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#1 katash May 17, 2008 19:41:29	Hi, Am wanting to do a sorcerer type IOSV/Arch Had some help on the build but am after spellist optimisation. I love that sorcerer's can cast any spell they know on the fly, but I chafe at the limited spell selection. Moon Elf Build Sorc9/IOSV7/Arch4 Feats:w/Flaws 1 Penumbra Bloodline, Skill Focus(spellcraft), Otherworldly 3 Arcane Disciple- Trickery domain (we treat it as making all spells KNOWN, usable 1/day) 6 Spll Focus Abj 9Gtr Spl Focus Abj 12Shadow Weave Magic (PGTF) 15Spell Focus Necro 18Mother Cyst I took Penumbra Bloodline, Arcane Disciple (trickery), and the Otherworldly Feat to expand the spellist and setup Alterself/Polymorph nonsense later. My focus for this god is BC, Debuff. Don't care about buffing we've got a cleric. Problems: 1.Now I've got a list of the pretty most awesome spells (thankyou Treantmonk) but unsure of the best ones to take as spells known. 2.I'm not sure but do the shadow evocation and greater versions from my bloodline mean no need to learn the good evocation spells known (my understanding is it allows another chance to save- does this make these spells still viable)- there are SOME pearls there I really want, Wings of flurry springs to mind. 3. I will take Alterself and polymorph- yes I know with otherworldly it's broken. But it's fun and the DM doesn't mind (considers it a challenge) After picking the final spells known list- what ones can be swapped out for better choices later. Man I wish there was a sorcerer handbook. Possible spells known: Colored ones I know from feats 0- Read Magic, Detect Magic 1-Benign Transposition (SpC), Grease (PHB), Karmic Aura (CM), Shield, Kelgore's Firebolt,Ray of Enfeeblement, Ray of Clumsiness, Obscuring Mist, Disguise Self 2-Web, Ray of Stupidity, Alter Self, Earth Lock, Schorching Ray, Glitterdust, Invisibility, Rope Trick, Baleful Transposition, Wraithstrike, Seeking Ray, Darkness, Invisability 3- Dispel Magic, Great Thunderclap, Magic Circle Against Evil, Many Jaws, Phantom Steed, Ray of Exhaustion, Haste, Slow, Sonorous Hum, Shivering Touch, Blacklight, Nondetection 4- Resistance, Greater , Polymorph, Wings of Flurry, Dispelling Screen, Resilient Sphere, Greater Invisibility, Defenestrating Sphere, Greater Mirror Image, Evard's Black Tentacles, Confusion 5- Prismatic Ray, Lightning Leap, Magic Jar, Gtr Electric Vengence, Wall of Stone, Dominate Person, Feeblemind, Baleful Polymorph, False Vision, Shadow Evocation 6-Chain Lightning, Contingency, Planar Binding, Dispel Magic, Greater, Repulsion, Acid Fog, Disintegrate, Resistance, Superior, Howling Chain, Extract Water Elemental, Shadow Walk, Mislead 7-Project Image, Radient Assault, Waves of Exhaustion, Banishment, Stun Ray, Avasculate, Plane Shift, Screen 8- Gtr Planar Binding, Lightning Ring, Horrid Wilting, Mind Blank, Gtr Shadow Evocation, Polymorph any Object, 9-Sphere of Ultimate Destruction, Shapechange, Maw of Chaos, Prismatic Sphere, Summon Elemental Monolith, Etherealness, Time Stop, At lvl 18 I'll learn the Cyst Spells (LM) which includes a Permanent Dominate type spell (Minions-Yayyyy!!)
#2 katash May 17, 2008 19:46:38	Can I get help picking the best spells known from these? Below is what I'm thinking of settling on. Keep in mind spell preq for IOSV. I'm think I've sorted a great spellist, so I'm just asking if this meets a God's Requirements-as much as a sorcerer is able to anyway. Colored spells are from feats 0- Read Magic, Detect Magic, Resistance 1-Benign Transposition (SpC), Grease (PHB), Karmic Aura (CM), Shield, Kelgore's Firebolt, (to be swapped for ray of enfeeblement Obscuring Mist, , Disguise Self 2-Web, Ray of Stupidity, Alter Self, Earth Lock, (to be swapped for glitterdust) Scorching Ray, (to be swapped for rope trick) Darkness, Invisability 3- Dispel Magic, (swap for phantom steed when Gtr learned) Magic Circle Against Evil, Slow (swap for Ray of exhaustion) Shivering Touch Nondetection 4- Resistance, Greater Polymorph, Wings of Flurry, Dispelling Screen, Evard's Black Tentacles, Confusion 5- Prismatic Ray, Lightning Leap, Magic Jar, Wall of Stone Shadow Evocation, False Vision 6-Chain Lightning, Contingency (swap for Extract Water Elemental) Planar Binding (swap for Gtr Dispel Magic) Shadow Walk, Mislead 7-Project Image, Waves of Exhaustion, Avasculate, Plane Shift, Screen 8- Gtr Planar Binding, Lightning Ring, Horrid Wilting, Gtr Shadow Evocation, Polymorph any Object 9-Sphere of Ultimate Destruction, Shapechange, Maw of Chaos, Etherealness, Time Stop Shadow Evocation- Emulate Many Jaws Sonorus Hum Great Thunderclap Blacklight Resilient Sphere Ice Storm Defenstrating Sphere Wing Bind Fireball Gtr Shadow Evocation- Emulate Howling Chain Contingency Grasping Hand Forcecage Delayed Blast Fireball I still have 6 cantrips to pick but I reckon their impact is probably minimal, but advice would be good.
#3 gaffer May 20, 2008 10:00:35	Looks solid, honestly. I could see swapping some redundant direct damage for more crowd control, though. Also, 9 Sorc levels? Eww.
#4 altpersona May 20, 2008 11:06:34	preped caster feat and MotAO? all phb sorc spells on demand?