LA. Thanks good catch. Dont know where I got that number. There doesnt seem to be a LA for the one out of the ELH. Even the Complete Arcane update doesnt state one. Updated.
#13 zombiegleemax Jun 25, 2007 18:09:30	Added Book: Underdark Added: List Sorted by LA Check it out and let me know what you think.
#14 zombiegleemax Jul 04, 2007 20:13:44	Added: Monster Manual Monster Manual 3 Monster Manual 4 Five Nations Expanded Psionics Handbook Lost Empires of Faerun
#15 gaffer Jul 04, 2007 21:06:40	Great resource! Surreal needs to get this in his handy links.
#16 zombiegleemax Jul 04, 2007 22:17:14	Great resource! Surreal needs to get this in his handy links. It is. Search for template on his list and it will come up.
#17 gaffer Jul 04, 2007 22:18:00	It is. Search for template on his list and it will come up. Oh.. fine then. Are you going to include Dragon material also?
#18 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2007 2:28:03	Oh.. fine then. Are you going to include Dragon material also? No I will not include Dragon material, mainly because I don't have access to any of it. Also, Dragon material is considered to be in a grey area when it comes to most peoples playing so I will not be persuing it. Sorry. Added: Swordwraith updated and linked to online resource
#19 aleolus Jul 06, 2007 2:44:18	Well, there's also one listed in Races of the Dragon, which is interesting. I can't recall what they're called, but they start off as one of the base races, then go through this ritual which transforms them into a draconic version of their original self. They get scales, fangs, claws, everything, but they still have the "frame" of the original body. "Sharp eyes can determine...their race of origin."
#20 chrae77 Jul 06, 2007 3:54:53	What do you mean by "LA n/a"? Why is it not applicable?
#21 ancalimohtar Jul 06, 2007 6:56:21	Because it doesn't give a level adjustment in the text? :whatsthis
#22 zombiegleemax Jul 10, 2007 17:13:31	What do you mean by "LA n/a"? Why is it not applicable? LA n/a means that there was no level adjustment listed in the text or that the Level Adjustment was listed as LA:- If I read it right, the rules about LA means that a LA: n/a means it cant be used by PCs. But to not include those in the Master Template List would be leaving out way too many of them. This list is supposed to be a Master list encompassing all templates from all books. This is supposed to be a resource for both sides (PC's and DM's). Feel free to alert me to anything I have missed.
#23 zombiegleemax Jul 10, 2007 17:19:03	Well, there's also one listed in Races of the Dragon, which is interesting. I can't recall what they're called, but they start off as one of the base races, then go through this ritual which transforms them into a draconic version of their original self. They get scales, fangs, claws, everything, but they still have the "frame" of the original body. "Sharp eyes can determine...their race of origin." I cant seem to find anything in the Races of Dragon to which you were referring. Anyone else know anything about this?
#24 tsabrak Jul 10, 2007 17:22:26	I think he's refering to the race presented in there...it's not really a template. Also, I think you missed the "Dark" template, for +1 LA (or at least it's not in the +1 LA part!)
#25 zombiegleemax Jul 10, 2007 18:26:05	I think he's refering to the race presented in there...it's not really a template. Also, I think you missed the "Dark" template, for +1 LA (or at least it's not in the +1 LA part!) Ah good catch yup ill get to updating it. Its in Tome of Magic. Will have to get the book from a friend and put it on the list. Thanks. Added Books: Stormwrack Champions of Ruin City of the Spider Queen Deities and Demigods Drow of the Underdark Expedition to the Demonweb Pits
#26 surreal Jul 10, 2007 18:36:04	Half-Fey is +2, not +4.
#27 zombiegleemax Jul 10, 2007 18:39:04	Well, there's also one listed in Races of the Dragon, which is interesting. I can't recall what they're called, but they start off as one of the base races, then go through this ritual which transforms them into a draconic version of their original self. They get scales, fangs, claws, everything, but they still have the "frame" of the original body. "Sharp eyes can determine...their race of origin." LOL... I found it. Its called ... wait for it... Draconic Creature. hehe. Anyway its on page 74 in the middle of nowhere. I will update it later but thanks for the catch Aleolus.
#28 zombiegleemax Jul 10, 2007 18:42:32	Half-Fey is +2, not +4. Good Catch Surreal. Yeah was looking at the stat block and not at the actual LA. Thanks. Updated.
#29 sharp_claw Jul 10, 2007 18:46:46	Just as a resource to the topic, you might want to include this link. It's a neat resource for "decreasing" the LA of some templates.
#30 zombiegleemax Jul 10, 2007 18:54:55	Just as a resource to the topic, you might want to include this link. It's a neat resource for "decreasing" the LA of some templates. Thanks Sharp. Added this link and another to the original post as additional template information. Keep the help coming everyone.
#31 surreal Jul 10, 2007 18:55:40	Libris Mortis Evolved Undead (LM 99) LA +1 - any intelligent undead, no type change Ghost Brute (LM 101) LA +5 - any animal, magical beast or plant with charisma below 8, type change to Undead, gain Augmented and Incorporeal subtypes Gravetouched Ghoul (LM 103) LA +2 - any corporeal abberation, fey, giant, humanoid or monstrous humanoid, with Int and Cha greater than 3, type changes to undead, gains augmented subtype Half-Vampire (LM 106) LA +2 - any humanoid or monstrous humanoid, type does not change Hooded Pupil (LM 108) LA +4 - any corporeal giant or humanoid, type does not change Mummified Creature (LM 110) LA +4 - any corporeal giant, humanoid or monstrous humanoid, type change to Undead and gain Augmented subtype Necromental (LM 112) LA n/a - any elemental, type change to Undead and gain Augmented subtype Necropolitan (LM 114) LA +0 - any humanoid or monstrous humanoid, type change to Undead and gain Augmented subtype Revived Fossil (LM 118) LA n/a - any corporeal creature with a skeletal system, type change to Undead, retains all subtypes except alignment and subtypes that indicate genus, gain Augmented subtype Swarm-Shifter (LM 123) LA n/a - any intelligent corporeal undead, type does not change, gains Shapechanger subtype, also has swarm subtype when in swarm form Umbral Creature (LM 128) LA n/a - any abberation, dragon, giant, magical beast or monstrous humanoid, with Cha greater than 8, type change to Undead, gain Incorporeal and Augmented subtypes
#32 sharp_claw Jul 10, 2007 18:59:24	Just a note about the link I posted: the beauty of those classes (or perhaps, the way to abuse them), is to remember that you don't have to take all the levels of a class. Or any, for that matter. For example, you can be an Aasimar, complete w/the Outsider subtype and +2 Cha, for no LA.
#33 surreal Jul 10, 2007 19:07:50	Lords of Madness Elder Eidolon (LoM 146) LA n/a - any abberation, animal, dragon, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, plant or vermin, type change to Construct, loses all subtypes, does not gain Augmented subtype Half-Farspawn (LoM 151) LA +4 - any corporeal aberration, animal, dragon, elemental, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, ooze, plant or vermin, type change to Outsider Mindflayer, Alhoon (LoM 157) LA +4 - lich template applied to Mindflayer, type change to Undead, Augmented Abberation Pseudonatural Creature (LoM 161) LA n/a - any corporeal creature, type change to Outsider Shadow Creature (LoM 167) LA +2 - any corporeal abberation, animal, dragon, fey, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, plant, undead or vermin; animals or vermin become magical beasts, all other types unchanged
#34 zombiegleemax Jul 11, 2007 21:53:36	Added Books: Libris Mortis Explorer's Handbook Forge of War, The Heroes of Horror Lord of the Iron Fortress Planar Handbook Races of the Dragon Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil Sandstorm Serpent Kingdoms Standing Stone, The Tome of Magic
#35 surreal Jul 11, 2007 21:57:37	Check post 33, I gave you all of Lords of Madness.
#36 zombiegleemax Jul 11, 2007 22:16:09	Thanks Surreal, forgot to refresh page before I posted. Added Books: Lords of Madness Added: Additional information about Vampire lord template and link thanks to Surreal's handy links.
#37 zombiegleemax Jul 11, 2007 23:53:30	Added link to Mineral Warrior online reference.
#38 zombiegleemax Jul 12, 2007 18:42:30	Added Mulhorandi Divine Minion Template with online link.
#39 zombiegleemax Jul 14, 2007 17:20:37	Added Mob Template from the DMG 2
#40 zombiegleemax Jul 14, 2007 18:03:12	What are the most effective +1LA templates for a PC?
#41 zombiegleemax Jul 15, 2007 3:23:29	What are the most effective +1LA templates for a PC? Check the 2nd post on page 1. Mineral Warrior is usually considered to be the best +1 LA template. Anything that is not labeled LA n/a is for a PC.
#42 zombiegleemax Aug 03, 2007 21:34:34	Added: Monster Manual 5 Note: Anyone see a LA for the Xorvintaal Dragon? I didn't see one in the entry but maybe I missed it.
#43 Balthanon Aug 04, 2007 6:36:16	You may want to double check the list and only keep the most recent printing of a template on it-- for instance, Axiomatic is listed under Lord of the Iron Fortress, however, it was reprinted in the planar handbook.
#44 zombiegleemax Aug 04, 2007 11:25:37	You may want to double check the list and only keep the most recent printing of a template on it-- for instance, Axiomatic is listed under Lord of the Iron Fortress, however, it was reprinted in the planar handbook. The reason I keep all listings up is so that people who have games where they can only use specific books can use this thread to help them. Also by including all versions of a template, this thread is all incompassing, and people can see the progression of the template. Such as if you play a 3.0 game (not likely anymore) but just in case. Or if there is ever a debate over a template people can find all instances of it printed. That was my reason behind leaving duplicates of a template in both lists.
#45 ikeren Dec 10, 2007 2:34:41	Book of Exalted Deeds, page 158, has the Aleax Template, but more importantly, it has the "Slain your Aleax" stats: I know it wouldn't get past many DM's, but LA +0 for +2 wis, +1 init, +2 AC, and SR 10+HD? Solid stuff.
#46 eamon Dec 22, 2007 10:37:06	Where do you read that Vampire Lord has no level adjustment? It has a CR adjustment of +3, but simply no LA named. I'd presume that means it's not meant for PC's.
#47 technodemon Jan 09, 2008 13:29:18	The Shade is +4 LA updated in Races of Faerun
#48 keepu Jan 09, 2008 17:08:44	Added: Monster Manual 5 Note: Anyone see a LA for the Xorvintaal Dragon? I didn't see one in the entry but maybe I missed it. Well, it's described in the flavor text as power neutral, trading spellcasting for other abilities. I'd have to call that RAI LA 0, with now RAW LA in sight. And it just begs in my mind for dragon-wrought kobold abuse.
#49 eamon Jan 14, 2008 3:31:00	Well, it's described in the flavor text as power neutral, trading spellcasting for other abilities. I'd have to call that RAI LA 0, with now RAW LA in sight. And it just begs in my mind for dragon-wrought kobold abuse. I'm not familiar with the dragon-wrought kobolds. How would this combination work? Xorvintaal is only applicable to young adult or older true dragons, not just any creature with the dragon type - does this invalidate the loophole?
#50 eamon Jan 14, 2008 3:35:51	Vampire Lord Template - This one bears special mention as there is no level adjustment. You have to meet a 10 character level requirement after you become a vampire but the benefits are very nice. I will include it in the list below under the LA +0. I still think this is in error, the linked page makes no mention of LA+0, but rather makes no mention of LA at all - implying that it's not a playable template (i.e. LA infinite ;) ).
#51 surreal Jan 14, 2008 14:01:18	I believe the Vampire Lord template was also written back in the 3.0 era, when LA did not exist.
#52 eamon Jan 21, 2008 3:35:12	I believe the Vampire Lord template was also written back in the 3.0 era, when LA did not exist. Looks at 3.0 Monster Manual II: "Some of the creatures in this book are capable of having levels in a class, and when they do, they are significantly more powerful than the races described in the Player’s Handbook. This difference in power is expressed as the creature’s level adjustment (a positive number). This number and the creature’s Hit Dice are added to the creature’s class level to determine its effective character level, or ECL." Looks like 3.0 knew level adjustments, alright .
#53 legdiwena Feb 06, 2008 16:25:04	LOL... I found it. Its called ... wait for it... Draconic Creature. hehe. Anyway its on page 74 in the middle of nowhere. I will update it later but thanks for the catch Aleolus. I think he is referring to the dragonborn of bahamut, not draconic creature.
#54 iliyan Feb 07, 2008 5:17:04	chosen of bane isnt LA +0... its a 3.0 template it has a CR +4
#55 jradd777 Mar 10, 2008 16:28:23	You don't have either Broodguard or Tainted ones. The first is LA +0 and the second is LA +1. Savage Species pg. 141.
#56 Nox_Noctis Mar 25, 2008 20:33:45	The Level Adjustment for Quorbred creatures is actually tucked away on page 153. It's a +2 template. The level adjustment is under the Advanced Quorbred header.
#57 m-bark May 20, 2008 1:29:45	I just found this list and I was curious about something... ...is the Vampire Lord really LA+0?!?
#58 surreal May 20, 2008 2:23:02	No... I'm pretty sure it was written way back in 3.0 before LA's were considered. That said, sucking up the LA+8 for the vampire is pretty harsh to begin with. Even if it were LA+0, being 8hd behind is a really tough call to make.
#59 TifRhal May 22, 2008 21:11:35	The necropolitan should be under a lvl requirment since you lose a lvl in the ritual and 1000 exp to kick. If that takes you to 0 exp or less you are utterly destroyed and can never be raised or revived. So in truth this can not betaken unless your a lvl 3 char with say 1 or more exp point into 3rd lvl if taken befor your are totaly screwed.
#60 Zekarra Jun 19, 2008 9:12:44	On the LA's you need to look at Hit Die (HD) and LA/CR. Quick example, this is not a template, Minotaur as a PC +2 LA but has 6 HD. 6+2=8 Therefore when you want to take a level, say fighter, you must be in progression of going from level 8 to level 9. Take a look at some of the Templates I'm not sure which ones but I do think a few give you additional HD. I know some also increase your HD. This should help in figuring the total LA, that and listing the LA + any HD would give a better feel for the playability of the Template. Just a thought.
#61 nanshork Jun 19, 2008 16:03:41	On the LA's you need to look at Hit Die (HD) and LA/CR. Quick example, this is not a template, Minotaur as a PC +2 LA but has 6 HD. 6+2=8 Therefore when you want to take a level, say fighter, you must be in progression of going from level 8 to level 9. Take a look at some of the Templates I'm not sure which ones but I do think a few give you additional HD. I know some also increase your HD. This should help in figuring the total LA, that and listing the LA + any HD would give a better feel for the playability of the Template. Just a thought. AFAIK, no templates give additional HD. At least, I have never seen one. You say you know some increase your HD, can you give an example?
#62 Endarire Jun 19, 2008 17:22:23	I'm saddened that there are so few LA0 or LA1 races or templates that boost INT. Deep Imiskari ("Dragon" 3.0) gives +2 INT, -2 DEX, and some other stuff for 1 LA. Primordial (Secrets of Xen'drik) half-giant (Expanded Psionics Handbook) gives +4 INT and CHA for 1 LA.
#63 Balthanon Jun 19, 2008 18:26:39	AFAIK, no templates give additional HD. At least, I have never seen one. You say you know some increase your HD, can you give an example? Multiheaded out of Savage Species-- each extra head gave an additional 2 HD.
#64 surreal Jun 19, 2008 19:34:04	AFAIK, no templates give additional HD. At least, I have never seen one. You say you know some increase your HD, can you give an example? I believe the 3.0 Dragon Disciple did that.
#65 nanshork Jun 19, 2008 19:46:28	So nothing that was printed since the 3.5 PHB came out then. :P
#66 Zekarra Jun 20, 2008 8:51:01	So nothing that was printed since the 3.5 PHB came out then. :P I never looked through all the Templates but what I said was I think there are a few that give some (ie +2HD). And a few that increase your HD (ie d8 to d10) Dragon Disciple PrC from TaB 3.0 increase from HD (ie d8 to d10, max d12) new Dragon Disciple has base d12 from DMG 3.5 -- Sorry Surreal Half Dragon does the same (ie d8 to d10, max d12) Multiheaded out of Savage Species-- each extra head gave an additional 2 HD. Thanks for that one. Yes these are all 3.0, but as stated above this is a compiled list of all templates 3.0 to 3.X So that anyone looking for a specific Template can find it and where it's located. But having them listed by correct LA's and HD's adjustments help people choose an appropriate one for themselves. And I agree that there are not enough +0 or +1 Templates for PC's.
#67 nanshork Jun 20, 2008 17:56:57	And a few that increase your HD (ie d8 to d10) Dragon Disciple PrC from TaB 3.0 increase from HD (ie d8 to d10, max d12) new Dragon Disciple has base d12 from DMG 3.5 -- Sorry Surreal Half Dragon does the same (ie d8 to d10, max d12) Thanks for that one. You do know that that kind of HD adjustment has no affect on the ECL, and it only affects racial HD right? Also, I misunderstood what you meant when you said increase your HD. I thought you were talking about adding again, not increasing the die itself.
#68 legdiwena Jun 21, 2008 9:03:03	Unless you become undead, that affects all HD and future HD (including from class levels).
#69 Zekarra Jun 21, 2008 9:14:48	You do know that that kind of HD adjustment has no affect on the ECL, and it only affects racial HD right? Also, I misunderstood what you meant when you said increase your HD. I thought you were talking about adding again, not increasing the die itself. Yes, but the multi headed template does give you an additional +2 HD/additional head. Though this template is 3.0, it is still usable in 3.5 as it was not reprinted or errata'ed (?sp). Makes a good template more for DM's than for PC's, but still have you ever fought a 2 headed blink dog or a 3 headed minotaur? :D Still a good Template.
#70 legdiwena Jun 21, 2008 9:36:21	Gets really scary when they break out their superior two weapon fighting routine.
#71 nanshork Jun 21, 2008 15:04:12	Unless you become undead, that affects all HD and future HD (including from class levels). No, because templates that say they increase your Hit Dice by one step specify racial hit dice. Yes, but the multi headed template does give you an additional +2 HD/additional head. Though this template is 3.0, it is still usable in 3.5 as it was not reprinted or errata'ed (?sp). Makes a good template more for DM's than for PC's, but still have you ever fought a 2headed blink dog or a 3 headed minotaur? :D till a good Template. I'll concede that point.
#72 legdiwena Jun 23, 2008 11:28:59	Undead don't increase by one step, they change all current and future HD to d12.
#73 zog_jakome Oct 05, 2008 18:54:01	just wanted to point out that the yuan-ti from savage species is not included.
#74 NiteCyper Oct 30, 2008 5:01:58	I think this thread has forgotten the 'Vivacious' template. Templates/races that give incorporeality.
#75 insane_ailurophile Oct 30, 2008 19:07:56	Undead don't increase by one step, they change all current and future HD to d12. [USELESS PEDANTRY] Most do. For example, the lich and ghost templates say "increase all current and future," the skeleton and zombie templates say "double the number of Hit Dice left, and raise them to d12s," and the necropolitan template says "increase all." I cannot think of any templates that do not say it in some form, however. [/USELESS PEDANTRY] Note that non-templates do not say this. For example, the sample mummy lord with ten levels in cleric has 8d12 plus 10d8 Hit Dice.
#76 reis Oct 30, 2008 20:08:50	Looks at 3.0 Monster Manual II: "Some of the creatures in this book are capable of having levels in a class, and when they do, they are significantly more powerful than the races described in the Player’s Handbook. This difference in power is expressed as the creature’s level adjustment (a positive number). This number and the creature’s Hit Dice are added to the creature’s class level to determine its effective character level, or ECL." Looks like 3.0 knew level adjustments, alright . part of the reason 3.5 was printed was to address inconsistencies from the early 3.0 books compared to later ones. Monster Manual II (or BoED, etc) is a perfect example of this transitional period when 3.0 was on the way out and 3.5 was coming up.
#77 Endarire Oct 30, 2008 22:58:48	Dragonborn (LA0 - Races of the Dragon 8) requires the subject be non-evil and have at least 3 INT and changes the subject to a Humanoid (dragonblood). The subject is treated as a dragon as well as a member of her original type.
#78 NiteCyper Jan 08, 2009 16:52:01	Proto-creature template from Bestiary of Krynn. LA +0.
#79 phaedrusxy Jan 29, 2009 21:18:49	Dragonborn (LA0 - Races of the Dragon 8) requires the subject be non-evil and have at least 3 INT and changes the subject to a Humanoid (dragonblood). The subject is treated as a dragon as well as a member of her original type. It doesn't change your type. It just gives you the dragonblood subtype, and it is poorly written.
#80 carnivore Jan 30, 2009 5:47:16	for link :D
#81 halfslime May 20, 2009 8:18:53	Are there any templates, aside from Titanic, that can increase a creature's size category?
#82 user5127 May 20, 2009 8:53:03	Demilich (ELH 175) LA n/a – Any Lich Type Changes: Vermin Type should remain undead. Even the example demilich remains undead. and the creation section doesn't mention it's type being changed. Also, there is an LA for Demilich. IIRC it's +8. The very last section under creating a demilich discusses demilich characters. though they don't mention an LA. Monsters by Challenge rating on page 156: Demilich is CR 29 and ECL 33. subtract 21 level wizard, +4 for lich, and you are left with a +8 for DL. CR 23 Paragon, mind flayer. ECL 26. minus 8HD, 7LA (base race). leaves you with +11 LA. I remember that the guys on the epic boards disagreed with this LA quite a lot. though I can't remember if they recommended that it be higher or lower. They did say that +8 for DL was alright. You're losing 12 HD and 12 caster levels to do it as a player. so it's a balanced trade when you take into account epic level play. 26 (cr) Worm that walks 27 (ecl) 23HD = +4LA Type actually becomes Ooze as per the creation rules. Why the sample creature is listed as aberration I have no idea. 21 (cr) Pseudonatural troll 24 (ecl) 6hd, +5la (troll) = +13 LA Anyways yea. AFAIK, no templates give additional HD. At least, I have never seen one. You say you know some increase your HD, can you give an example? Example would be Titanic from the MM2. It specifically states that the template changes size to gargantuan, and increases the creatures HD to 25.
#83 Optimator Sep 18, 2009 17:00:10	Glad to see this thread survived the transfer.
#84 HeirRaktus Oct 22, 2011 8:09:51	Gravewight is listed as LA+0 on this list, has none listed in its containing book, but it is pretty close to the LA+4 from other publications.