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Max out Charisma

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#1
LordPhrofet
Nov 24, 2009 20:36:49 I am trying to find ways to max out the charisma stat via feats and magic items. What are the best ways besides base +6 cloak of charisma and +5 tome of leadership? Those only get you a 32 at lvl 16 using all 4 ability points. If there is a thread already dedicated to it if you could simply paste it I would apreciate it....and yes I did look for it beforehand with no real results.
#2
gorfnad_the_shiznit
Nov 25, 2009 2:14:50 Unseelie Fey template (+0LA) from Dragon Magazine 304 would get you +2 cha. Hellbred Spirit Aspect (+0LA) from Fiendish Codex II: Tyrants of the Nine Hells for a starting race would get another +2 cha.
#3
ancientdragon
Nov 25, 2009 9:26:44 I would suggest the pink and green magical stone from master's manual for a cheap +2. Don't know if they stack.
#4
godkyra
Nov 25, 2009 11:56:23 Putting your age up as Venerable will get you a +3 on Int, Wis and Cha. Howevever it comes with a -6 to all the physical scores
#5
staticx278
Nov 25, 2009 13:24:50 Human paragon gets you a +2 to any stat at 3rd level..
#6
LordPhrofet
Nov 25, 2009 13:55:25 Looking to do this without a bunch of templates if posible... looking for more magic items (custom or in a book) that boost the stat.
#7
staticx278
Nov 25, 2009 14:26:48 Oops...

Well, i think you're kinda stuck with tome and a +6 cha item. Mostly because other magic items tend to give the enhancement bonuses that don't stack...

I haven't seen many pre-epic feats that raise stats. What purpose are you trying to raise your cha for? I mean you can find items that give bonuses to certain cha-based checks, or increase spell potential, things like that.
#8
ancientdragon
Nov 25, 2009 16:54:55 Or you could get a Disciple of the Void as teammate, then polymoprh in something with *very high* strenght, and get your teammate to let you use str in place of cha for the check you need...
Ok, this is a bit machiavellican, but something like that could work with the right mix of illumian sigils.
#9
tshern
Nov 25, 2009 17:50:59
I would suggest the pink and green magical stone from master's manual for a cheap +2. Don't know if they stack.

They don't, if you mean the ioun stones. They don't even stack with the normal +6 item.
#10
houkama
Nov 26, 2009 3:27:17
The best suggestion is rack up some UMD and some Item Alteration schemas (or a wand if your GM rules that's acceptable, I would, but since its an infusion some GM's are jerks). Then slap on as many +6 CHA items as you can fit and hit em with Item alteration bonuses to make them stackable. It's expensive and temporary. If you can swing a metamagic spell trigger grip and the extend spell you can add some life to them.

If you want permanent items that stack then you have to shell out more dough. There is also the Tattoo monk trick, but I don't think I need to tell you about that. (If you don't know it just read the tattoo monk from CW).
#11
LordPhrofet
Nov 26, 2009 9:36:15 Houkama....Those are amazing ideas. How would you make that permanent? and static this if for a bard who is trying to make her DC saves actually work at higher lvls with a DM who favors the big baddie type of encounters who always seem to have high will and fortitude saves (which means most bard spells are useless if they badie can make the save on a roll of a 10 with ease). Thanks everyone for your help.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 LordPhrofet Nov 24, 2009 20:36:49	I am trying to find ways to max out the charisma stat via feats and magic items. What are the best ways besides base +6 cloak of charisma and +5 tome of leadership? Those only get you a 32 at lvl 16 using all 4 ability points. If there is a thread already dedicated to it if you could simply paste it I would apreciate it....and yes I did look for it beforehand with no real results.
#2 gorfnad_the_shiznit Nov 25, 2009 2:14:50	Unseelie Fey template (+0LA) from Dragon Magazine 304 would get you +2 cha. Hellbred Spirit Aspect (+0LA) from Fiendish Codex II: Tyrants of the Nine Hells for a starting race would get another +2 cha.
#3 ancientdragon Nov 25, 2009 9:26:44	I would suggest the pink and green magical stone from master's manual for a cheap +2. Don't know if they stack.
#4 godkyra Nov 25, 2009 11:56:23	Putting your age up as Venerable will get you a +3 on Int, Wis and Cha. Howevever it comes with a -6 to all the physical scores
#5 staticx278 Nov 25, 2009 13:24:50	Human paragon gets you a +2 to any stat at 3rd level..
#6 LordPhrofet Nov 25, 2009 13:55:25	Looking to do this without a bunch of templates if posible... looking for more magic items (custom or in a book) that boost the stat.
#7 staticx278 Nov 25, 2009 14:26:48	Oops... Well, i think you're kinda stuck with tome and a +6 cha item. Mostly because other magic items tend to give the enhancement bonuses that don't stack... I haven't seen many pre-epic feats that raise stats. What purpose are you trying to raise your cha for? I mean you can find items that give bonuses to certain cha-based checks, or increase spell potential, things like that.
#8 ancientdragon Nov 25, 2009 16:54:55	Or you could get a Disciple of the Void as teammate, then polymoprh in something with very high strenght, and get your teammate to let you use str in place of cha for the check you need... Ok, this is a bit machiavellican, but something like that could work with the right mix of illumian sigils.
#9 tshern Nov 25, 2009 17:50:59	I would suggest the pink and green magical stone from master's manual for a cheap +2. Don't know if they stack. They don't, if you mean the ioun stones. They don't even stack with the normal +6 item.
#10 houkama Nov 26, 2009 3:27:17	The best suggestion is rack up some UMD and some Item Alteration schemas (or a wand if your GM rules that's acceptable, I would, but since its an infusion some GM's are jerks). Then slap on as many +6 CHA items as you can fit and hit em with Item alteration bonuses to make them stackable. It's expensive and temporary. If you can swing a metamagic spell trigger grip and the extend spell you can add some life to them. If you want permanent items that stack then you have to shell out more dough. There is also the Tattoo monk trick, but I don't think I need to tell you about that. (If you don't know it just read the tattoo monk from CW).
#11 LordPhrofet Nov 26, 2009 9:36:15	Houkama....Those are amazing ideas. How would you make that permanent? and static this if for a bard who is trying to make her DC saves actually work at higher lvls with a DM who favors the big baddie type of encounters who always seem to have high will and fortitude saves (which means most bard spells are useless if they badie can make the save on a roll of a 10 with ease). Thanks everyone for your help.