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My Monk

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#1
bladesophar
Aug 08, 2009 14:14:27 Ok all you min/maxers, tell me how this looks:

Human

1 Cleric/ 4 Monk/ 10 Sacred Fist/ 3 Fist of the Forest/ ?

Stats:
16 STR
16 DEX
14 CON
14 INT
14 WIS
14 CHA

Feats:

Note: I don't know what exalted feats to get. Although I would prefer staying away from Vow of Nonviolence and Vow of Peace until way later in the build.

1: Sacred Vow, Vow of Poverty (Human Bonus)
2: Stunning Fist, Unarmed Strike
3: Combat Reflexes, Combat Casting
4: -
5: -
6: Power Attack
7: -
8: -
9: Great Fortitude
...
16: This is my first rank in FotF, and I also gain the Feral Template (DM rules)

And from here I have no Idea what feats to get, or even if taking 10 levels in sacred fist is that good. It would just allow me to be our team healer too. As for the ?, what else would be a good class? Feel free to take ranks out of sacred fist (10 is just for RPing) to put more ranks into the monk or ?.

Thank you for putting up with my 3rd topic.
#2
CantripN
Aug 08, 2009 14:37:44 Less Monking, more Spellcasting! And never, ever, take Vow of Poverty unless you're poor or otherwise don't need items.

Simply put, Flurry is bad, and a Monk's Belt solves the rest. Look at Knight of the Raven is you want to fight better.
#3
flawless_p
Aug 09, 2009 4:42:46
Less Monking, more Spellcasting! And never, ever, take Vow of Poverty unless you're poor or otherwise don't need items.

Simply put, Flurry is bad, and a Monk's Belt solves the rest. Look at Knight of the Raven is you want to fight better.

I've seen Vow of Poverty pay off in some of the most heinous ways.

Especially when paired with Vow of Peace.

come on now an incredibly high DC calm emotions...plus murdering peoples weapons is fun.(then again my dm never penalized us for using tactically sound sunder attempts by reducing treasure value at the end of the encounter. )
#4
houkama
Aug 09, 2009 11:53:22 I'm going to say flat out that this build is not going to be optimal, but if that's okay than stick with it. Sometimes, we here at the CO board, like to tell people what to play instead of actually trying to keep the flavor of the original character.

VoP's fine. So is going light on the spellcasting. Grab Nymph's Kiss as soon as you can. (level 2 I guess). Touch of Golden Ice is sweet against evil people with poor fort saves, but if you are going that route, I'd be sure to re-train it before you get vow of peace. Also, I'd swap your dex for your wisdom. There's no reason to have a dex that high, and the extra spells would be useful.

I'd pick up the domain Planning from Spell Compendium. The spells are mostly crap but it grants the extend spell, which you are going to want to make good use of your spells. If you can swing it, I'd grab practiced spellcaster. There are plenty of low-level cleric buffs that are going to be a great boon to you against mooks. The Sun domain has some spells that match the Sacred Fist for flavor.

Alternatively, leap attack from Complete Adventurer doubles the effectiveness of your Power Attack. Or you could always go with Intuitive Strike, especially if you are going with fractional BAB.

I'd almost never suggest this, but if you can swing it, this build would benefit greatly from the Saint template.
#5
Balthanon
Aug 09, 2009 12:34:08
And from here I have no Idea what feats to get, or even if taking 10 levels in sacred fist is that good. It would just allow me to be our team healer too. As for the ?, what else would be a good class? Feel free to take ranks out of sacred fist (10 is just for RPing) to put more ranks into the monk or ?.

Thank you for putting up with my 3rd topic.

If you're looking for monk with a splash of spellcaster rather than vice versa, this should be fine. I would actually suggest taking your monk levels first rather than cleric-- you'll have better skills that way. I would also consider putting in one level of Fist of the Forest earlier to grab the Con to AC (and feral template, if they're paired)-- that boost will likely help you more than your spells given your non-casting focus. I'll also second switching your Dex and Wis scores.

For your last two levels, you should probably go with something that continues your spellcasting. That will get you 6th level spells rather than just 5th (or 7th, depending on where your DM falls in the text vs table debate on sacred fist). If your DM prefers that you finish prestige classes, that could be as simple as taking two more levels of cleric (2 BAB, 2 caster levels, 1 to all saves) and calling it a day.

For your feats, if you have access to Tome of Battle feats you might want to consider Superior Unarmed Strike. Since you don't have access to magic items, that will boost your unarmed strike up 4 levels. Improved Natural Attack would do something similar. Snap Kick could also be useful for increasing the number of attacks you can make.

For the exalted feats, I would agree with Intuitive Attack-- you'll be able to put all of your ability score increases and your best VoP bonus towards Wisdom that way. The more you can focus on a single stat, the better off you are.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 bladesophar Aug 08, 2009 14:14:27	Ok all you min/maxers, tell me how this looks: Human 1 Cleric/ 4 Monk/ 10 Sacred Fist/ 3 Fist of the Forest/ ? Stats: 16 STR 16 DEX 14 CON 14 INT 14 WIS 14 CHA Feats: Note: I don't know what exalted feats to get. Although I would prefer staying away from Vow of Nonviolence and Vow of Peace until way later in the build. 1: Sacred Vow, Vow of Poverty (Human Bonus) 2: Stunning Fist, Unarmed Strike 3: Combat Reflexes, Combat Casting 4: - 5: - 6: Power Attack 7: - 8: - 9: Great Fortitude ... 16: This is my first rank in FotF, and I also gain the Feral Template (DM rules) And from here I have no Idea what feats to get, or even if taking 10 levels in sacred fist is that good. It would just allow me to be our team healer too. As for the ?, what else would be a good class? Feel free to take ranks out of sacred fist (10 is just for RPing) to put more ranks into the monk or ?. Thank you for putting up with my 3rd topic.
#2 CantripN Aug 08, 2009 14:37:44	Less Monking, more Spellcasting! And never, ever, take Vow of Poverty unless you're poor or otherwise don't need items. Simply put, Flurry is bad, and a Monk's Belt solves the rest. Look at Knight of the Raven is you want to fight better.
#3 flawless_p Aug 09, 2009 4:42:46	Less Monking, more Spellcasting! And never, ever, take Vow of Poverty unless you're poor or otherwise don't need items. Simply put, Flurry is bad, and a Monk's Belt solves the rest. Look at Knight of the Raven is you want to fight better. I've seen Vow of Poverty pay off in some of the most heinous ways. Especially when paired with Vow of Peace. come on now an incredibly high DC calm emotions...plus murdering peoples weapons is fun.(then again my dm never penalized us for using tactically sound sunder attempts by reducing treasure value at the end of the encounter. )
#4 houkama Aug 09, 2009 11:53:22	I'm going to say flat out that this build is not going to be optimal, but if that's okay than stick with it. Sometimes, we here at the CO board, like to tell people what to play instead of actually trying to keep the flavor of the original character. VoP's fine. So is going light on the spellcasting. Grab Nymph's Kiss as soon as you can. (level 2 I guess). Touch of Golden Ice is sweet against evil people with poor fort saves, but if you are going that route, I'd be sure to re-train it before you get vow of peace. Also, I'd swap your dex for your wisdom. There's no reason to have a dex that high, and the extra spells would be useful. I'd pick up the domain Planning from Spell Compendium. The spells are mostly crap but it grants the extend spell, which you are going to want to make good use of your spells. If you can swing it, I'd grab practiced spellcaster. There are plenty of low-level cleric buffs that are going to be a great boon to you against mooks. The Sun domain has some spells that match the Sacred Fist for flavor. Alternatively, leap attack from Complete Adventurer doubles the effectiveness of your Power Attack. Or you could always go with Intuitive Strike, especially if you are going with fractional BAB. I'd almost never suggest this, but if you can swing it, this build would benefit greatly from the Saint template.
#5 Balthanon Aug 09, 2009 12:34:08	And from here I have no Idea what feats to get, or even if taking 10 levels in sacred fist is that good. It would just allow me to be our team healer too. As for the ?, what else would be a good class? Feel free to take ranks out of sacred fist (10 is just for RPing) to put more ranks into the monk or ?. Thank you for putting up with my 3rd topic. If you're looking for monk with a splash of spellcaster rather than vice versa, this should be fine. I would actually suggest taking your monk levels first rather than cleric-- you'll have better skills that way. I would also consider putting in one level of Fist of the Forest earlier to grab the Con to AC (and feral template, if they're paired)-- that boost will likely help you more than your spells given your non-casting focus. I'll also second switching your Dex and Wis scores. For your last two levels, you should probably go with something that continues your spellcasting. That will get you 6th level spells rather than just 5th (or 7th, depending on where your DM falls in the text vs table debate on sacred fist). If your DM prefers that you finish prestige classes, that could be as simple as taking two more levels of cleric (2 BAB, 2 caster levels, 1 to all saves) and calling it a day. For your feats, if you have access to Tome of Battle feats you might want to consider Superior Unarmed Strike. Since you don't have access to magic items, that will boost your unarmed strike up 4 levels. Improved Natural Attack would do something similar. Snap Kick could also be useful for increasing the number of attacks you can make. For the exalted feats, I would agree with Intuitive Attack-- you'll be able to put all of your ability score increases and your best VoP bonus towards Wisdom that way. The more you can focus on a single stat, the better off you are.