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#1
purpz
Apr 03, 2009 17:51:30 Ok, at level 8 I need a character with the highest fly speed possible. Here's the weird thing. It must use only mudane, racial, and extrodinary abilities (no magic, supernatural, or divine) and the maximum level adjustment is +1. GO! :D

(dont ask questions)
#2
psorowman
Apr 03, 2009 18:33:15 c'mon, not telling us? bah.

Anyways, there's a heritage feat that adds 30 ft i think...one sec...
yeah, its called air heritage and its from the planar handbook.
#3
keithio
Apr 03, 2009 18:37:31 Be a hulking hurler, throw things, invoke conservation of momentum to send yourself flying in the opposite direction.

You'd have to do a bit of math to figure out your speed, but I bet it'd be pretty darn good.
#4
tharivol266_dup
Apr 04, 2009 1:33:31 anthropomorphic eagle gets you 40'
#5
cru
Apr 04, 2009 15:39:42 Aasimar + Celestial Bloodline (feat) + Outsider Wings (feat) gains wings and fly speed equal to land speed. Requires 2 in all base saves. Use class levels/feats/traits to increase your land speed.

(Or Tiefling + Fiendish Bloodline + Outsider Wings)
#6
true_shinken
Apr 06, 2009 11:34:42 Speed of Thought adds +10ft to all forms of movement.
#7
hogarth
Apr 06, 2009 11:53:35 Step 1: Find a Tiny-sized PC race (jermlaine from MMII should work).
Step 2: Get a hold of a Small air elemental in a "mudane, racial, [or] extraodinary" way (e.g. Improved Familiar feat or Elemental Companion druid class feature should do it).
Step 3: Tie a wee gondola onto your elemental and you have a little zeppelin to fly around in (~~200'~~ 100' fly speed).

Note: An 8th level druid could get a Medium air elemental, so a Small-sized character should be able to fly around with one (allowing for weight).
#8
dr_rocktopus
Apr 06, 2009 12:25:41 You don't know what you've just done, hogarth.
#9
hogarth
Apr 06, 2009 12:44:43
You don't know what you've just done, hogarth.

What, I divulged the shocking secret that air elementals can fly pretty fast?

Unfortunately, I screwed up the speed -- air elementals only fly 100', not 200'. For a faster mount, you probably have to go with a dragon. An 8th level character should be able to get a very young white dragon as a dragon cohort; they can fly 150'.
#10
saxis
Apr 06, 2009 13:46:41 Along the same lines, a small sized Wiz/Sorc could possibly use the Dragon Familiar feat to get a Tiny, Wyrmling White dragon, cast Enlarge Person on it and Reduce Person on yourself. You should be able to ride it with a fly speed of 150ft.

Might as well go for White Dragonspawn Draconic Right of Passage Kobold Sorcerer for extra cheez.

Edit: You'd probably have to go the Kobold route to be a 7th level caster by 6th to meet the feat's prereqs.
#11
hogarth
Apr 06, 2009 15:23:12
Along the same lines, a small sized Wiz/Sorc could possibly use the Dragon Familiar feat to get a Tiny, Wyrmling White dragon, cast Enlarge Person on it and Reduce Person on yourself. You should be able to ride it with a fly speed of 150ft.

That doesn't meet the original poster's "no magic" criteria.
#12
carnivore
Apr 06, 2009 15:42:24 similar to cru's idea ..... try this:

Dragonborn Aasimar

Monk 7

2 flaws required:
Vulnerable
Murkey Eyed

Feats:
Celestial Bloodline (Flaw bonus)
Outsider Wings(Flaw bonus)... fly at Land Speed
1st lvl: Air Heritage(+30 flight speed)
3rd lvl: Improved Speed(+10 all modes of speed, +20 Flight speed)
6th lvl: open feat

Land Speed for this Monk = base 30 + 20 Monk +10 Imp Speed) = 60' speed

Flight Speed = Base 60 + 30 Air heritage +20 Imp Speed = 110' Flight

:D
#13
saxis
Apr 06, 2009 15:43:49
That doesn't meet the original poster's "no magic" criteria.

Technically, the fly speed is completely natural...
#14
carnivore
Apr 06, 2009 15:50:05 he is talking about the casting spells part

:D
#15
saxis
Apr 06, 2009 16:06:01 Just a tiny sized druid with a regular small eagle companion can ride him with 80' speed.
#16
psorowman
Apr 07, 2009 12:29:29
similar to cru's idea ..... try this:

Dragonborn Aasimar

Monk 7

2 flaws required:
Vulnerable
Murkey Eyed

Feats:
Celestial Bloodline (Flaw bonus)
Outsider Wings(Flaw bonus)... fly at Land Speed
1st lvl: Air Heritage(+30 flight speed)
3rd lvl: Improved Speed(+10 all modes of speed, +20 Flight speed)
6th lvl: open feat

Land Speed for this Monk = base 30 + 20 Monk +10 Imp Speed) = 60' speed

Flight Speed = Base 60 + 30 Air heritage +20 Imp Speed = 110' Flight

:D

There's a cleric domain (sky) that gives +5 to flight/glide speed
Or the dark template, for a +10 to all movement speeds= +20 to flight
#17
carnivore
Apr 07, 2009 14:43:33
There's a cleric domain (sky) that gives +5 to flight/glide speed
Or the dark template, for a +10 to all movement speeds= +20 to flight

good catch... but the problem is he wants max LA +1 ... and Aasimar dont have Cleric or Monk as Favored classes

Celerity... gives +10’ land movement when wearing up to Light Armor & carrying up to a Light Load.... for this Build, that would give it 120' Fly speed if you went with Monk 6/ Cleric 1... but then you get XP penalties

:D
#18
phaedrusxy
Apr 07, 2009 14:50:28 Then go Ex-monk 3/Ardent 1/Barbarian 1/Cleric 1 with the Ascetic Psion feat (or whatever it is called). You still have one level with, and you get two more +10 boosts. Add a second level of Ardent and Practiced Manifester, and you have full manifester level, with up to 4th level powers. Add Tashalatora, and you have full monk abilities, too. :D
#19
carnivore
Apr 07, 2009 15:03:19 now thats nice... but to avoid XP penalties, it would have to be:

Dragonborn Aasimar

Monk 3/ Barbarian 2/ Cloistered Cleric 2

Domains:
Celerity
Sky
Knowledge

2 flaws required:
Vulnerable
Murkey Eyed

Feats:
Celestial Bloodline (Flaw bonus)
Outsider Wings(Flaw bonus)... fly at Land Speed
1st lvl: Air Heritage(+30 flight speed)
3rd lvl: Improved Speed(+10 all modes of speed, +20 Flight speed)
6th lvl: open feat

Land Speed for this Monk = base 30 + 10 Monk +10 Imp Speed +10 Barbarian +10 Celerity Domain) = 70' speed

Flight Speed = Base 70 + 30 Air heritage +20 Imp Speed +5 Sky= 125' Flight

yes its doable... for the Open Feat... you could boost it further with:

Dash[General](CWar p97)
— You may increase your movement by 5’ as long as you are wearing no more than Light armor and are no more than Lightly Encumbered.

giving a Flight Speed of 130'... but i would rather take one of these two:
[indent]
Improved Flight[General] (CAdv p110)req: Ability to fly
Your maneuverability while flying improves one step (clumsy → poor → average → good → perfect).

Flyby Attack [General]Prerequisite: Fly speed.
Benefit: When flying, the creature can take a move action (including a dive) and another standard action at any point during the move. The creature cannot take a second move action during a round when it makes a flyby attack. Normal: Without this feat, the creature takes a standard action either before or after its move.[/indent]

:D
#20
phaedrusxy
Apr 07, 2009 15:22:09
now thats nice... but to avoid XP penalties, it would have to be:

:D

No it wouldn't. The Ascetic Psion feat (I don't think that's the name... it's also in Secrets of Sarlona) makes monk a favored class on top of your normal favored class (it can also be taken as a monk bonus feat). So the build I presented (Monk3/Cleric1/Barb1/Ardent2) has no XP penalties.

The Time mantle gives you another +10 feet speed from Ardent. You could also add Speed of Thought, if you have enough feats (you probably wont :P ). I'm not sure if all of those stack, but I know most of them do. The ardent one is unnamed, and barbarian increases your racial speed. Monk is enhancement, and Speed of Thought is insight. I'm not sure about the others you mentioned.
#21
carnivore
Apr 07, 2009 15:28:56
No it wouldn't. The Ascetic Psion feat (I don't think that's the name... it's also in Secrets of Sarlona) makes monk a favored class on top of your normal favored class. So the build I presented (Monk3/Cleric1/Barb1/Ardent2) has no XP penalties.

The Time mantle gives you another +10 feet speed from Ardent. You could also add Speed of Thought, if you have enough feats (you probably wont :P ). I'm not sure if all of those stack, but I know most of them do. The ardent one is unnamed, and barbarian increases your racial speed. Monk is enhancement. I'm not sure about the others.

Aasimar have Favored Class: Paladin...... Dragonborn adds Fighter... thus a Dragonborn Aasimar has Fav Class: Paladin, Fighter

so you will have XP penalties ...... if you could take the feats: Celestial Bloodline and Outsider Wings with Human or 1/2 elf (any race that has Fav Class Any) there would be no problems

:D
#22
phaedrusxy
Apr 07, 2009 15:30:19 Edit: Bah, you're right. It doesn't work. Monastic Training is the feat, and it does not actually add Monk as a favored class. Sorry about that. I swear I remember a feat that makes monk your favored class, though...
#23
carnivore
Apr 07, 2009 15:33:48
Ascetic Psion adds monk as a favored class. You ignore favored classes when calculating XP penalties, and everything else in my build is within 1 level. So it has no XP penalty.

im sorry... i dont have that book available right now... as far as i can remember it does this:

Ascetic Psion...............req:Narrow Mind....allows you to freely multiclass with Psion and Monk, also use Int to AC instead of Wis, and lets you re-Focus as a Standard action, as well as progresses unarmed Damage

but it does not give Ardent as an Additional Favored Class, nor Psion nor Monk

:D
#24
phaedrusxy
Apr 07, 2009 15:40:24 I edited after looking at it online... This one would work, but it adds another feat requirement.

Additional Favored Class

Type: General
Source: Unearthed Arcana

You are more adept at combining different talents than most members of your race.

Benefit: Choose a character class, such as ranger. The chosen class is treated as a favored class for the purpose of determining whether or not your character takes an experience point penalty for multiclassing.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new class.

Normal: Without this feat, if any class other than your race's favored class is two or more levels lower than your highest-level class, you take a -20% penalty to XP earned for each class that is not within one level of your highest-level class.
#25
carnivore
Apr 07, 2009 15:41:10
Edit: Bah, you're right. It doesn't work. Monastic Training is the feat, and it does not actually add Monk as a favored class. Sorry about that. I swear I remember a feat that makes monk your favored class, though...

i remember one also...but i cant find it right now.... i have been looking... there are some feats that ADD Cleric as a Favored Class... but they are Deity Specific... and that deity doesnt have the right domains

:D
#26
carnivore
Apr 07, 2009 15:43:16
I edited after looking at it online... This one would work, but it adds another feat requirement.

Additional Favored Class

Type: General
Source: Unearthed Arcana

You are more adept at combining different talents than most members of your race.

Benefit: Choose a character class, such as ranger. The chosen class is treated as a favored class for the purpose of determining whether or not your character takes an experience point penalty for multiclassing.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new class.

Normal: Without this feat, if any class other than your race's favored class is two or more levels lower than your highest-level class, you take a -20% penalty to XP earned for each class that is not within one level of your highest-level class.

i know i have seen that, but where is it in the SRD? ... link?

:D
#27
phaedrusxy
Apr 07, 2009 15:48:14
i know i have seen that, but where is it in the SRD? ... link?

:D

I can't find it in there, either. I found it on dandello.
#28
carnivore
Apr 07, 2009 15:51:29 got it

:D
#29
phaedrusxy
Apr 07, 2009 16:11:04 Ok, here we go. From the "Lists of Stuff":

Feathered Wings, fiendish graft, Fiend Folio: flight speed = 2x land speed.

So we can be human to dodge the XP penalty.

Monk 3/ Barbarian 1/ Cloistered Cleric 1/Ardent 2

Domains:
Celerity
Sky
Knowledge

2 flaws required:
Vulnerable
Murky Eyed

Feats:
Speed of Thought (Flaw bonus)
Dash (Flaw bonus)
1st lvl: Air Heritage(+30 flight speed)
Monk bonus 1: Monastic Training (Ardent)
3rd lvl: Improved Speed(+10 all modes of speed, +20 Flight speed)
6th lvl: Practiced Manifester (Ardent)

Land Speed = base 30 + 10 Monk +10 Imp Speed +10 Barbarian +10 Celerity Domain +10 Time Mantle +10 Speed of Thought + 5 Dash = 95' speed

Flight Speed = 190 + 30 Air heritage +20 Imp Speed +5 Sky= 245'
#30
dumah87
Apr 08, 2009 5:48:37 Can Heart of Air (Sor/Wiz 2 PHB 2 ) spell be useful?
it adds 10f tp your fly speed and lasts 1h/lvl !
#31
carnivore
Apr 08, 2009 5:50:27
Can Heart of Air (Sor/Wiz 2 PHB 2 ) spell be useful?
it adds 10f tp your fly speed and lasts 1h/lvl !

no.... notice:
Ok, at level 8 I need a character with the highest fly speed possible. Here's the weird thing. It must use only mudane, racial, and extrodinary abilities (no magic, supernatural, or divine) and the maximum level adjustment is +1. GO! :D

:D
#32
ekluag
Apr 08, 2009 6:21:09 What penalties does the graft possess? In terms of roleplaying, how so you get them so early? And Why the heck do youu want this? It is cool to outrace a great wyrm force dragon in a no magic race (assuming you can see it), but what can we use this for?
#33
hogarth
Apr 08, 2009 8:24:24
Ok, here we go. From the "Lists of Stuff":

Feathered Wings, fiendish graft, Fiend Folio: flight speed = 2x land speed.

So we can be human to dodge the XP penalty.

Monk 3/ Barbarian 1/ Cloistered Cleric 1/Ardent 2

I think you're slightly better off in terms of speed with a Catfolk (base 40' speed) and taking off one level of Ardent.

EDIT: One caveat, though -- psionic feats are (Su) abilities, so they don't meet the original poster's requirements.
#34
Senevri
Apr 08, 2009 9:47:05 Phaedrus probably topped this already, but white dragon Wyrmling has 3hd, 2 la and a base flight speed of 150ft.
#35
phaedrusxy
Apr 08, 2009 11:00:30
I think you're slightly better off in terms of speed with a Catfolk (base 40' speed) and taking off one level of Ardent.

EDIT: One caveat, though -- psionic feats are (Su) abilities, so they don't meet the original poster's requirements.

Eh, it only loses 10 feet off the land speed, then, which is regained by going with your suggestion of catfolk. You'd need to take Additional Favored Class (Monk) instead of Practiced Manifester: Ardent, and the character will be pretty useless overall, but it will have the same speed. I had actually left out the human bonus feat, so that's no problem.

I'm not sure if the Time Mantle ability is Su or not. It's not a feat.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 purpz Apr 03, 2009 17:51:30	Ok, at level 8 I need a character with the highest fly speed possible. Here's the weird thing. It must use only mudane, racial, and extrodinary abilities (no magic, supernatural, or divine) and the maximum level adjustment is +1. GO! :D (dont ask questions)
#2 psorowman Apr 03, 2009 18:33:15	c'mon, not telling us? bah. Anyways, there's a heritage feat that adds 30 ft i think...one sec... yeah, its called air heritage and its from the planar handbook.
#3 keithio Apr 03, 2009 18:37:31	Be a hulking hurler, throw things, invoke conservation of momentum to send yourself flying in the opposite direction. You'd have to do a bit of math to figure out your speed, but I bet it'd be pretty darn good.
#4 tharivol266_dup Apr 04, 2009 1:33:31	anthropomorphic eagle gets you 40'
#5 cru Apr 04, 2009 15:39:42	Aasimar + Celestial Bloodline (feat) + Outsider Wings (feat) gains wings and fly speed equal to land speed. Requires 2 in all base saves. Use class levels/feats/traits to increase your land speed. (Or Tiefling + Fiendish Bloodline + Outsider Wings)
#6 true_shinken Apr 06, 2009 11:34:42	Speed of Thought adds +10ft to all forms of movement.
#7 hogarth Apr 06, 2009 11:53:35	Step 1: Find a Tiny-sized PC race (jermlaine from MMII should work). Step 2: Get a hold of a Small air elemental in a "mudane, racial, [or] extraodinary" way (e.g. Improved Familiar feat or Elemental Companion druid class feature should do it). Step 3: Tie a wee gondola onto your elemental and you have a little zeppelin to fly around in (~~200'~~ 100' fly speed). Note: An 8th level druid could get a Medium air elemental, so a Small-sized character should be able to fly around with one (allowing for weight).
#8 dr_rocktopus Apr 06, 2009 12:25:41	You don't know what you've just done, hogarth.
#9 hogarth Apr 06, 2009 12:44:43	You don't know what you've just done, hogarth. What, I divulged the shocking secret that air elementals can fly pretty fast? Unfortunately, I screwed up the speed -- air elementals only fly 100', not 200'. For a faster mount, you probably have to go with a dragon. An 8th level character should be able to get a very young white dragon as a dragon cohort; they can fly 150'.
#10 saxis Apr 06, 2009 13:46:41	Along the same lines, a small sized Wiz/Sorc could possibly use the Dragon Familiar feat to get a Tiny, Wyrmling White dragon, cast Enlarge Person on it and Reduce Person on yourself. You should be able to ride it with a fly speed of 150ft. Might as well go for White Dragonspawn Draconic Right of Passage Kobold Sorcerer for extra cheez. Edit: You'd probably have to go the Kobold route to be a 7th level caster by 6th to meet the feat's prereqs.
#11 hogarth Apr 06, 2009 15:23:12	Along the same lines, a small sized Wiz/Sorc could possibly use the Dragon Familiar feat to get a Tiny, Wyrmling White dragon, cast Enlarge Person on it and Reduce Person on yourself. You should be able to ride it with a fly speed of 150ft. That doesn't meet the original poster's "no magic" criteria.
#12 carnivore Apr 06, 2009 15:42:24	similar to cru's idea ..... try this: Dragonborn Aasimar Monk 7 2 flaws required: Vulnerable Murkey Eyed Feats: Celestial Bloodline (Flaw bonus) Outsider Wings(Flaw bonus)... fly at Land Speed 1st lvl: Air Heritage(+30 flight speed) 3rd lvl: Improved Speed(+10 all modes of speed, +20 Flight speed) 6th lvl: open feat Land Speed for this Monk = base 30 + 20 Monk +10 Imp Speed) = 60' speed Flight Speed = Base 60 + 30 Air heritage +20 Imp Speed = 110' Flight :D
#13 saxis Apr 06, 2009 15:43:49	That doesn't meet the original poster's "no magic" criteria. Technically, the fly speed is completely natural...
#14 carnivore Apr 06, 2009 15:50:05	he is talking about the casting spells part :D
#15 saxis Apr 06, 2009 16:06:01	Just a tiny sized druid with a regular small eagle companion can ride him with 80' speed.
#16 psorowman Apr 07, 2009 12:29:29	similar to cru's idea ..... try this: Dragonborn Aasimar Monk 7 2 flaws required: Vulnerable Murkey Eyed Feats: Celestial Bloodline (Flaw bonus) Outsider Wings(Flaw bonus)... fly at Land Speed 1st lvl: Air Heritage(+30 flight speed) 3rd lvl: Improved Speed(+10 all modes of speed, +20 Flight speed) 6th lvl: open feat Land Speed for this Monk = base 30 + 20 Monk +10 Imp Speed) = 60' speed Flight Speed = Base 60 + 30 Air heritage +20 Imp Speed = 110' Flight :D There's a cleric domain (sky) that gives +5 to flight/glide speed Or the dark template, for a +10 to all movement speeds= +20 to flight
#17 carnivore Apr 07, 2009 14:43:33	There's a cleric domain (sky) that gives +5 to flight/glide speed Or the dark template, for a +10 to all movement speeds= +20 to flight good catch... but the problem is he wants max LA +1 ... and Aasimar dont have Cleric or Monk as Favored classes Celerity... gives +10’ land movement when wearing up to Light Armor & carrying up to a Light Load.... for this Build, that would give it 120' Fly speed if you went with Monk 6/ Cleric 1... but then you get XP penalties :D
#18 phaedrusxy Apr 07, 2009 14:50:28	Then go Ex-monk 3/Ardent 1/Barbarian 1/Cleric 1 with the Ascetic Psion feat (or whatever it is called). You still have one level with, and you get two more +10 boosts. Add a second level of Ardent and Practiced Manifester, and you have full manifester level, with up to 4th level powers. Add Tashalatora, and you have full monk abilities, too. :D
#19 carnivore Apr 07, 2009 15:03:19	now thats nice... but to avoid XP penalties, it would have to be: Dragonborn Aasimar Monk 3/ Barbarian 2/ Cloistered Cleric 2 Domains: Celerity Sky Knowledge 2 flaws required: Vulnerable Murkey Eyed Feats: Celestial Bloodline (Flaw bonus) Outsider Wings(Flaw bonus)... fly at Land Speed 1st lvl: Air Heritage(+30 flight speed) 3rd lvl: Improved Speed(+10 all modes of speed, +20 Flight speed) 6th lvl: open feat Land Speed for this Monk = base 30 + 10 Monk +10 Imp Speed +10 Barbarian +10 Celerity Domain) = 70' speed Flight Speed = Base 70 + 30 Air heritage +20 Imp Speed +5 Sky= 125' Flight yes its doable... for the Open Feat... you could boost it further with: Dash[General](CWar p97) — You may increase your movement by 5’ as long as you are wearing no more than Light armor and are no more than Lightly Encumbered. giving a Flight Speed of 130'... but i would rather take one of these two: [indent] Improved Flight[General] (CAdv p110)req: Ability to fly Your maneuverability while flying improves one step (clumsy → poor → average → good → perfect). Flyby Attack [General]Prerequisite: Fly speed. Benefit: When flying, the creature can take a move action (including a dive) and another standard action at any point during the move. The creature cannot take a second move action during a round when it makes a flyby attack. Normal: Without this feat, the creature takes a standard action either before or after its move.[/indent] :D
#20 phaedrusxy Apr 07, 2009 15:22:09	now thats nice... but to avoid XP penalties, it would have to be: :D No it wouldn't. The Ascetic Psion feat (I don't think that's the name... it's also in Secrets of Sarlona) makes monk a favored class on top of your normal favored class (it can also be taken as a monk bonus feat). So the build I presented (Monk3/Cleric1/Barb1/Ardent2) has no XP penalties. The Time mantle gives you another +10 feet speed from Ardent. You could also add Speed of Thought, if you have enough feats (you probably wont :P ). I'm not sure if all of those stack, but I know most of them do. The ardent one is unnamed, and barbarian increases your racial speed. Monk is enhancement, and Speed of Thought is insight. I'm not sure about the others you mentioned.
#21 carnivore Apr 07, 2009 15:28:56	No it wouldn't. The Ascetic Psion feat (I don't think that's the name... it's also in Secrets of Sarlona) makes monk a favored class on top of your normal favored class. So the build I presented (Monk3/Cleric1/Barb1/Ardent2) has no XP penalties. The Time mantle gives you another +10 feet speed from Ardent. You could also add Speed of Thought, if you have enough feats (you probably wont :P ). I'm not sure if all of those stack, but I know most of them do. The ardent one is unnamed, and barbarian increases your racial speed. Monk is enhancement. I'm not sure about the others. Aasimar have Favored Class: Paladin...... Dragonborn adds Fighter... thus a Dragonborn Aasimar has Fav Class: Paladin, Fighter so you will have XP penalties ...... if you could take the feats: Celestial Bloodline and Outsider Wings with Human or 1/2 elf (any race that has Fav Class Any) there would be no problems :D
#22 phaedrusxy Apr 07, 2009 15:30:19	Edit: Bah, you're right. It doesn't work. Monastic Training is the feat, and it does not actually add Monk as a favored class. Sorry about that. I swear I remember a feat that makes monk your favored class, though...
#23 carnivore Apr 07, 2009 15:33:48	Ascetic Psion adds monk as a favored class. You ignore favored classes when calculating XP penalties, and everything else in my build is within 1 level. So it has no XP penalty. im sorry... i dont have that book available right now... as far as i can remember it does this: Ascetic Psion...............req:Narrow Mind....allows you to freely multiclass with Psion and Monk, also use Int to AC instead of Wis, and lets you re-Focus as a Standard action, as well as progresses unarmed Damage but it does not give Ardent as an Additional Favored Class, nor Psion nor Monk :D
#24 phaedrusxy Apr 07, 2009 15:40:24	I edited after looking at it online... This one would work, but it adds another feat requirement. Additional Favored Class Type: General Source: Unearthed Arcana You are more adept at combining different talents than most members of your race. Benefit: Choose a character class, such as ranger. The chosen class is treated as a favored class for the purpose of determining whether or not your character takes an experience point penalty for multiclassing. Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new class. Normal: Without this feat, if any class other than your race's favored class is two or more levels lower than your highest-level class, you take a -20% penalty to XP earned for each class that is not within one level of your highest-level class.
#25 carnivore Apr 07, 2009 15:41:10	Edit: Bah, you're right. It doesn't work. Monastic Training is the feat, and it does not actually add Monk as a favored class. Sorry about that. I swear I remember a feat that makes monk your favored class, though... i remember one also...but i cant find it right now.... i have been looking... there are some feats that ADD Cleric as a Favored Class... but they are Deity Specific... and that deity doesnt have the right domains :D
#26 carnivore Apr 07, 2009 15:43:16	I edited after looking at it online... This one would work, but it adds another feat requirement. Additional Favored Class Type: General Source: Unearthed Arcana You are more adept at combining different talents than most members of your race. Benefit: Choose a character class, such as ranger. The chosen class is treated as a favored class for the purpose of determining whether or not your character takes an experience point penalty for multiclassing. Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new class. Normal: Without this feat, if any class other than your race's favored class is two or more levels lower than your highest-level class, you take a -20% penalty to XP earned for each class that is not within one level of your highest-level class. i know i have seen that, but where is it in the SRD? ... link? :D
#27 phaedrusxy Apr 07, 2009 15:48:14	i know i have seen that, but where is it in the SRD? ... link? :D I can't find it in there, either. I found it on dandello.
#28 carnivore Apr 07, 2009 15:51:29	got it :D
#29 phaedrusxy Apr 07, 2009 16:11:04	Ok, here we go. From the "Lists of Stuff": Feathered Wings, fiendish graft, Fiend Folio: flight speed = 2x land speed. So we can be human to dodge the XP penalty. Monk 3/ Barbarian 1/ Cloistered Cleric 1/Ardent 2 Domains: Celerity Sky Knowledge 2 flaws required: Vulnerable Murky Eyed Feats: Speed of Thought (Flaw bonus) Dash (Flaw bonus) 1st lvl: Air Heritage(+30 flight speed) Monk bonus 1: Monastic Training (Ardent) 3rd lvl: Improved Speed(+10 all modes of speed, +20 Flight speed) 6th lvl: Practiced Manifester (Ardent) Land Speed = base 30 + 10 Monk +10 Imp Speed +10 Barbarian +10 Celerity Domain +10 Time Mantle +10 Speed of Thought + 5 Dash = 95' speed Flight Speed = 190 + 30 Air heritage +20 Imp Speed +5 Sky= 245'
#30 dumah87 Apr 08, 2009 5:48:37	Can Heart of Air (Sor/Wiz 2 PHB 2 ) spell be useful? it adds 10f tp your fly speed and lasts 1h/lvl !
#31 carnivore Apr 08, 2009 5:50:27	Can Heart of Air (Sor/Wiz 2 PHB 2 ) spell be useful? it adds 10f tp your fly speed and lasts 1h/lvl ! no.... notice: Ok, at level 8 I need a character with the highest fly speed possible. Here's the weird thing. It must use only mudane, racial, and extrodinary abilities (no magic, supernatural, or divine) and the maximum level adjustment is +1. GO! :D :D
#32 ekluag Apr 08, 2009 6:21:09	What penalties does the graft possess? In terms of roleplaying, how so you get them so early? And Why the heck do youu want this? It is cool to outrace a great wyrm force dragon in a no magic race (assuming you can see it), but what can we use this for?
#33 hogarth Apr 08, 2009 8:24:24	Ok, here we go. From the "Lists of Stuff": Feathered Wings, fiendish graft, Fiend Folio: flight speed = 2x land speed. So we can be human to dodge the XP penalty. Monk 3/ Barbarian 1/ Cloistered Cleric 1/Ardent 2 I think you're slightly better off in terms of speed with a Catfolk (base 40' speed) and taking off one level of Ardent. EDIT: One caveat, though -- psionic feats are (Su) abilities, so they don't meet the original poster's requirements.
#34 Senevri Apr 08, 2009 9:47:05	Phaedrus probably topped this already, but white dragon Wyrmling has 3hd, 2 la and a base flight speed of 150ft.
#35 phaedrusxy Apr 08, 2009 11:00:30	I think you're slightly better off in terms of speed with a Catfolk (base 40' speed) and taking off one level of Ardent. EDIT: One caveat, though -- psionic feats are (Su) abilities, so they don't meet the original poster's requirements. Eh, it only loses 10 feet off the land speed, then, which is regained by going with your suggestion of catfolk. You'd need to take Additional Favored Class (Monk) instead of Practiced Manifester: Ardent, and the character will be pretty useless overall, but it will have the same speed. I had actually left out the human bonus feat, so that's no problem. I'm not sure if the Time Mantle ability is Su or not. It's not a feat.