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#1
sirlavandino
Mar 20, 2008 10:45:25 I want to make an artificer PC with a mechanical hand i found nothing on the forums except for this:

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=924286&highlight=mechanical+hand
but in this link they describe a house-ruled item i guess...

I already know about the Hand Of Vecna but is not what i'm looking for....

The Hand i'm looking for should have these attributes:

1) full maneuverability like a real hand

2) should allow smth else that could replace the inability to use rings

any ideas?

ty in advance
#2
Wyvernhand
Mar 20, 2008 10:48:25 I can't be the only one remembering the episode of Futurama called "The Devils Hands are Idle Playthings"

lol
#3
echilda
Mar 20, 2008 10:48:55 UMD a battlefist?

Not sure if it gives full manuverability though.
#4
22_Over_7
Mar 20, 2008 10:49:57 There's an "extra arm" item in one of the Eberron books, I think.
#5
sirlavandino
Mar 20, 2008 10:54:17
I can't be the only one remembering the episode of Futurama called "The Devils Hands are Idle Playthings"

lol

:D 2 here :D
#6
opibinia
Mar 20, 2008 11:03:28 Take a look at renegade mastermaker in Magic of Eberron. It's pretty close to what you're describing.
#7
sirlavandino
Mar 20, 2008 11:15:13
Take a look at renegade mastermaker in Magic of Eberron. It's pretty close to what you're describing.

ty but the ranegade mastermaker gives u 2 fists..i just need 1 :D and i would prefer not to dip into PrC.

I was searching for an item, even magical....
#8
avatar_of_kragg
Mar 20, 2008 12:24:10 well there are magical prosthetic limbs in a 3rd party book called torn asunder. Some of them are useful such as an arm that can hold 4 wands, a hand of holding, and an arm that can extend up to 5 ft.
#9
skydragonknight
Mar 20, 2008 12:48:23 Mighty Arms in Magic(or was it Faiths?) of Eberron is a warforged graft that gives a non-warforged a slam attack and lets them use warfoged components(such as a battlefist).
There's also leg grafts that give immunity to fatigue in there.

Just ask your DM if you can pay the full price to just get a single metal arm graft and a single leg graft. Then you can be the Full Metal Artificer.
#10
green_eyes
Mar 20, 2008 12:53:13 Spare Hand (Magic Items Compendium , pg 137) - is probably what you are looking for. Though you must spend infusions to power it, so that it gets more agile and functional.
#11
Wyvernhand
Mar 20, 2008 12:55:45 There was a magic item, I don't remember where or what it was called, but it was basically a hand forged some semimolten silver. It replaced your normal hand and gave you a +2 unnamed bonus to strength. It behaved for all intents and purposes as a normal hand though, including the fact that you could wear rings on it.
#12
colm_l
Mar 20, 2008 13:08:29
There was a magic item, I don't remember where or what it was called, but it was basically a hand forged some semimolten silver. It replaced your normal hand and gave you a +2 unnamed bonus to strength. It behaved for all intents and purposes as a normal hand though, including the fact that you could wear rings on it.

Hand of lugh I think -in Defenders of the Faith
#13
trickydevl666
Mar 20, 2008 13:55:05 In Magic of Eberron there is the "Spare Hand" which is an arm and hand that is worn on your belt. You power it with infusions and it can help you fight, take out items as free actions, and for the most part just carries stuff for you. There's also a variant that gets you two spare hands on the same belt.
#14
rhig
Mar 20, 2008 16:14:28 Though it's not as good as the other suggestions here, in MM2 there's the Half-Golem template. Pretty lousy template, but half iron golem is sort of what you're looking for (you're not really "half" golem, you just trade a limb for the limb of a golem).
#15
sirlavandino
Mar 20, 2008 16:53:13 thz a lot ppl i'll take a look in defenders opf the faith later ( i don't have the book in my home atm...) i will take a look to the half-golem template too
thx a lot :D
#16
adslahnit
Mar 20, 2008 17:05:33
Hand of lugh I think -in Defenders of the Faith

It's called the Arm of Nyr, actually.

Arm of Nyr: This artificial arm made of mithral replaces an arm that has been lost by a good character. It will not function for a neutral character. An evil character who tries to attach it takes 1d4 points of temporary Dexterity damage. A character who makes successful use of the arm gains +2 Strength and +2 Dexterity. The arm also provides a +2 deflection bonus to Armor Class. Generally, 70% of these items are left arms and 30% are right arms, though there are rumors of rare arms that adapt to the user.

Caster Level: 6th; Prerequisites: Craft Wondrous Item, animate object, shield; Market Price: 12,800 gp; Weight: —.

You could theoretically have two of these arms for +4 Strength and +4 Dexterity, or four of these arms if you're a thri-kreen for +8 Strength and +8 Dexterity. The big problem with using Arms of Nyr is that if you get hit with a targeted (Greater) Dispel Magic or a Mordenkainen's Disjunction, or you enter an Antimagic Field, there goes the use of your arms.
#17
panserbjorn_x
Mar 20, 2008 17:29:31
ty but the ranegade mastermaker gives u 2 fists..i just need 1 :D and i would prefer not to dip into PrC.

I was searching for an item, even magical....

Mastermaker only gives you one fist.

~P_X~
#18
skydragonknight
Mar 20, 2008 20:50:23
thz a lot ppl i'll take a look in defenders opf the faith later ( i don't have the book in my home atm...) i will take a look to the half-golem template too
thx a lot :D

Still need a hand with your build?
#19
sirlavandino
Mar 21, 2008 4:51:26
Still need a hand with your build?

well ty maybe just some suggestion if u don't mind

atm i need to develop 2 version cuz i don't know if my group will be evil or good/neutral...

in case will be neutral/good i thought i could use smth inspired by this Caelic build http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=4257180&postcount=85

a diplo-buffer

but i will switch the race to human with MAgic-Blooded (Spark) template from dragon magazine #306 for the bonus CHA and for some BG/flavor reasons (tha magic-blooded traits caused him to born with white hair and strange eyes so he was abandoned and raised by nymphs so i can roleplay also the nymph's kiss ).
Also i will implement the mechanical hand (still in doubt which of urs suggestion i should take: the arm of nyr seems nice and also the half-golem template picking just 1 hand..or maybe i will take the hand of nyr house-ruling it for less bonuses but granting protection from dispel magic and such....yet to decide...)

I was also considering to remove marshall...

BTW if the group will be evil i should forget 'bout nymph's kiss and this sucks a lot :D so i don't know what kind of artificer i should be...maybe still a diplo-buffer but i would need smth to replace nymph's kiss...or maybe a buffer/blaster removing human paragon and marshal levels going with a straight artificer build trying to balance buff metamagic feats and blaster feats

i will use also 1 flaw (maybe 2) ...yet to decide which flaw :D

btw the caelic build seems fine for me, i just would remove that marshal lvl cuz we will start from low levels (2 or maybe if i'm lucky 4 :D :D :D)
#20
jaronk
Mar 21, 2008 4:59:20 Other options include undead grafts and haunt shifting an animate dead skeleton (awakened with Awaken Undead) to control your hand for you.

JaronK
#21
green_eyes
Mar 21, 2008 5:54:06 Yeah, cause getting you hand turned and fleeing in terror is much better than it going limp due to well placed dispell (=
#22
sirlavandino
Mar 21, 2008 6:24:34
Yeah, cause getting you hand turned and fleeing in terror is much better than it going limp due to well placed dispell (=

never said that :D i don't like spare hands due to flavor issue :D i want an hand that replace my lost hand...but maybe i could house-rule it to fit directly on my arm...
#23
colm_l
Mar 21, 2008 7:45:45
It's called the Arm of Nyr, actually.

Close enough for a book I haven't opened since 3.0 ;)
#24
green_eyes
Mar 21, 2008 7:55:33
never said that :D i don't like spare hands due to flavor issue :D i want an hand that replace my lost hand...but maybe i could house-rule it to fit directly on my arm...

Usually in DnD you solve that with a casting of Regenerate.
That's 910gp, if i'm doing the math right.

So um... yeah... :D
#25
JanusJones
Mar 21, 2008 9:10:58 It wasn't the Futurama episode I thought of, but the Sprites' track "Bionic Hands."

Good stuff.
#26
sirlavandino
Mar 21, 2008 9:15:49
It wasn't the Futurama episode I thought of, but the Sprites' track "Bionic Hands."

Good stuff.

no i'm pretty sure there's a futurama's episode where Fry exchange his hands with Robo-devil's ones

anyway ppl i won't be replying here since tuesday...i'm going to swiss for the weekend
cya on tuesday
#27
panserbjorn_x
Mar 21, 2008 10:20:30
Yeah, cause getting you hand turned and fleeing in terror is much better than it going limp due to well placed dispell (=

Grafts aren't magic items. They don't have caster levels to roll against for dispel.

The only relationship they bear to magic items is needing a distinct amount of time/money/materials to craft.

~P_X~
#28
JanusJones
Mar 21, 2008 10:42:12
no i'm pretty sure there's a futurama's episode where Fry exchange his hands with Robo-devil's ones

anyway ppl i won't be replying here since tuesday...i'm going to swiss for the weekend
cya on tuesday

I didn't say there wasn't an episode - I know it well. I said "it didn't make me think of Futurama, but of the Sprites."
#29
bozwevial
Mar 21, 2008 12:49:59 Hmm...I can't be the first person to think of FMA.

Anyhow, if you want to still be able to wear rings, you can legally wear two rings on one hand. Otherwise, there is the Hand of Glory, which in my opinion is ridiculously underpriced. 8,000 gp for a necklace that essentially grants an epic feat as well as Daylight and See Invisibility once per day each? That's awesome.
#30
rhig
Mar 21, 2008 12:56:10
Grafts aren't magic items. They don't have caster levels to roll against for dispel.

The only relationship they bear to magic items is needing a distinct amount of time/money/materials to craft.

~P_X~

That's exactly what he was talking about - someone offered a magic arm that can be targeted by dispel magic or disjunction, and then some other guy offered undead grafts. So the guy you replied to said that while the grafts can't be dispelled, they're not necessarily better because they can be turned using Turn Undead.
#31
panserbjorn_x
Mar 21, 2008 13:26:33 I just quickly checked Libris Mortis, and I can't find anywhere in the Graft section that says that Turn Undead has any effect on the grafts.

So unless it's in some other source, TU doesn't effect the grafts.

~P_X~
#32
skydragonknight
Mar 21, 2008 15:31:14
Hmm...I can't be the first person to think of FMA.

Nope. Check out my first response.
#33
commx
Mar 21, 2008 15:34:47
I just quickly checked Libris Mortis, and I can't find anywhere in the Graft section that says that Turn Undead has any effect on the grafts.

So unless it's in some other source, TU doesn't effect the grafts.

~P_X~

Note that he wasn't talking about turning a Graft, but rather a Haunt-Shifted Awakened Skeleton that was possessing a mechanical hand. However, whilst a Haunt Shift is possessing something, it is immune to turning so the answer stays the same.
#34
panserbjorn_x
Mar 21, 2008 15:47:12 Thanks, I see that now.

Still wouldn't be a bad idea to get a graft, since the only way to get rid of it is by killing you to cut it off...

~P_X~
#35
green_eyes
Mar 21, 2008 16:30:50 I should have added , didn't I?

And yeah, i was talking about haunt shift. Thanks for clearing that out for me, as I'm not familiar with the spell.
#36
sirlavandino
Mar 24, 2008 17:40:28
I didn't say there wasn't an episode - I know it well. I said "it didn't make me think of Futurama, but of the Sprites."

W/e :D
anyway i'm back ty 4 answers

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 sirlavandino Mar 20, 2008 10:45:25	I want to make an artificer PC with a mechanical hand i found nothing on the forums except for this: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=924286&highlight=mechanical+hand but in this link they describe a house-ruled item i guess... I already know about the Hand Of Vecna but is not what i'm looking for.... The Hand i'm looking for should have these attributes: 1) full maneuverability like a real hand 2) should allow smth else that could replace the inability to use rings any ideas? ty in advance
#2 Wyvernhand Mar 20, 2008 10:48:25	I can't be the only one remembering the episode of Futurama called "The Devils Hands are Idle Playthings" lol
#3 echilda Mar 20, 2008 10:48:55	UMD a battlefist? Not sure if it gives full manuverability though.
#4 22_Over_7 Mar 20, 2008 10:49:57	There's an "extra arm" item in one of the Eberron books, I think.
#5 sirlavandino Mar 20, 2008 10:54:17	I can't be the only one remembering the episode of Futurama called "The Devils Hands are Idle Playthings" lol :D 2 here :D
#6 opibinia Mar 20, 2008 11:03:28	Take a look at renegade mastermaker in Magic of Eberron. It's pretty close to what you're describing.
#7 sirlavandino Mar 20, 2008 11:15:13	Take a look at renegade mastermaker in Magic of Eberron. It's pretty close to what you're describing. ty but the ranegade mastermaker gives u 2 fists..i just need 1 :D and i would prefer not to dip into PrC. I was searching for an item, even magical....
#8 avatar_of_kragg Mar 20, 2008 12:24:10	well there are magical prosthetic limbs in a 3rd party book called torn asunder. Some of them are useful such as an arm that can hold 4 wands, a hand of holding, and an arm that can extend up to 5 ft.
#9 skydragonknight Mar 20, 2008 12:48:23	Mighty Arms in Magic(or was it Faiths?) of Eberron is a warforged graft that gives a non-warforged a slam attack and lets them use warfoged components(such as a battlefist). There's also leg grafts that give immunity to fatigue in there. Just ask your DM if you can pay the full price to just get a single metal arm graft and a single leg graft. Then you can be the Full Metal Artificer.
#10 green_eyes Mar 20, 2008 12:53:13	Spare Hand (Magic Items Compendium , pg 137) - is probably what you are looking for. Though you must spend infusions to power it, so that it gets more agile and functional.
#11 Wyvernhand Mar 20, 2008 12:55:45	There was a magic item, I don't remember where or what it was called, but it was basically a hand forged some semimolten silver. It replaced your normal hand and gave you a +2 unnamed bonus to strength. It behaved for all intents and purposes as a normal hand though, including the fact that you could wear rings on it.
#12 colm_l Mar 20, 2008 13:08:29	There was a magic item, I don't remember where or what it was called, but it was basically a hand forged some semimolten silver. It replaced your normal hand and gave you a +2 unnamed bonus to strength. It behaved for all intents and purposes as a normal hand though, including the fact that you could wear rings on it. Hand of lugh I think -in Defenders of the Faith
#13 trickydevl666 Mar 20, 2008 13:55:05	In Magic of Eberron there is the "Spare Hand" which is an arm and hand that is worn on your belt. You power it with infusions and it can help you fight, take out items as free actions, and for the most part just carries stuff for you. There's also a variant that gets you two spare hands on the same belt.
#14 rhig Mar 20, 2008 16:14:28	Though it's not as good as the other suggestions here, in MM2 there's the Half-Golem template. Pretty lousy template, but half iron golem is sort of what you're looking for (you're not really "half" golem, you just trade a limb for the limb of a golem).
#15 sirlavandino Mar 20, 2008 16:53:13	thz a lot ppl i'll take a look in defenders opf the faith later ( i don't have the book in my home atm...) i will take a look to the half-golem template too thx a lot :D
#16 adslahnit Mar 20, 2008 17:05:33	Hand of lugh I think -in Defenders of the Faith It's called the Arm of Nyr, actually. Arm of Nyr: This artificial arm made of mithral replaces an arm that has been lost by a good character. It will not function for a neutral character. An evil character who tries to attach it takes 1d4 points of temporary Dexterity damage. A character who makes successful use of the arm gains +2 Strength and +2 Dexterity. The arm also provides a +2 deflection bonus to Armor Class. Generally, 70% of these items are left arms and 30% are right arms, though there are rumors of rare arms that adapt to the user. Caster Level: 6th; Prerequisites: Craft Wondrous Item, animate object, shield; Market Price: 12,800 gp; Weight: —. You could theoretically have two of these arms for +4 Strength and +4 Dexterity, or four of these arms if you're a thri-kreen for +8 Strength and +8 Dexterity. The big problem with using Arms of Nyr is that if you get hit with a targeted (Greater) Dispel Magic or a Mordenkainen's Disjunction, or you enter an Antimagic Field, there goes the use of your arms.
#17 panserbjorn_x Mar 20, 2008 17:29:31	ty but the ranegade mastermaker gives u 2 fists..i just need 1 :D and i would prefer not to dip into PrC. I was searching for an item, even magical.... Mastermaker only gives you one fist. ~P_X~
#18 skydragonknight Mar 20, 2008 20:50:23	thz a lot ppl i'll take a look in defenders opf the faith later ( i don't have the book in my home atm...) i will take a look to the half-golem template too thx a lot :D Still need a hand with your build?
#19 sirlavandino Mar 21, 2008 4:51:26	Still need a hand with your build? well ty maybe just some suggestion if u don't mind atm i need to develop 2 version cuz i don't know if my group will be evil or good/neutral... in case will be neutral/good i thought i could use smth inspired by this Caelic build http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=4257180&postcount=85 a diplo-buffer but i will switch the race to human with MAgic-Blooded (Spark) template from dragon magazine #306 for the bonus CHA and for some BG/flavor reasons (tha magic-blooded traits caused him to born with white hair and strange eyes so he was abandoned and raised by nymphs so i can roleplay also the nymph's kiss ). Also i will implement the mechanical hand (still in doubt which of urs suggestion i should take: the arm of nyr seems nice and also the half-golem template picking just 1 hand..or maybe i will take the hand of nyr house-ruling it for less bonuses but granting protection from dispel magic and such....yet to decide...) I was also considering to remove marshall... BTW if the group will be evil i should forget 'bout nymph's kiss and this sucks a lot :D so i don't know what kind of artificer i should be...maybe still a diplo-buffer but i would need smth to replace nymph's kiss...or maybe a buffer/blaster removing human paragon and marshal levels going with a straight artificer build trying to balance buff metamagic feats and blaster feats i will use also 1 flaw (maybe 2) ...yet to decide which flaw :D btw the caelic build seems fine for me, i just would remove that marshal lvl cuz we will start from low levels (2 or maybe if i'm lucky 4 :D :D :D)
#20 jaronk Mar 21, 2008 4:59:20	Other options include undead grafts and haunt shifting an animate dead skeleton (awakened with Awaken Undead) to control your hand for you. JaronK
#21 green_eyes Mar 21, 2008 5:54:06	Yeah, cause getting you hand turned and fleeing in terror is much better than it going limp due to well placed dispell (=
#22 sirlavandino Mar 21, 2008 6:24:34	Yeah, cause getting you hand turned and fleeing in terror is much better than it going limp due to well placed dispell (= never said that :D i don't like spare hands due to flavor issue :D i want an hand that replace my lost hand...but maybe i could house-rule it to fit directly on my arm...
#23 colm_l Mar 21, 2008 7:45:45	It's called the Arm of Nyr, actually. Close enough for a book I haven't opened since 3.0 ;)
#24 green_eyes Mar 21, 2008 7:55:33	never said that :D i don't like spare hands due to flavor issue :D i want an hand that replace my lost hand...but maybe i could house-rule it to fit directly on my arm... Usually in DnD you solve that with a casting of Regenerate. That's 910gp, if i'm doing the math right. So um... yeah... :D
#25 JanusJones Mar 21, 2008 9:10:58	It wasn't the Futurama episode I thought of, but the Sprites' track "Bionic Hands." Good stuff.
#26 sirlavandino Mar 21, 2008 9:15:49	It wasn't the Futurama episode I thought of, but the Sprites' track "Bionic Hands." Good stuff. no i'm pretty sure there's a futurama's episode where Fry exchange his hands with Robo-devil's ones anyway ppl i won't be replying here since tuesday...i'm going to swiss for the weekend cya on tuesday
#27 panserbjorn_x Mar 21, 2008 10:20:30	Yeah, cause getting you hand turned and fleeing in terror is much better than it going limp due to well placed dispell (= Grafts aren't magic items. They don't have caster levels to roll against for dispel. The only relationship they bear to magic items is needing a distinct amount of time/money/materials to craft. ~P_X~
#28 JanusJones Mar 21, 2008 10:42:12	no i'm pretty sure there's a futurama's episode where Fry exchange his hands with Robo-devil's ones anyway ppl i won't be replying here since tuesday...i'm going to swiss for the weekend cya on tuesday I didn't say there wasn't an episode - I know it well. I said "it didn't make me think of Futurama, but of the Sprites."
#29 bozwevial Mar 21, 2008 12:49:59	Hmm...I can't be the first person to think of FMA. Anyhow, if you want to still be able to wear rings, you can legally wear two rings on one hand. Otherwise, there is the Hand of Glory, which in my opinion is ridiculously underpriced. 8,000 gp for a necklace that essentially grants an epic feat as well as Daylight and See Invisibility once per day each? That's awesome.
#30 rhig Mar 21, 2008 12:56:10	Grafts aren't magic items. They don't have caster levels to roll against for dispel. The only relationship they bear to magic items is needing a distinct amount of time/money/materials to craft. ~P_X~ That's exactly what he was talking about - someone offered a magic arm that can be targeted by dispel magic or disjunction, and then some other guy offered undead grafts. So the guy you replied to said that while the grafts can't be dispelled, they're not necessarily better because they can be turned using Turn Undead.
#31 panserbjorn_x Mar 21, 2008 13:26:33	I just quickly checked Libris Mortis, and I can't find anywhere in the Graft section that says that Turn Undead has any effect on the grafts. So unless it's in some other source, TU doesn't effect the grafts. ~P_X~
#32 skydragonknight Mar 21, 2008 15:31:14	Hmm...I can't be the first person to think of FMA. Nope. Check out my first response.
#33 commx Mar 21, 2008 15:34:47	I just quickly checked Libris Mortis, and I can't find anywhere in the Graft section that says that Turn Undead has any effect on the grafts. So unless it's in some other source, TU doesn't effect the grafts. ~P_X~ Note that he wasn't talking about turning a Graft, but rather a Haunt-Shifted Awakened Skeleton that was possessing a mechanical hand. However, whilst a Haunt Shift is possessing something, it is immune to turning so the answer stays the same.
#34 panserbjorn_x Mar 21, 2008 15:47:12	Thanks, I see that now. Still wouldn't be a bad idea to get a graft, since the only way to get rid of it is by killing you to cut it off... ~P_X~
#35 green_eyes Mar 21, 2008 16:30:50	I should have added , didn't I? And yeah, i was talking about haunt shift. Thanks for clearing that out for me, as I'm not familiar with the spell.
#36 sirlavandino Mar 24, 2008 17:40:28	I didn't say there wasn't an episode - I know it well. I said "it didn't make me think of Futurama, but of the Sprites." W/e :D anyway i'm back ty 4 answers