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Mongrelfolk + Racial Substitution Levels + Racial Feats = ?

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#1
Kevin_Andrew_Murphy
Mar 15, 2009 0:03:49 This is both a rules question and a bit of a building challenge.

Since it follows the logic of the race, I was thinking of allowing Mongrelfolk to take any racial feats they might qualify for, from any race, but in addition let them also take any racial substitution levels from any of the races, assuming they're the right class.

The question is, is this workable, or is there some PunPun level god-killer lurking in this rules interpretation?
#2
CantripN
Mar 15, 2009 0:14:28 Not RAW, but I don't see any particular abuse that's too great.
#3
PlzBreakMyCampaign
Mar 15, 2009 0:52:52 Sounds flavorful, atleast
#4
CantripN
Mar 15, 2009 1:02:28 But be sure to limit this to LA +0, Humanoid races. Otherwise, I can see people using this for Goliath, Warforged or Fangshield Subs.
#5
Kevin_Andrew_Murphy
Mar 15, 2009 4:14:14
But be sure to limit this to LA +0, Humanoid races. Otherwise, I can see people using this for Goliath, Warforged or Fangshield Subs.

The warforged would be a little hard to explain in the family tree. Though they are LA +0.

Goliaths, OTOH...

What's a fangshield?
#6
hijaxx
Mar 15, 2009 4:30:33 Sounds flavorful. i dont see any abuse that instantly pops to my mind, though there may be one.
#7
Kevin_Andrew_Murphy
Mar 15, 2009 5:18:59 I don't think so. I was just looking at the Racial Emulation feat for Changelings and it basically does this already, and even has much the same wording as Emulate Race. So I think it does fit with the intent of the rules (and the much needed and finally good mongrelman makeover into the mongrelfolk).

Of course build-wise, it seems probably better to just play a changelings than mongrelfolk, but I'm thinking there should be some fun things to do with it.
#8
ekluag
Mar 15, 2009 5:21:43 The question would be whether or not they are allowed to take multiple racial subs for the same class, which could be problematic. However, nothing immediately pops into mind, although someone could help me check Here.
Racial feats might be to much and there are some that are definitely unavailable, but the DM can moderate this.
#9
phaedrusxy
Mar 15, 2009 11:43:20
Of course build-wise, it seems probably better to just play a changelings than mongrelfolk

Mongrelfolk get a +4 racial bonus to Con. I'd take them over changeling for lots of builds.
#10
volatris
Mar 15, 2009 14:11:06 Strong feats that are resticted to a race that normally don't get mixed together:
Able Learner (human)
Trivial Knowledge (gnome)
Yondalla's Sense (halfling)
Ancestral Knowledge (dwarf)
Dragonwrought (kobold)
#11
tshern
Mar 15, 2009 15:30:06 But I still don't think that makes Mongrelfolk too powerful. Dragonwrought is crap for them (they'd only get +2 wis and +1 int and cha) as well as Able learner due to their intelligence penalty. While not too bad, still not overwhelmingly good.

This is not a bad modification. A very tasteful one, if you ask me, but definitely puts Mongrelfolk to a high tier of races.
#12
atomickitkat
Mar 15, 2009 19:59:21 Their ancestry is limited to the 7 base PHB races though. Personally, when you mentioned Racial Feats, I was thinking of Gnoll Ferocity. Not that it would have been too helpful though.:P

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Kevin_Andrew_Murphy Mar 15, 2009 0:03:49	This is both a rules question and a bit of a building challenge. Since it follows the logic of the race, I was thinking of allowing Mongrelfolk to take any racial feats they might qualify for, from any race, but in addition let them also take any racial substitution levels from any of the races, assuming they're the right class. The question is, is this workable, or is there some PunPun level god-killer lurking in this rules interpretation?
#2 CantripN Mar 15, 2009 0:14:28	Not RAW, but I don't see any particular abuse that's too great.
#3 PlzBreakMyCampaign Mar 15, 2009 0:52:52	Sounds flavorful, atleast
#4 CantripN Mar 15, 2009 1:02:28	But be sure to limit this to LA +0, Humanoid races. Otherwise, I can see people using this for Goliath, Warforged or Fangshield Subs.
#5 Kevin_Andrew_Murphy Mar 15, 2009 4:14:14	But be sure to limit this to LA +0, Humanoid races. Otherwise, I can see people using this for Goliath, Warforged or Fangshield Subs. The warforged would be a little hard to explain in the family tree. Though they are LA +0. Goliaths, OTOH... What's a fangshield?
#6 hijaxx Mar 15, 2009 4:30:33	Sounds flavorful. i dont see any abuse that instantly pops to my mind, though there may be one.
#7 Kevin_Andrew_Murphy Mar 15, 2009 5:18:59	I don't think so. I was just looking at the Racial Emulation feat for Changelings and it basically does this already, and even has much the same wording as Emulate Race. So I think it does fit with the intent of the rules (and the much needed and finally good mongrelman makeover into the mongrelfolk). Of course build-wise, it seems probably better to just play a changelings than mongrelfolk, but I'm thinking there should be some fun things to do with it.
#8 ekluag Mar 15, 2009 5:21:43	The question would be whether or not they are allowed to take multiple racial subs for the same class, which could be problematic. However, nothing immediately pops into mind, although someone could help me check Here. Racial feats might be to much and there are some that are definitely unavailable, but the DM can moderate this.
#9 phaedrusxy Mar 15, 2009 11:43:20	Of course build-wise, it seems probably better to just play a changelings than mongrelfolk Mongrelfolk get a +4 racial bonus to Con. I'd take them over changeling for lots of builds.
#10 volatris Mar 15, 2009 14:11:06	Strong feats that are resticted to a race that normally don't get mixed together: Able Learner (human) Trivial Knowledge (gnome) Yondalla's Sense (halfling) Ancestral Knowledge (dwarf) Dragonwrought (kobold)
#11 tshern Mar 15, 2009 15:30:06	But I still don't think that makes Mongrelfolk too powerful. Dragonwrought is crap for them (they'd only get +2 wis and +1 int and cha) as well as Able learner due to their intelligence penalty. While not too bad, still not overwhelmingly good. This is not a bad modification. A very tasteful one, if you ask me, but definitely puts Mongrelfolk to a high tier of races.
#12 atomickitkat Mar 15, 2009 19:59:21	Their ancestry is limited to the 7 base PHB races though. Personally, when you mentioned Racial Feats, I was thinking of Gnoll Ferocity. Not that it would have been too helpful though.:P