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My Divine Warlock

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#1
gargamella
Apr 16, 2009 6:46:50 this is the build:

3lvl Archivist
2lvl Warlock
5lvl Eldritch Disciple
1lvl Sacred Exorcist
3lvl Hellfire Warlock
5lvl Eldritch Disciple
1lvl Mystic Theurge

feats:
Extended Spell [PH]
Persistent Spell [CArc?]
Practiced Spellcaster (Archivist) [CArc]
Bind Vestige (Naberius) [ToM]
Divine Metamagic (Persistent) [CD]
Craven [FR-CoR]

Rce: Neraph (Planar Handbook)
at lvl 12: Polymorph Any Object → Kelvezu (MM2)

The idea is clear i think:
i use Nightsticks, Ioun Stone, beads of karma to get more turn undead
and i make persistant:
dicvine might (dunno if this right i mean the spell that increase my BaB)
Hunter's Eye (PH2)
Greater Invisibility

than i use Eldritch glaive [Dragon Magic] to hit and i'll make:

7d6 (Eldritch Blast) +2d6 (Chasuble of Fell Power) +6d6 (Hellfire Blast) +8d6 (Kelvezu Sneak Attack) +6d6 (Hunter's Eye Spell Persistente PHBII) + 1d6 rougue's vest +20 (Craven)

each hit (with my BaB bost i could make even more attacks.. maybe i'll reach 4.. )

My questions are:
1) what do u think about this build (TheBard make it)?
2) at lvl 5 i make the second lvl of warlock to get req: knowledge religion 8 rancks... u think i should make samthing else?
3) what can i do for the lost of 1 cos point each time i use Hellfire Blast?
4) any idea for invocation/spells/items to increase my damage?

thx a lot for ur help
#2
reis
Apr 16, 2009 7:20:55 by RAW I dont think you can use more than one nightstick because the bonus can't stack with itself.
#3
Koenig
Apr 16, 2009 7:26:24
3) what can i do for the lost of 1 cos point each time i use Hellfire Blast?

With Shape Soulmeld (Strongheart Vest) you gain DR 1/- against ability damage.
#4
tshern
Apr 16, 2009 7:32:56
by RAW I dont think you can use more than one nightstick because the bonus can't stack with itself.

It is not a bonus, it simply gives more turn attempts. This is like claiming you cannot use multiple metamagic rods during the same day.
#5
dr_rocktopus
Apr 16, 2009 9:49:08 Tshern has the right of it. Basically, you just roll around with a bunch of rods on your belt, and when the time comes to smite your b'ch up, you grab a rod and prepare to roll dps.
#6
gargamella
Apr 16, 2009 12:33:27
With Shape Soulmeld (Strongheart Vest) you gain DR 1/- against ability damage.

thx for answer q3

waiting for more answers also on q1-2-4
#7
dawnmor
Apr 16, 2009 12:47:32 Well, that could work but Archavist doesnt get Turn undead and you need that to qualify for ED. Also get Divine power to get your lvl as the max BAB you can get, then toss in a adapted version of the Abj Champ for divine , that way you now get your Caster Level based on your BAB which should increase as you lvl up .

So by lvl 20, you should have a BAB 20/15/10/6/1 deal, and a CL of 20 as well :P
#8
dr_rocktopus
Apr 16, 2009 14:34:24 Turn Undead can be......acquired. If you check the Ruby Reaver builds in my sig, you'll see two different ways to acquire turn undead articulated in them. :: shrugs ::
#9
gilfalas_elaandrin
Apr 16, 2009 15:35:18
With Shape Soulmeld (Strongheart Vest) you gain DR 1/- against ability damage.

Helllfire blast explicitly states it does not work if the damage to con is in any way prevented. A wand of Lesser Resto should be fine to deal with the con damage after the fact.

Plus your listing Hunter's Eye twice in your damage total. You cannot benefit from two castings of the same spell, even if one is persisted and the other is not. They are the same spell and as such they cannot stack. Just like you cannot cast a persisted Bull's Str and a regular one for +8 Str.
#10
gorfnad_the_shiznit
Apr 16, 2009 20:55:23 What about Warlock 6/ Mindbender 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 8/ Hellfire Warlock 3?
Feats:
Human
1. Iron Will, Spell Focus Evil
3. Extend Spell
6. Persistent Spell
9. Mindsight
12. DMM Persistent
15. Dark Speech (or Flyby Attack :evillaugh )
18. Bind Vestige (Naberius)

9th level divine spells, dark invocations, rebuke undead,and hellfire blast
2 flaws will net you Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot.
#11
gargamella
Apr 17, 2009 12:57:05
What about Warlock 6/ Mindbender 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 8/ Hellfire Warlock 3?
Feats:
Human
1. Iron Will, Spell Focus Evil
3. Extend Spell
6. Persistent Spell
9. Mindsight
12. DMM Persistent
15. Dark Speech (or Flyby Attack :evillaugh )
18. Bind Vestige (Naberius)

9th level divine spells, dark invocations, rebuke undead,and hellfire blast
2 flaws will net you Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot.

thats a solution but if possible i prefere not to be evil... in my build i was CG...
#12
thinblade
Apr 18, 2009 0:40:35 There have been long, vicious flame wars regarding Strongheart Vest. For a summary, see my Warlock Information Compilation (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=751117) My personal opinion is that it works, since in effect you're sucking off a piece of universal soul energy instead of giving it yourself. Plus, DR 1/- doesn't make you immune to damage. Others hold the opposite view. End result: check with your DM.

Otherwise, Binder 1 will definitely work. Don't get Naberius through a feat, since you can't regen the point if you can't bind him, and to bind you need the level of Binder.

If you're desperate for damage, you could always get SA by the ToB feat martial stance: assassin's stance, and then go into unseen seer to increase it. Or go the psionic shot route, though that's feat intensive.
#13
gargamella
Apr 18, 2009 3:03:23
There have been long, vicious flame wars regarding Strongheart Vest. For a summary, see my Warlock Information Compilation (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=751117) My personal opinion is that it works, since in effect you're sucking off a piece of universal soul energy instead of giving it yourself. Plus, DR 1/- doesn't make you immune to damage. Others hold the opposite view. End result: check with your DM.

Otherwise, Binder 1 will definitely work. Don't get Naberius through a feat, since you can't regen the point if you can't bind him, and to bind you need the level of Binder.

If you're desperate for damage, you could always get SA by the ToB feat martial stance: assassin's stance, and then go into unseen seer to increase it. Or go the psionic shot route, though that's feat intensive.

well i'm not desperate for damage since i think my average damage each attack (at lvl 20 are 5) it's enugh for my party...
My Idea is:
get persistent spells (invisibility greater, divine power, Hunter's Eye)
at lvl 12 polymorph any Object --> kelvezu [MM2]
The problem is how... c'ose i need turn undead to get ED...
I need to take tourn undead AND the ability to make all divine spells...

As i need 5 lvls to get knowledge religion 8 rancks (req for ED) i could make:
1--> Cleric
2-->Archivist
3-->Archivist
4-->Archivist
5-->Warlock
than enter in the ED and continue my build
#14
dr_rocktopus
Apr 18, 2009 3:31:23 http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1164534
This outlines a way to get turn undead. You may find it unpalatable though. :|
#15
gargamella
Apr 18, 2009 8:08:13
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1164534
This outlines a way to get turn undead. You may find it unpalatable though. :|

i touht 1cleric 3archanist 1 warlock and than ED could work?
what about this solution?

and ofc i'll cut off Exorcist
#16
dr_rocktopus
Apr 18, 2009 11:38:36 well, it does work, but using the phylactery + assume supernatural ability can be done with any leveling layout. Basically, you shift into the demon's form, and use assume supernatural to pick up his turn undead ability. Voila, good to go.
#17
gargamella
Apr 18, 2009 11:52:39
well, it does work, but using the phylactery + assume supernatural ability can be done with any leveling layout. Basically, you shift into the demon's form, and use assume supernatural to pick up his turn undead ability. Voila, good to go.

the problem is that i already shift into Kelvezu (MM2)
#18
muertog
Apr 18, 2009 12:12:21
well i'm not desperate for damage since i think my average damage each attack (at lvl 20 are 5) it's enugh for my party...
My Idea is:
get persistent spells (invisibility greater, divine power, Hunter's Eye)
at lvl 12 polymorph any Object --> kelvezu [MM2]
The problem is how... c'ose i need turn undead to get ED...
I need to take tourn undead AND the ability to make all divine spells...

As i need 5 lvls to get knowledge religion 8 rancks (req for ED) i could make:
1--> Cleric
2-->Archivist
3-->Archivist
4-->Archivist
5-->Warlock
than enter in the ED and continue my build

Why persist invisibility if you can just take the warlock invocation that grants invisibility at will? Other than to attack with sneak repeatedly.

Then again, I played with DMs that would load up on dispelling screens and other dispel magics to get around persisted cheese.
#19
gargamella
Apr 18, 2009 17:41:26
Why persist invisibility if you can just take the warlock invocation that grants invisibility at will? Other than to attack with sneak repeatedly.

Then again, I played with DMs that would load up on dispelling screens and other dispel magics to get around persisted cheese.

in this way i think i should make the invocation that grants inisibility and in the next round i have sneak attack.

If i have persistent greter invisibility i can have sneak attack every round...

does it right?
#20
gargamella
Apr 22, 2009 2:50:49 what ather ways to overcome con damage? I find this:
the incarnum soulmeld Strongheart Vest and the vestige Naberius...
anything else?

remeber i can use divine spells... and make them permanent...
#21
gargamella
Apr 24, 2009 3:00:21 any idea for my last feat?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 gargamella Apr 16, 2009 6:46:50	this is the build: 3lvl Archivist 2lvl Warlock 5lvl Eldritch Disciple 1lvl Sacred Exorcist 3lvl Hellfire Warlock 5lvl Eldritch Disciple 1lvl Mystic Theurge feats: Extended Spell [PH] Persistent Spell [CArc?] Practiced Spellcaster (Archivist) [CArc] Bind Vestige (Naberius) [ToM] Divine Metamagic (Persistent) [CD] Craven [FR-CoR] Rce: Neraph (Planar Handbook) at lvl 12: Polymorph Any Object → Kelvezu (MM2) The idea is clear i think: i use Nightsticks, Ioun Stone, beads of karma to get more turn undead and i make persistant: dicvine might (dunno if this right i mean the spell that increase my BaB) Hunter's Eye (PH2) Greater Invisibility than i use Eldritch glaive [Dragon Magic] to hit and i'll make: 7d6 (Eldritch Blast) +2d6 (Chasuble of Fell Power) +6d6 (Hellfire Blast) +8d6 (Kelvezu Sneak Attack) +6d6 (Hunter's Eye Spell Persistente PHBII) + 1d6 rougue's vest +20 (Craven) each hit (with my BaB bost i could make even more attacks.. maybe i'll reach 4.. ) My questions are: 1) what do u think about this build (TheBard make it)? 2) at lvl 5 i make the second lvl of warlock to get req: knowledge religion 8 rancks... u think i should make samthing else? 3) what can i do for the lost of 1 cos point each time i use Hellfire Blast? 4) any idea for invocation/spells/items to increase my damage? thx a lot for ur help
#2 reis Apr 16, 2009 7:20:55	by RAW I dont think you can use more than one nightstick because the bonus can't stack with itself.
#3 Koenig Apr 16, 2009 7:26:24	3) what can i do for the lost of 1 cos point each time i use Hellfire Blast? With Shape Soulmeld (Strongheart Vest) you gain DR 1/- against ability damage.
#4 tshern Apr 16, 2009 7:32:56	by RAW I dont think you can use more than one nightstick because the bonus can't stack with itself. It is not a bonus, it simply gives more turn attempts. This is like claiming you cannot use multiple metamagic rods during the same day.
#5 dr_rocktopus Apr 16, 2009 9:49:08	Tshern has the right of it. Basically, you just roll around with a bunch of rods on your belt, and when the time comes to smite your b'ch up, you grab a rod and prepare to roll dps.
#6 gargamella Apr 16, 2009 12:33:27	With Shape Soulmeld (Strongheart Vest) you gain DR 1/- against ability damage. thx for answer q3 waiting for more answers also on q1-2-4
#7 dawnmor Apr 16, 2009 12:47:32	Well, that could work but Archavist doesnt get Turn undead and you need that to qualify for ED. Also get Divine power to get your lvl as the max BAB you can get, then toss in a adapted version of the Abj Champ for divine , that way you now get your Caster Level based on your BAB which should increase as you lvl up . So by lvl 20, you should have a BAB 20/15/10/6/1 deal, and a CL of 20 as well :P
#8 dr_rocktopus Apr 16, 2009 14:34:24	Turn Undead can be......acquired. If you check the Ruby Reaver builds in my sig, you'll see two different ways to acquire turn undead articulated in them. :: shrugs ::
#9 gilfalas_elaandrin Apr 16, 2009 15:35:18	With Shape Soulmeld (Strongheart Vest) you gain DR 1/- against ability damage. Helllfire blast explicitly states it does not work if the damage to con is in any way prevented. A wand of Lesser Resto should be fine to deal with the con damage after the fact. Plus your listing Hunter's Eye twice in your damage total. You cannot benefit from two castings of the same spell, even if one is persisted and the other is not. They are the same spell and as such they cannot stack. Just like you cannot cast a persisted Bull's Str and a regular one for +8 Str.
#10 gorfnad_the_shiznit Apr 16, 2009 20:55:23	What about Warlock 6/ Mindbender 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 8/ Hellfire Warlock 3? Feats: Human 1. Iron Will, Spell Focus Evil 3. Extend Spell 6. Persistent Spell 9. Mindsight 12. DMM Persistent 15. Dark Speech (or Flyby Attack :evillaugh ) 18. Bind Vestige (Naberius) 9th level divine spells, dark invocations, rebuke undead,and hellfire blast 2 flaws will net you Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot.
#11 gargamella Apr 17, 2009 12:57:05	What about Warlock 6/ Mindbender 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 8/ Hellfire Warlock 3? Feats: Human 1. Iron Will, Spell Focus Evil 3. Extend Spell 6. Persistent Spell 9. Mindsight 12. DMM Persistent 15. Dark Speech (or Flyby Attack :evillaugh ) 18. Bind Vestige (Naberius) 9th level divine spells, dark invocations, rebuke undead,and hellfire blast 2 flaws will net you Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot. thats a solution but if possible i prefere not to be evil... in my build i was CG...
#12 thinblade Apr 18, 2009 0:40:35	There have been long, vicious flame wars regarding Strongheart Vest. For a summary, see my Warlock Information Compilation (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=751117) My personal opinion is that it works, since in effect you're sucking off a piece of universal soul energy instead of giving it yourself. Plus, DR 1/- doesn't make you immune to damage. Others hold the opposite view. End result: check with your DM. Otherwise, Binder 1 will definitely work. Don't get Naberius through a feat, since you can't regen the point if you can't bind him, and to bind you need the level of Binder. If you're desperate for damage, you could always get SA by the ToB feat martial stance: assassin's stance, and then go into unseen seer to increase it. Or go the psionic shot route, though that's feat intensive.
#13 gargamella Apr 18, 2009 3:03:23	There have been long, vicious flame wars regarding Strongheart Vest. For a summary, see my Warlock Information Compilation (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=751117) My personal opinion is that it works, since in effect you're sucking off a piece of universal soul energy instead of giving it yourself. Plus, DR 1/- doesn't make you immune to damage. Others hold the opposite view. End result: check with your DM. Otherwise, Binder 1 will definitely work. Don't get Naberius through a feat, since you can't regen the point if you can't bind him, and to bind you need the level of Binder. If you're desperate for damage, you could always get SA by the ToB feat martial stance: assassin's stance, and then go into unseen seer to increase it. Or go the psionic shot route, though that's feat intensive. well i'm not desperate for damage since i think my average damage each attack (at lvl 20 are 5) it's enugh for my party... My Idea is: get persistent spells (invisibility greater, divine power, Hunter's Eye) at lvl 12 polymorph any Object --> kelvezu [MM2] The problem is how... c'ose i need turn undead to get ED... I need to take tourn undead AND the ability to make all divine spells... As i need 5 lvls to get knowledge religion 8 rancks (req for ED) i could make: 1--> Cleric 2-->Archivist 3-->Archivist 4-->Archivist 5-->Warlock than enter in the ED and continue my build
#14 dr_rocktopus Apr 18, 2009 3:31:23	http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1164534 This outlines a way to get turn undead. You may find it unpalatable though. :\|
#15 gargamella Apr 18, 2009 8:08:13	http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1164534 This outlines a way to get turn undead. You may find it unpalatable though. :\| i touht 1cleric 3archanist 1 warlock and than ED could work? what about this solution? and ofc i'll cut off Exorcist
#16 dr_rocktopus Apr 18, 2009 11:38:36	well, it does work, but using the phylactery + assume supernatural ability can be done with any leveling layout. Basically, you shift into the demon's form, and use assume supernatural to pick up his turn undead ability. Voila, good to go.
#17 gargamella Apr 18, 2009 11:52:39	well, it does work, but using the phylactery + assume supernatural ability can be done with any leveling layout. Basically, you shift into the demon's form, and use assume supernatural to pick up his turn undead ability. Voila, good to go. the problem is that i already shift into Kelvezu (MM2)
#18 muertog Apr 18, 2009 12:12:21	well i'm not desperate for damage since i think my average damage each attack (at lvl 20 are 5) it's enugh for my party... My Idea is: get persistent spells (invisibility greater, divine power, Hunter's Eye) at lvl 12 polymorph any Object --> kelvezu [MM2] The problem is how... c'ose i need turn undead to get ED... I need to take tourn undead AND the ability to make all divine spells... As i need 5 lvls to get knowledge religion 8 rancks (req for ED) i could make: 1--> Cleric 2-->Archivist 3-->Archivist 4-->Archivist 5-->Warlock than enter in the ED and continue my build Why persist invisibility if you can just take the warlock invocation that grants invisibility at will? Other than to attack with sneak repeatedly. Then again, I played with DMs that would load up on dispelling screens and other dispel magics to get around persisted cheese.
#19 gargamella Apr 18, 2009 17:41:26	Why persist invisibility if you can just take the warlock invocation that grants invisibility at will? Other than to attack with sneak repeatedly. Then again, I played with DMs that would load up on dispelling screens and other dispel magics to get around persisted cheese. in this way i think i should make the invocation that grants inisibility and in the next round i have sneak attack. If i have persistent greter invisibility i can have sneak attack every round... does it right?
#20 gargamella Apr 22, 2009 2:50:49	what ather ways to overcome con damage? I find this: the incarnum soulmeld Strongheart Vest and the vestige Naberius... anything else? remeber i can use divine spells... and make them permanent...
#21 gargamella Apr 24, 2009 3:00:21	any idea for my last feat?