Maximize Spell [Metamagic]
All variable, numeric effects of a spell modified by this feat are maximized. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables. A maximized spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell’s actual level.
An empowered, maximized spell gains the separate benefits of each feat: the maximum result plus one-half the normally rolled result.
Now, the only variable numeric effect of "Wreaking Touch" is the 1d6 damage it does, sneak attack damage is not part of the spell itself.
I'll admit it is a bit unclear where the text says "take sneak attack damage from this spell", tho.
Thanks for the reply.
Just Max Shivering Touch and you can do all the Sneak Attacks you want.:P
We don't mention that one... path of evil...
Just Max Shivering Touch and you can do all the Sneak Attacks you want.:P
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Lose all Dex=Paralysed=Non-stop Coup-de-gracing Sneak Attacks.
Lose all Dex=Paralysed=Non-stop Coup-de-gracing Sneak Attacks.
=Any sane DM beating you in the face for using this spell ;)
=Any sane DM beating you in the face for using this spell ;)
The spell isn't that bad, if you don't use metamagics with it (except for Reach Spell). It becomes horrid when you combine it with metamagics, with or without metamagic reducing features.
The spell isn't that bad, if you don't use metamagics with it (except for Reach Spell). It becomes horrid when you combine it with metamagics, with or without metamagic reducing features.
True. But what caster doesn't use metamagic? Odds are if you're using a spell with no save/no SR, and can drop a dragon in 1 hit, you're probably using it to drop a dragon in one hit, which means metamagic... Most DMs will either ban it or use it against the PCs, the latter leading to more TPKs then necessary, imo.
True. But what caster doesn't use metamagic? Odds are if you're using a spell with no save/no SR, and can drop a dragon in 1 hit, you're probably using it to drop a dragon in one hit, which means metamagic... Most DMs will either ban it or use it against the PCs, the latter leading to more TPKs then necessary, imo.
What I was saying: use the spell as is, maybe w/ reach spell. Don't abuse the abusable spells, which also includes Polymorph.
True. But what caster doesn't use metamagic? Odds are if you're using a spell with no save/no SR, and can drop a dragon in 1 hit, you're probably using it to drop a dragon in one hit, which means metamagic... Most DMs will either ban it or use it against the PCs, the latter leading to more TPKs then necessary, imo.
Unless it has been changed, Shivering touch has SR. At least in my Frostburn it does.
@ Tshern: You're right. My bad. I was going off memory. I'll make sure to double check my sources next time
=Any sane DM beating you in the face for using this spell ;)
I house rule that spell as a penalty and not damage to Dex.
I house rule that spell as a penalty and not damage to Dex.
Really? I buy three full wands of it (all at CL 20+), load them into a Rod of Many Wands, and then Metamagic Spell Trigger the hell out of that.
Goodbye Dexterity!
Why is that? Well, the spell creates some shuriken that do fire damage (3d6). However, it also changes all sneak attack damage done with those fire shuriken into fire damage. Hence, the spell effect includes fire damage from sneak attack.
And that could be maximised. Well, in theory. I don't see that it could ever fly in any real game.
There is of course also the spell "Eyes of the Hunter" from PHBII, where you could argue that by gaining Sneak Attack dice the spell effect is what is doing the damage - and hence that it could be maximised.
Probably the closest you can get to maximising Sneak Attack damage is with the spell "Fire Shuriken" from SpC.
Why is that? Well, the spell creates some shuriken that do fire damage (3d6). However, it also changes all sneak attack damage done with those fire shuriken into fire damage. Hence, the spell effect includes fire damage from sneak attack.
And that could be maximised. Well, in theory. I don't see that it could ever fly in any real game.
No, the sneak attack is not an effect of the spell. In fact, it's not even special. Sneak Attack dice always turn into the relevant energy type damage when used with an energy spell.
There is of course also the spell "Eyes of the Hunter" from PHBII, where you could argue that by gaining Sneak Attack dice the spell effect is what is doing the damage - and hence that it could be maximised.
No again, you gain the sneak attack ability. It may only be 1 degree of separation, but that makes it not valid for maximize.
No, the sneak attack is not an effect of the spell. In fact, it's not even special. Sneak Attack dice always turn into the relevant energy type damage when used with an energy spell.
No again, you gain the sneak attack ability. It may only be 1 degree of separation, but that makes it not valid for maximize.
Makes sense. The Spells don't say "Effect: Sneak attack damage", hence they can't be maximised.
Hmm, I wonder if you could find some way to use it with shurikens?
Whats the DC on enchanted weapons, I forget.
Is there a way to have a continuous shivering touch enchanted on your weapons?
I know you could have it continuously enchanted on yourself, but is it possible to have it on your weapon?
From this day forth, you will only ever meet undead. Or the Tarrasque.....
But going by standard enchanting GUIDELINES it is easily possible to do that.
Use-activated Shivering touch enchantment:
CL 5*3*2000gp
Er... just noticed it probably won't CHANNEL. But you could make it cast itself into a spell-storing weapon.
Really? I buy three full wands of it (all at CL 20+), load them into a Rod of Many Wands, and then Metamagic Spell Trigger the hell out of that.
Goodbye Dexterity!
Confused, What do you mean? You don't think the penalties stack do you?
Really? I buy three full wands of it (all at CL 20+), load them into a Rod of Many Wands, and then Metamagic Spell Trigger the hell out of that.
Goodbye Dexterity!
Penalties from the same source don't stack, so that won't be any more effective than a single Maximized casting.
The Shivering Touch spells specifically deal Dexterity Damage, NOT a Dexterity penalty. So no stacking problems with that line of spells, barring house rules.
Yes, but Sinfire's response to was to someone saying that they did, indeed, houserule it to a penalty so the 'gatling wand' wouldn't work.
Where does it explicitly say in the rules that ability damage stacks?
The stacking rules explicitly only apply to penalties and bonuses. Ability damage is neither: it's damage. It doesn't need to explicitly point this out, just like it doesn't need to say "things fall down if not supported". It's assumed, and game balance is not guaranteed if you ignore it.
Or would you argue that multiple Fireballs don't stack?
Where does it explicitly say in the rules that ability damage stacks?
All damage stacks, or you would find Longswords would never be able to do more than 8 damage to a monster no matter how many Knights wielding longswords were hacking away at it.