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#1
valda
Dec 17, 2008 20:53:11 Hi everybody, i'm here to ask your help on optimizing the Mindbender.
I know it wont be a REALLLl optimization, since the loss of 5 caster levels make this class suck, but i was wondering how to take the max out of it!
The class sucks but the concept is just great!!

I was thinking, and came to my mind that the best entry would be Bard 5, but still need lots of feats, strategy, and progression help.

The builds i have in mind are:

Bard5/MindBender5/SublimeChord5/Mindbender+5
( 8th level spells, all the Charms from MB, and Timeless song. Maybe replacing some SublimeChord level for abjurant champion, dont know...)

Bard5/MindBender5/SeekeOfTheSong6/Mindbender+4
(totally dump spells, but you activate spelldeath song and let your charmed monster figh for you!)

Sorcerer5/Mindbender10/MansterOfTheUnseenHand5
(Low spells again, but lots of chamed monster and flying swords to help...)

well thats what i could make, but i am sure you can make it better!!

i normaly would just use Core and Completes, but since its the Mindbender we talking about i guess we should try all materias avaible....
Thank you all for the time and for the help and sorry about my poor english!
#2
bill_bisco_average_adventurer
Dec 17, 2008 23:11:43 Valda,

Take a look at the Book Libris Mortis, the Mother Cyst feat and spells do a much better job at what the Mindbender class is trying to do. ;)
#3
aje8
Dec 17, 2008 23:18:31 Mindbender is pretty much a 1-level dip class.... any more than that puts an entire spell level behind.

Whether your dipping it or not, the best entry is most definatly Wizard. Wizard> Bard 99% of the time.
#4
kurashu
Dec 18, 2008 0:16:46 I'd actually say: Beguiler = Warlock > Wizard > Bard. Unless the Bard is going Ur-Chord Lyricist, bard would be at the top then. Wizards don't always need Mindbender, but beguilers and warlocks get some great mileage out of it.

But yeah, Mindbender is 1 level only. Especially if you are going Ur-Chord Lyricist. Lost caster levels after taking Sublime Chord is bad.
#5
emy
Dec 18, 2008 0:44:49 So, speaking of the Mindbender, is the Factotum entry I posted in another thread legit? A Factotum can, after all, use Charm Person as a Spell-Like Ability.
#6
jaronk
Dec 18, 2008 4:22:47 Yes, the Factotum entry is legit, and Mindbender + Mindsight is a pretty useful dip for them.

JaronK
#7
Endarire
Dec 19, 2008 2:25:57 Ironically, a Wizard5/Mindbender10 is less of a mind bender than a Wizard15.
#8
rpalmier82
Dec 19, 2008 9:13:19 I agree that the Mindbender is really just a 1 dip prestige class. If you enjoy it's concept, I think you should look into the Thrallherd prestige class in the Expanded Psionics Handbook. (If you are into the whole psionics thing, that is)

I noticed you threw the bard up in there too. Pithica suggested a really good build to me earlier using the mindbender and bard:

Human Bard5/Mindbender1/Lyric Thuamaturge 3/Virtuoso1/SubChord1/Virtuoso9

You'll get 15th level inspire courage, +16BAB and 9th level arcane spells/6th level bard spells all in one shot, as well as qualifying for the Mindsight* feat listed in lords of madness.

* Mindsight is not listed anywhere in the table of contents. I believe it's on page 123 or 126. Somewhere around there (sorry for not knowing exactly)
#9
atomickitkat
Dec 19, 2008 20:16:53 Really, the primary reason you'd want Mindbender is just for the Telepathy, which lets you communicate without being detected by most, and is regardless of language(I think).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 valda Dec 17, 2008 20:53:11	Hi everybody, i'm here to ask your help on optimizing the Mindbender. I know it wont be a REALLLl optimization, since the loss of 5 caster levels make this class suck, but i was wondering how to take the max out of it! The class sucks but the concept is just great!! I was thinking, and came to my mind that the best entry would be Bard 5, but still need lots of feats, strategy, and progression help. The builds i have in mind are: Bard5/MindBender5/SublimeChord5/Mindbender+5 ( 8th level spells, all the Charms from MB, and Timeless song. Maybe replacing some SublimeChord level for abjurant champion, dont know...) Bard5/MindBender5/SeekeOfTheSong6/Mindbender+4 (totally dump spells, but you activate spelldeath song and let your charmed monster figh for you!) Sorcerer5/Mindbender10/MansterOfTheUnseenHand5 (Low spells again, but lots of chamed monster and flying swords to help...) well thats what i could make, but i am sure you can make it better!! i normaly would just use Core and Completes, but since its the Mindbender we talking about i guess we should try all materias avaible.... Thank you all for the time and for the help and sorry about my poor english!
#2 bill_bisco_average_adventurer Dec 17, 2008 23:11:43	Valda, Take a look at the Book Libris Mortis, the Mother Cyst feat and spells do a much better job at what the Mindbender class is trying to do. ;)
#3 aje8 Dec 17, 2008 23:18:31	Mindbender is pretty much a 1-level dip class.... any more than that puts an entire spell level behind. Whether your dipping it or not, the best entry is most definatly Wizard. Wizard> Bard 99% of the time.
#4 kurashu Dec 18, 2008 0:16:46	I'd actually say: Beguiler = Warlock > Wizard > Bard. Unless the Bard is going Ur-Chord Lyricist, bard would be at the top then. Wizards don't always need Mindbender, but beguilers and warlocks get some great mileage out of it. But yeah, Mindbender is 1 level only. Especially if you are going Ur-Chord Lyricist. Lost caster levels after taking Sublime Chord is bad.
#5 emy Dec 18, 2008 0:44:49	So, speaking of the Mindbender, is the Factotum entry I posted in another thread legit? A Factotum can, after all, use Charm Person as a Spell-Like Ability.
#6 jaronk Dec 18, 2008 4:22:47	Yes, the Factotum entry is legit, and Mindbender + Mindsight is a pretty useful dip for them. JaronK
#7 Endarire Dec 19, 2008 2:25:57	Ironically, a Wizard5/Mindbender10 is less of a mind bender than a Wizard15.
#8 rpalmier82 Dec 19, 2008 9:13:19	I agree that the Mindbender is really just a 1 dip prestige class. If you enjoy it's concept, I think you should look into the Thrallherd prestige class in the Expanded Psionics Handbook. (If you are into the whole psionics thing, that is) I noticed you threw the bard up in there too. Pithica suggested a really good build to me earlier using the mindbender and bard: Human Bard5/Mindbender1/Lyric Thuamaturge 3/Virtuoso1/SubChord1/Virtuoso9 You'll get 15th level inspire courage, +16BAB and 9th level arcane spells/6th level bard spells all in one shot, as well as qualifying for the Mindsight* feat listed in lords of madness. * Mindsight is not listed anywhere in the table of contents. I believe it's on page 123 or 126. Somewhere around there (sorry for not knowing exactly)
#9 atomickitkat Dec 19, 2008 20:16:53	Really, the primary reason you'd want Mindbender is just for the Telepathy, which lets you communicate without being detected by most, and is regardless of language(I think).