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#1 oli-gil May 09, 2008 17:29:13	Hey guys, I would like help in building a Cha based charater. Heres the status: Level 10 Wizards books only (no third party, or Dragon mag) Level adjustment and Templates acceptable. I want to maximize my cha as much as possible WITHOUT items. Only base stat. Any help would be apreciated in advance. Please and thank you.
#2 jesterzero May 09, 2008 17:32:29	Bookmark and save forever: X Stat to Y Bonus
#3 heffroncm May 09, 2008 17:47:54	I think he's more looking for the highest possible 'natural' Charisma, no items used, JesterZero. I'm not sure what races / templates are out there to grab you a higher Charisma. Off the top of my head with zero research, you have an Aasimar who's put his 2 freebies into it to get a 22. Without items, I'm really not sure how to get it higher.
#4 tshern May 09, 2008 17:50:04	Aging rules could be used too.
#5 heffroncm May 09, 2008 17:57:39	You know, I never think about those, because -6 con has never been worth +3 mental stats for me. But it could get you a 25. I'm sure there's a template or something that could add more, I'm looking into it.
#6 indeterminate May 09, 2008 17:57:46	You could do something like human paragon 3/something 2/chameleon 5 and that can get you to 26 Cha with the level bonuses. Edit: Whoops only 24, you don't get the +4 ability boon until chameleon 7. So a better way to do it would be human paragon 3/something 2/chameleon 4/dragon devotee 1. That'll get you to 26. Of course if you add aging effects then that's 29.
#7 jesterzero May 09, 2008 18:08:05	I think he's more looking for the highest possible 'natural' Charisma, no items used, JesterZero. My mistake. Well, once he gets a high CHA he'll have a handy link of things he can do with it. :D
#8 jameswilliamogle May 09, 2008 19:01:16	Venerable Phrenic Draconic Star Elf? You could get 29 this way @ 10th (before Cha boosting items). maybe a 35 w/ good planning of resources...
#9 rebel7284 May 09, 2008 21:13:57	+1 LA Half Giant +2 Str, +2 Con, -2 Dex +0 LA Primordial -4 str, -2 Con, +4 int, +4 cha +1 LA Fire-Souled +4 cha +2 LA Saint +2 Con, +2 wis, +4 Cha +1 LA Draconic +2 STR, +2 CON, +2 Cha +3 LA Radiant Creature +4 Dex, +6 Cha +1 LA Death-touched -2 Con +2 Wis +4 Cha So a venerable level 1 character with +9 LA with those templates would have +27 Cha, with an 18 in Cha that's 45 Cha. You're a level 1 character though. Also, a lot of that was copy pasted from crystalkeep without double checking the source. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of those are not applicable. Primordial Half-giant is a nice start though.
#10 jameswilliamogle May 09, 2008 21:19:46	Pretty sure some of those are dragon mag material, though... I dunno. It definitely is what the OP asked for, but its definitely not practical.
#11 rebel7284 May 09, 2008 21:21:55	Pretty sure some of those are dragon mag material, though... I dunno. It definitely is what the OP asked for, but its definitely not practical. Right, No dragon magazine... well that take out fire souled which is pretty great. Oh and on a more serious note: try a pixie. It might not have the greatest CHA possible, but the rest of the abilities are quite sexy.
#12 oli-gil May 09, 2008 22:28:27	These responses are great. I really apreciate all this information. Yes, our DM doesnt accept Dragon magazine for some reason >.< oh well. hehe
#13 orion959 May 09, 2008 23:29:48	And an FYI: the LA for the fire-souled template is an error. It actually is LA +3. Sorry, guys.