Kinda like when Tsuyoshikentsu and Tempest Stormwind confirmed they had worked on the Rules Compendium.
And, uh, you wanna give us some hints ...
... pretty please.NDA'ers : 4th Edition has gone to print, so ... any of you want to "out" yourselves ???
Kinda like when Tsuyoshikentsu and Tempest Stormwind confirmed they had worked on the Rules Compendium.
And, uh, you wanna give us some hints ...
I confirmed that first, dammit!
And I'm sure they'll out themselves whenever 4E actually appears on the shelves.
Or if they actually succomb to the prodding of anxious board members.
Or if they forget they signed an NDA.
{ ... by the way, I wasn't talking about out outing, I was just, well I'll stop ... }
But that's the thing, there's always a chance for MORE glory ...
Or use Iron Heart Surge to remove the NDA.
Heh.
Or use Iron Heart Surge to remove the NDA.
Wouldn't the "no talking" part of the NDA stop them from making a Roar of EffortTM to do that?
Wouldn't the "no talking" part of the NDA stop them from making a Roar of EffortTM to do that?
Ah, but the NDA stops you from disclosing information. It says nothing about being unable to vocalize anything.
Feels like someone should be quoting Fight Club here...
His name is Robert Paulson. ;)
And the first rule of 4E testing is, YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT 4E TESTING.
Spoken like a true 4e tester. ;) :P
Shhh.
And the first rule of 4E testing is, YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT 4E TESTING.
The second rule of 4th Edition-testing? You do not talk about 4th Edition-testing.
Oh, I freaking WISH.
I know you wish, but I thought you certainly had 17th level wizard casting by now.
No talking about it...
Shhh.
0_o
His name is Robert Paulson. ;)
His name is Robert Paulson :P .
In all seriousness, though, I just wanna play the game already!.
Feels like someone should be quoting Fight Club here...
"I am tsuyoshikentsu's repressed urge to disclose...."
And, uh, you wanna give us some hints ...
How about not? That should be pretty obvious that even if they say who they are (which at this point may be ok- I will find out though) you know that secrets are just asking for trouble, right?
I'm curious though how it became public knowledge that there were CO reviewers?
Also, to be clear, there was no CO playtest, just a review.
I'm curious though how it became public knowledge that there were CO reviewers?
Also, to be clear, there was no CO playtest, just a review.
Well, no one said anything about 'reviewers' until you, but given that we know there have been CO people involved on previous projects, it was a safe bet that some were involved in 4th ed in some capacity. The OP seems to have assumed play testers as I did while reading the thread until I got to your post.
Kinda like when Tsuyoshikentsu and Tempest Stormwind confirmed they had worked on the Rules Compendium.
Wait what? Really? When/where was that?! Jeez you go two weeks without looking at the boards and look what you miss.
Guess that's why TS "Current Project" was "Top Secert" for a good long time.
Well, no one said anything about 'reviewers' until you, but given that we know there have been CO people involved on previous projects, it was a safe bet that some were involved in 4th ed in some capacity. The OP seems to have assumed play testers as I did while reading the thread until I got to your post.
Oh snap, we just got info by speculation!
Well, no one said anything about 'reviewers' until you, but given that we know there have been CO people involved on previous projects, it was a safe bet that some were involved in 4th ed in some capacity. The OP seems to have assumed play testers as I did while reading the thread until I got to your post.
Don't think about pink elephants, don't think about pink elephants, don't think about pink elephants...
Crap.
Show
There's Fighters, Clerics, Rogues, Wizards, and some other stuff.
There's also equipment.
There's also magic.
Rules for fighting are included.
There's also equipment.
There's also magic.
Rules for fighting are included.
His name is Robert Paulson :P .
In all seriousness, though, I just wanna play the game already!.
His name is Robert Paulson. :D
Here's some snipits for you; I don't really care if I get banned for this:ShowThere's Fighters, Clerics, Rogues, Wizards, and some other stuff.
There's also equipment.
There's also magic.
Rules for fighting are included.
(note to self: watch the movie)
Also, to be clear, there was no CO playtest, just a review.
Understandable. I, however, like the fact that we have been discussing the official errata here on the boards and an actual WotC representative, who is working with those came in talked to us about them. Moreover, Sage's idea of tackling the Book of Heavily Debated Topics was great even if some of us want to disagree with his opinions. Often times WotC just seems like a corporation that publishes books without caring about the actual mechanical content, but those two instances changed my opinion and while I love digging up loopholes and breakability to amuse myself, it is great to see that there are real people reading this board.
All in all, we have so many active users, a level of collective intelligence and enthusiasm that I have hard time believing that Wizards of the Coast team can actually match it. That is why I appreciate the fact that some of you people come here every now and then and tell you are real people and know that there are keens fans such as us.
To you Autumn_serene and all of you who have contributed to the occasional visits on this board, I present my honest gratitude. Keep up the good work with 4e.
....while I love digging up loopholes and breakability to amuse myself, it is great to see that there are real people reading this board.
...As opposed to us not-real people?
Ok, I asked and was told they'd prefer to wait on all playtesters/reviewers "outing" themselves just yet, but that they will be able to soon. I think there is going to be some sort of officially announcement type thing. FYI.
I don't think that it's that important for the playtesters to reveal themselves.
...As opposed to us not-real people?
The fact that tshern can distinguish between the real people and the robots is scary. I can't do that yet.
The fact that tshern can distinguish between the real people and the robots is scary. I can't do that yet.
I resent this notion that Warforged aren't "real people" just because they're bots.
...As opposed to us not-real people?
Ummm, yeah? Apparently you have never heard of people summoned with Shadow conjuration. Even if they are 120% real, they are still not real.
The fact that tshern can distinguish between the real people and the robots is scary. I can't do that yet.
Watching a lot of scifi stuff helps.
Watching a lot of SciFi Channel stuff helps.
Fix'd!
I resent this notion that Warforged aren't "real people" just because they're bots.
Ummm, yeah? Apparently you have never heard of people summoned with Shadow conjuration. Even if they are 120% real, they are still not real.
What do you think the fantasy equivalent of the Turing Test would be? If a shadow conjuration human can fool a wizard into thinking it's a regular human....
Ummm, yeah? Apparently you have never heard of people summoned with Shadow conjuration. Even if they are 120% real, they are still not real.
No, no, those are athletes. (What did you THINK giving the game 110% meant?)
Hey look, we've been updated:
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I'm feeling a little "previous" today myself.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put the noodle in someone's head that they should break an NDA on my account. But I'm really talking about board Personas, not the so called "real" person behind them. I was quite upset to learn that Tsuyoshikentsu was "really" named T-something. ACK !! I've blocked it out. It's kinda like Jay-Z is "officially" Shawn Carver. That sucks. I didn't/don't wanna know.
I am willing to at least ... try ... to figure out what I should call Wiz-Autu-Meg-erene, over on the Can'tspellgameologists.board.
Have you guys seen the posters who use the same avatar as Khan ??
It's just plain old weird, and only scares me for a moment, and then it doesn't.
Actually, the .secretproject in Tempest's sig is something he and I have been working on, here and there, before 4e was even announced. Entirely unrelated.
:lightbulb DM: Your Epic Divination failed.
Me: LIAR !!!
I am willing to at least ... try ... to figure out what I should call Wiz-Autu-Meg-erene, over on the Can'tspellgameologists.board.
Actually, drop the "Wiz". I'm no longer a WizO.
Actually, drop the "Wiz". I'm no longer a WizO.
Well, the WizO_Autumn link in your sig still goes to the WizO_Autumn profile, so...you're technically still a WizO, right? Or at least, there is somewhere a WizO_Autumn; whether you log in and/or use that account is another issue.
Going on a tangent for a moment, do you mind my asking why/how not? I know there was a big to-do over the Volunteer Lead/Forum So-and-so/Community Whatsit thing, and that Gamer_Zer0 has been...less than competent at handling the transition, but I haven't really kept up to date with who's who and how things are with WizOs now.
DM: Your Epic Divination failed.
Me: LIAR !!!
Blocked by RT's Personal Mind Blank. One of your factors was "defeats Mind Blank" but you failed to include "defeats Personal Mind Blank", forgetting that RT is psionic.
Blocked by RT's Personal Mind Blank. One of your factors was "defeats Mind Blank" but you failed to include "defeats Personal Mind Blank", forgetting that RT is psionic.
Told you psionics were broken! Now I can go back to my Incantatrix Shadowcraft Mage!
Well, the WizO_Autumn link in your sig still goes to the WizO_Autumn profile, so...you're technically still a WizO, right? Or at least, there is somewhere a WizO_Autumn; whether you log in and/or use that account is another issue.
Going on a tangent for a moment, do you mind my asking why/how not? I know there was a big to-do over the Volunteer Lead/Forum So-and-so/Community Whatsit thing, and that Gamer_Zer0 has been...less than competent at handling the transition, but I haven't really kept up to date with who's who and how things are with WizOs now.
On semantics. How do I love thee. I was WizO Autumn for 7 years but a week ago today lost that title.
The Community service program is changing and requires many more hours a week than I can provide. I have a normal, full time plus job plus many side projects, one of which is my podcast BrilliantGameologists.com and forums BrilliantGameologists.com/boards. Community Management has nothing to do with CS. I'm under G0 for the VCL thing which is also expiring in a week and I have to reapply for.
I have a normal, full time plus job plus many side projects, one of which is my podcast BrilliantGameologists.com and forums BrilliantGameologists.com/boards. Community Management has nothing to do with CS. I'm under G0 for the VCL thing which is also expiring in a week and I have to reapply for.
Thanks for the explanation; I'll have to read some threads on your forum, see if it's any better organized than this one. On a related note, I'll be dropping apples for an hour tomorrow to check that gravity is still working. ;)
Thanks for the explanation; I'll have to read some threads on your forum, see if it's any better organized than this one. On a related note, I'll be dropping apples for an hour tomorrow to check that gravity is still working. ;)
(No one tell him, but I cast reverse gravity on his test area.)
What do you think the fantasy equivalent of the Turing Test would be? If a shadow conjuration human can fool a wizard into thinking it's a regular human....
Does he get to use True Seeing?
EDIT: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080509a
Looks like the Roar of Effort worked.
You did not see this information, nor is this information true in anyway. However, there is at least one game is like this and I have played them within the last week.
Well played.
(Also: before anybody thinks you can turn the warforged into Pun-Pun using that first ability, Wizards already stopped it. Once per adventure, a warforged trips and loses all his acquired powers. Sorry guys.)
In 4E, warforge have a racial power to aquire one encounter power from any boss level monster. At paragon teir they can summon a red construct dog, said dog has three 1/day powers, flight, a +4 bonus to jump checks, and can grant a swim speed. At epic, the dog can fuse with the warforged into one of two forms. melee-bot (working name) which has unarmed strikes at a monk's level, the other allows for a fly speed.
You did not see this information, nor is this information true in anyway. However, there is at least one game is like this and I have played them within the last week.
Don't they come equipped with an arm cannon also, or was it considered to be overpowered?
I don't know about you guys but I don't go around healing people as a druid or cleric. I do that as a kobold favored soul of talos because most my fun is out of combat anyway since I have 8 intelligence and 8 wisdom. Me: "I set up a fire and dance on it." DM: "some town citizens point at you and a man in white robes draws his sword and hustles towards you and a white horse appears from thin air" Me: "I keep dancing" DM: "Defend yourself!" Me: "I run away into my house and try to wake my friends!" DM: "the man draws a fan and there's suddently a storm and a gust of wind blows you towards him roll a fortitude save" Me: "10+10 = 20 woot" DM: "you get blown back 60 feet" Me: "A STORM ZOMG TALOS WANTS ME TO FIGHT!!! TALOS!!!!"
Anyway druids can heal as well as clerics and other classes get better healing options. Since no one likes to play a healer in my group I usually play PW, Crusader, Warlock, any Divine, rogues with UMD, bards, and gnome illusionists (if you get hurt as an illusionist after round 1 something is wrong with your illusion skills). I wish I could play a barbarian or something and get a heal for the next fight. grumble grumble.
BELT OF HEALING IS ONLY 6D6 A DAY!
(No one tell him, but I cast reverse gravity on his test area.)
(So, you're still just 13th level then? I guess Limited Wish just doesn't cut it then does it.)
...Yes, I INSIST on getting this punchline noticed!
DM: Your Epic Divination failed.
Me: LIAR !!!
S'true. I'll let you guys know when it's done.
Blocked by RT's Personal Mind Blank. One of your factors was "defeats Mind Blank" but you failed to include "defeats Personal Mind Blank", forgetting that RT is psionic.
It gets better. I have 9 levels in Slayer (reflavored; my enemy of choice is "psiconics r bbrooken!!1" trolls).
What do you think the fantasy equivalent of the Turing Test would be? If a shadow conjuration human can fool a wizard into thinking it's a regular human....
Nahh. Easy extra credit with a little enchantment on top.
In 4E, warforge have a racial power to aquire one encounter power from any boss level monster. At paragon teir they can summon a red construct dog, said dog has three 1/day powers, flight, a +4 bonus to jump checks, and can grant a swim speed. At epic, the dog can fuse with the warforged into one of two forms. melee-bot (working name) which has unarmed strikes at a monk's level, the other allows for a fly speed.
You did not see this information, nor is this information true in anyway. However, there is at least one game is like this and I have played them within the last week.
But , BUT , this means that Skin of the Construct in CPsi is more powerful than Epic in 4E !!! at 3rd level.
And that's !@#$$%^^(?"
List of playtesters here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080509a
Also in the article:
And yes, that means it’s safe to confirm that you were a 4th Edition playtester; but remember that Non-Disclosure Agreement: No talking details until June 6th!
There's no such thing as 4e playtesting.
Then again I have very little background in the subtle arts of advertisment and economics.
True story ... I have a friend of mine who's a web developer and wrote a book on a popular scripting toolset. There are formulas and expectations of sales, etc. both for the initial run and for the second printings, etc. Initial run was locked at a base amount, the real kicker was seeing how much the second and subsequent runs would be.
We live in the computer age. Someone threw a PDF of the file on a few sites a month before the publication date. Initial run was fine ... but those subsequent runs were lacking because everyone could nab the book for free if they really wanted. Sure, if you wanted a hard copy you bought it anyway ... but the great many computer dudes that didn't mind the softcopy (indexed and searchable no less) just didn't buy it.
(No one tell him, but I cast reverse gravity on his test area.)
(So, you're still just 13th level then? I guess Limited Wish just doesn't cut it then does it.)
...Yes, I INSIST on getting this punchline noticed!
Ooh, you can reverse gravity, I'm so scared. I see your reverse gravity and raise you antimagic field.
What do you think the fantasy equivalent of the Turing Test would be? If a shadow conjuration human can fool a wizard into thinking it's a regular human....
Nahh. Easy extra credit with a little enchantment on top.
Any Wizard worth his Int score would never be fooled by that, 120% or not. With a psion helping the shadow conjuration out, however....
How about not? That should be pretty obvious that even if they say who they are (which at this point may be ok- I will find out though) you know that secrets are just asking for trouble, right?
I'm curious though how it became public knowledge that there were CO reviewers?
Also, to be clear, there was no CO playtest, just a review.
Some girl named Autumn told us in this post here.
Ooh, you can reverse gravity, I'm so scared. I see your reverse gravity and raise you antimagic field.
I see your antimagic field and raise you an Outer Realms Planar Shepherd.
Yannik Braal, Yoerik de Voogd, Yvan Boily, Zephreum Humphreys
rly?
Some girl named Autumn told us in this post here.
The post that was made after this thread? Hm, not sure how time and space work on your end but... :P
Though I don't see our group on that list
That stinks. Oh well.
But, if anyone would like to raise their hand and confirm they were part of the CharOp review, you can finally say so!
Before anyone reviels themselves I bet one paladin with 18 charisma and 97 hit points wearing a helm of disintigration that deals 1d4 damage and his half elf mage with his +5 holy avenger that Tempest was one of them.
But Paladins can't wear the helm of disintegration!
Name that quote. :P
I see your antimagic field and raise you an Outer Realms Planar Shepherd.
You mean you try to use planar bubble? The supernatural ability planar bubble? The supernatural-as-in-can't-be-used-while- you're-in-my-antimagic-field ability planar bubble? Mmm...nope, sorry, Newton and Einstein are still winning. ;)
... time and space ...
But, if anyone would like to raise their hand and confirm they were part of the CharOp review, you can finally say so!
c'mon , c'mon , do it !!!
And a thank you , playtesters from me.
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Special Thanks to Chris Tulach.
I am not on that list.
But I can not confirm why that would be so.
{ ... maybe an "Outer Realms Planar Shepherd" has something to do with it ... }
You mean you try to use planar bubble? The supernatural ability planar bubble? The supernatural-as-in-can't-be-used-while- you're-in-my-antimagic-field ability planar bubble? Mmm...nope, sorry, Newton and Einstein are still winning. ;)
Initiate of Mystra, then, if you must. But it's an interesting question -- what happens if I start it outside the AMF and walk in?
Initiate of Mystra, then, if you must.
Well, since you remembered to post here, I would posit that the Realms we inhabit here are not Forgotten, and thus that you don't have access to that. But I digress.
But it's an interesting question -- what happens if I start it outside the AMF and walk in?
You hope that the buffs you've cast in your infinite free time haven't expired?
But Paladins can't wear the helm of disintegration!
Name that quote. :P
Family Guy. Peter and Lois were "role-playing." ;)
But Paladins can't wear the helm of disintegration!
Name that quote. :P
Peter: I'm a 13th level paladin with a helm of disintegration
Lois: peter, a paladin can't wear a helm of disintegration
Peter: Then I'm a Blackgaaaaaard.
Family guy for the win. Nox beat me to it though :-p
Peter: I'm a 13th level paladin with a helm of disintegration
Lois: peter, a paladin can't wear a helm of disintegration
Peter: Then I'm a Blackgaaaaaard.
Family guy for the win. Nox beat me to it though :-p
No, he said black guy.
Grats to him!
Christopher Groves is, not surprisingly, my real name.
That's strange... Fil Kearney is MY real name, but I'm not on that list at all...?
Initiate of Mystra, then, if you must. But it's an interesting question -- what happens if I start it outside the AMF and walk in?
The sage has just ruled that this results in you getting banned from playing DnD.
He has also ruled that all the cake is gone.
My name is not on that list either.
I confirm, i was one :P
My name is not on that list either.
CO reviewer or playtester?
Its pretty crappy that you'd have provided feedback and not be credited in some way.
Welcome to the gratitude showed the Rules Compendium team.
Also, Fil: this means your RL name is PURE WIN.
Welcome to the gratitude showed the Rules Compendium team.
The gratitude showed the Rules Compendium team was (I think it's safe to say at this point) being used to review the 4E PHB.
The gratitude showed the Rules Compendium team was (I think it's safe to say at this point) being used to review the 4E PHB.
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So apparently it's just me that wasn't, then.
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So apparently it's just me that wasn't, then.
It wasn't the whole group, just part of it.
Next time, you can TELL me you think I'm rude, and I might do something about it.
Then there was that shipping kerfuffle...
Heh, kerfluffle. That's a good word.
The gratitude showed the Rules Compendium team was (I think it's safe to say at this point) being used to review the 4E PHB.
There was that Mountain Dew commercial where the kids go: "We got hosed Timmy, we got hosed." This is just like that. Epic pwnage.
There was that Mountain Dew commercial where the kids go: "We got hosed Timmy, we got hosed." This is just like that. Epic pwnage.
If I admitted to being part of the 4e troubleshooting group, Tsuyo, would you be jealous? :P
If I admitted to being part of the 4e troubleshooting group, Tsuyo, would you be jealous? :P
Go ahead! Why not turn this into a "publicly trample on Tsuyo's feelings" thread? It's not like Chris Sims didn't already COMPLETELY RUIN MY FOREVER for me; what could you possibly do?
Jesus Christ, Sims, at least LogicNinja was man enough to tell me eventually. And if you had a f****** beef with my "tone," maybe I would have done something about it if you had said, I don't know, "I don't like your tone, Tsuyo." Instead of, I don't know. Inviting everyone back except me. It's not like I suddenly stopped knowing the rules better than you, or being a good optimizer.
You probably think this is rude, and it probably is. But G-d Almighty, I think I have reason at this point.
actually i don't have any good advice, but this is fairly amusing to us Co nubs. carry on, i'm sure there will be the same thing going on 7 years from now when 5th edition comes out and is an even bigger unbalanced cash cow.
Go ahead! Why not turn this into a "publicly trample on Tsuyo's feelings" thread? It's not like Chris Sims didn't already COMPLETELY RUIN MY FOREVER for me; what could you possibly do?
Jesus Christ, Sims, at least LogicNinja was man enough to tell me eventually. And if you had a f****** beef with my "tone," maybe I would have done something about it if you had said, I don't know, "I don't like your tone, Tsuyo." Instead of, I don't know. Inviting everyone back except me. It's not like I suddenly stopped knowing the rules better than you, or being a good optimizer.
You probably think this is rude, and it probably is. But G-d Almighty, I think I have reason at this point.
Seriously relax. Chris Sims wasn't involved in choosing this round. The first review was incredibly upfront that there would be no warnings- it was behave and be constructive from the getgo or you'd be booted. The guidelines on how to review were extremely clear as well in terms of being constructive and not negative.
Given that the 4e round needed 10 times the diplomacy of the first, every word was critiqued in making the decision.
Seriously relax. Chris Sims wasn't involved in choosing this round. The first review was incredibly upfront that there would be no warnings- it was behave and be constructive from the getgo or you'd be booted. The guidelines on how to review were extremely clear as well in terms of being constructive and not negative.
Given that the 4e round needed 10 times the diplomacy of the first, every word was critiqued in making the decision.
So...how does one get into these rounds? Back in my M:TG days I would look at new sets and instantly see infinite combos with cards from the same set, so while I'm probably not qualified to write, I'd be good at reviewing.
Seriously relax. Chris Sims wasn't involved in choosing this round. The first review was incredibly upfront that there would be no warnings- it was behave and be constructive from the getgo or you'd be booted. The guidelines on how to review were extremely clear as well in terms of being constructive and not negative.
Given that the 4e round needed 10 times the diplomacy of the first, every word was critiqued in making the decision.
I was trying to make a point, which is that repackaging what amounted to the SRD was kind of a bad thing to do. I have to admit, I was kind of confused what our role was there, since no one wanted to hear my opinion and you guys had basically copy-pasted the SRD plus some expanded skills from the Completes.
Big, BIG sorry to Chris, btw. I had no idea that there was anyone else involved on picking people for this project, so in my mind blame instantly went your way.
I was trying to make a point, which is that repackaging what amounted to the SRD was kind of a bad thing to do. I have to admit, I was kind of confused what our role was there, since no one wanted to hear my opinion and you guys had basically copy-pasted the SRD plus some expanded skills from the Completes.
Big, BIG sorry to Chris, btw. I had no idea that there was anyone else involved on picking people for this project, so in my mind blame instantly went your way.
So...
Can we still turn this thread into the "Publicly trample Tsuyo's feelings" thread, or no?
If not, can we make a new thread that does this?
I'm curious how much CO'ing could be done, how many new projects people have already been working on...
hrm... how much has the game changed since the CO playtest? Did input have a major impact on the game mechanics between playtest and print? (not justifying, just very curious)
I'm curious how much CO'ing could be done, how many new projects people have already been working on...
If you notice carefully, you'll see that there was no actual playtesting. It was just a review.
If you notice carefully, you'll see that there was no actual playtesting. It was just a review.
Shoulda taken Quick Reconnoiter.
Well, except for Aethios. He'll never be cool, because he's just that lame. ;)
(jk, man. I actually have no idea who you are, so hi, nice to meet you.)
Lemme get this straight, the CO guys only reviewed the 4E material ??
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12.
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They're learning.
I don't think there is any chance of [CO] reviewing anything again...
No they're not.
At least you got turned down. I was never considered
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4E is going to be just as bad as 3E. The OP board will find the flaws and R&D/Errata will ignore them. Just like the good ole days.
4E is going to be just as bad as 3E. The OP board will find the flaws and R&D/Errata will ignore them. Just like the good ole days.
I find "just as bad" unlikely, given that while some powers may be better than others, you won't have the geometric vs. linear progression difference between, all classes are on an approximately similar offensive footing (attacking at 1/2 level + stat, +miscellaneous bonuses like proficiency, implement, etc) vs. a defense (which don't have the big disparities 3.X saves did, it seems from the previews), all classes have the same number of at-will/encounter/daily powers, etc.
I don't think there is any chance of [CO] reviewing anything again...
Why not?
Why not?
*Shrug* Ask her.
Why not?
Egos, man. Egos :D
I find "just as bad" unlikely, given that while some powers may be better than others, you won't have the geometric vs. linear progression difference between, all classes are on an approximately similar offensive footing (attacking at 1/2 level + stat, +miscellaneous bonuses like proficiency, implement, etc) vs. a defense (which don't have the big disparities 3.X saves did, it seems from the previews), all classes have the same number of at-will/encounter/daily powers, etc.
Agree. The announcement on the website confirms the NDA is still in effect until June-whatever, but I can say that power balance was a huge focus item in the playtesting.
Why not?
Doubtless because they didn't the like the reminder that there were people out there with potentially (not definitively) better ideas than they had.
@LPDNW: I've seen no evidence that WotC will do anything other than maintain their current stance, which is in Optimization-Fu known as the Stance of the Ostrich.
Better than the Stance of the Lemming.
Doubtless because they didn't the like the reminder that there were people out there with potentially (not definitively) better ideas than they had.
I find that unlikely.
Doubtless because they didn't the like the reminder that there were people out there with potentially (not definitively) better ideas than they had.
So...job security then? It's not like I'd write anything. Just give a little advice to help with the editing process. After all, if two heads are better than one, then those two heads with ten heads helping out should be even better, so long as the ten heads aren't attatched to a Hydra trying to eat you.
To everyone: I've calmed down now, after having a talk with Autumn. We're all cool now.
Well, except for Aethios. He'll never be cool, because he's just that lame. ;)
(jk, man. I actually have no idea who you are, so hi, nice to meet you.)
I'm usually on the Previous Edition's Forums. I just lurk here now and again. Nice to meet you too...
And...
for that whole Aethios lame comment thing...::sulks socks off::
To everyone: I've calmed down now, after having a talk with Autumn. We're all cool now.
I hope so; my intent was to be joking and lighthearted. I didn't meant to belittle. If it's any consolation, I was told that I would have to lighten up on my language and tone if I wanted to help with 4e. Yes, me. You know, that nasty RT guy who's always with the putdowns and everything.
Besides, we didn't see that much info really. What we got was not just the unfinished product, but the hot-off-the-press first draft with little to no editing and a lot of highlighted parts saying "we're gonna/we have to change this". We didn't even get enough info to run playtest games of our own; just enough to analyze areas where optimization-fu could break stuff and where numbers needed to be crunched elsewhere.
So no, you don't need to be jealous over my entry into a troubleshooting session as limited as it was. Now, getting to party with Autumn, stembolt, and a bunch of their buddies for New Year's Eve (since I went to meet in person to discuss the document), that might qualify for envy material. :P
EDIT: Though it sucks to think they won't be pulling on the COB for help in the future. We could be a very valuable resource and I hope they don't waste that.
If WotC grabbed people from CO for reviewing/playtesting/etc, it was likely more a function of them getting input from our demographic than anything else.
I hope so; my intent was to be joking and lighthearted. I didn't meant to belittle. If it's any consolation, I was told that I would have to lighten up on my language and tone if I wanted to help with 4e. Yes, me. You know, that nasty RT guy who's always with the putdowns and everything.
In retrospect, RT, that's pretty obvious. But imagine for a second you're the ONE GUY they left out of the FOURTH EDITION PLAYERS HANDBOOK review. I mean, that would definitely be something to tell my kinds about.
You know, if I ever find a girl, and somehow convince her to bear my spawn, and they all turn out as lame as I am. You know what, never mind.
if I ever find a girl, and somehow convince her to bear my spawn
I prefer the term "spittin' out podlings"
In retrospect, RT, that's pretty obvious. But imagine for a second you're the ONE GUY they left out of the FOURTH EDITION PLAYERS HANDBOOK review. I mean, that would definitely be something to tell my kinds about.
You know, if I ever find a girl, and somehow convince her to bear my spawn, and they all turn out as lame as I am. You know what, never mind.
Max out diplomacy and perform (comedy) and (nce nce nce) and you are set...
I didn't get consulted about anything. All you tsuyoshikentsus can stop whinlng.
Well, yes. This is because, despite your uberness, you're still a n00b.
Max out diplomacy and perform (comedy) and (nce nce nce) and you are set...
As the joke above clearly shows, all are cross-class skills for me.
Well, yes. This is because, despite your uberness, you're still a n00b.
As the joke above clearly shows, all are cross-class skills for me.
Lame... hmmm...
---New thread! Optimize Tsuyoshikentsu!--
Well, yes. This is because, despite your uberness, you're still a n00b.
As the joke above clearly shows, all are cross-class skills for me.
Clearly. Two out of Five.
We didn't even get enough info to run playtest games of our own; just enough to analyze areas where optimization-fu could break stuff and where numbers needed to be crunched elsewhere.
Like spotting Wall of Fire/Wall of Ice.
I think a lot of people are jumping around because they wanted a piece of the pie once they found out the Jones' had some. Just because we're the resident rule monkeys doesn't give us any entitlement whatsoever to the reviewing/playtesting/etc process. As an obvious corollary, we as the CO community have no entitlement to that either.
If WotC grabbed people from CO for reviewing/playtesting/etc, it was likely more a function of them getting input from our demographic than anything else.
Ah good point. Reflecting upon what COers were invited to help on, we likely won't be invited back until a rules-heavy supplement comes out. So probably 4.0 PHB 2 at earliest.
Ah good point. Reflecting upon what COers were invited to help on, we likely won't be invited back until a rules-heavy supplement comes out. So probably 4.0 PHB 2 at earliest.
I still personally believe that to be true. Though, when creating a brand-new edition like this, it is important, I think, to have the word of the actual players, not only in the "how well can I optimize this" section, but also in the actual game-play aspect of it. Eh.
Dude! Jack of All Trades + Bardic Knack! Either that or four levels in Swashbuckler.
Don't tell me, let me guess. All that on top of an Inspire Courage build?
G-dDAMMIT! I KNEW I was missing something for our CO game!
New Year's Party with RT, reviewing together after everyone else went to bed, was definitely the highlight of the process for me
New Year's Party with RT, reviewing together after everyone else went to bed, was definitely the highlight of the process for me
Bow chicka bow wow.
New Year's Party with RT, reviewing together after everyone else went to bed, was definitely the highlight of the process for me
Bow chicka bow wow?
j/k :P
Edit: Glad I'm not the only one who picked this up...
Bow chicka bow wow.
You read my mind. I'm very sorry for you, since clearly you went to a nasty, dirty, perverted place.
You read my mind. I'm very sorry for you, since clearly you went to a nasty, dirty, perverted place.
...Full of redundancies and bad jokes...
...Full of redundancies and bad jokes...
I see you stuck to the good parts of my brain.
Bow chicka bow wow?
j/k :P
Edit: Glad I'm not the only one who picked this up...
I could pick you up if you like.
You read my mind. I'm very sorry for you, since clearly you went to a nasty, dirty, perverted place.
Don't worry, it's awwwwwright.
I see you stuck to the good parts of my brain.
'Good' is a relative term. I think it's more that I stuck to the mundane parts.
(I am kidding)
I usually see that coming when I write, but was totally unprepared for where that went.
Hm, there is a slogan in that somewhere...
I usually see that coming when I write, but was totally unprepared for where that went.
Yeah, I'm just gonna give it up at this point.
I wonder if bolding 'talk' would have made a difference. At least there haven't been any bad roleplaying jokes.
Yeah, I'm just gonna give it up at this point.
I wonder if bolding 'talk' would have made a difference. At least there haven't been any bad roleplaying jokes.
Is that a cue?
I put on my robe and wizard hat...
Oh yea, I'm a Paladin with an 18 Charisma and a Helm of Disintegration!
... this is great. And the CO-board will still be in business. This is better.Nah, to counter that sort of joke you have to expose it ahead of time. Now it's used.
You said expose. Huh. Huh huh huh. Huh huh.
Hello, my name is:
(Character name)
(Player name)
And everyone ended up calling each other by their character's name anyway. Just curious how this would work out with forumites.
Wait, your build could have done that? I thought you were out of feats!! *commence headbanging*
Well, no. I forgot Archer said no flaws.
But I would have tried to work it in from the beginning if I had remembered.
When you guys did meet up, did you call each other by yor RL names, or you internet personas? I once went to a Holloween party with my WoW guild (back when I played...I was weak, so sue me), and everyone was wearing name tags that said:
Hello, my name is:
(Character name)
(Player name)
And everyone ended up calling each other by their character's name anyway. Just curious how this would work out with forumites.
You sorta have to go with forum names. I mean, really.
Can you imagine meeting up with Tempest Stormwind, Tleilaxu_Ghola, RadicalTaoist, and Autumn_serene and hearing "Hi, I'm John." "Hey guys, I'm Bill." "Thomas here." "Call me Jane." It just doesn't work. You can't go from cool names to everyday names! You need to keep that mystique, that +5 Charisma, that aura of awesome.
You can't go from cool names to everyday names! You need to keep that mystique, that +5 Charisma, that aura of awesome.
What about archerpwr? That doesn't sound cool. I'd have to go by one of the other names I use:
ubernoob, fuhror (sp?), Satan, Lucifer, or at worst my last name (It's made up. Bootlegger evading cops FTW).
What about archerpwr? That doesn't sound cool. I'd have to go by one of the other names I use:
ubernoob, fuhror (sp?), Satan, Lucifer, or at worst my last name (It's made up. Bootlegger evading cops FTW).
And I have no idea how to pronounce mine. I found the syllables strung out somewhere in a third-rate fantasy novel, separated by apostrophes and dashes and other horrors perpetrated on the English language. I merely removed everything keeping the syllables apart, chopped some out, and added the Z.
Bahzwehvial? Boazweeveeal?
And I have no idea how to pronounce mine. I found the syllables strung out somewhere in a third-rate fantasy novel, separated by apostrophes and dashes and other horrors perpetrated on the English language. I merely removed everything keeping the syllables apart, chopped some out, and added the Z.
Bahzwehvial? Boazweeveeal?
I was going for BAWZ-weh-vee-AWL.
I was going for BAWZ-weh-vee-AWL.
I like it, especially considering that my last few attempts to sound it out sounded like a drunken Truenamer.
You can't go from cool names to everyday names! You need to keep that mystique, that +5 Charisma, that aura of awesome.
I dunno, "Surreal" has a sort of androgenous it-was-cool-sounding-when-I-was-12-and-looked-it-up-in-a-thesaurus kind of thing going for it... which is ok though, because I was 12 when I started using it, and, uh, really did come up with it after looking up the word "imaginary" in a thesaurus.
And I have no idea how to pronounce mine. I found the syllables strung out somewhere in a third-rate fantasy novel, separated by apostrophes and dashes and other horrors perpetrated on the English language. I merely removed everything keeping the syllables apart, chopped some out, and added the Z.
Bahzwehvial? Boazweeveeal?
The first time I saw your name, I thought it was just a take on the boll weevil.
The first time I saw your name, I thought it was just a take on the boll weevil.
:heehee
What about archerpwr? That doesn't sound cool. I'd have to go by one of the other names I use:
ubernoob, fuhror (sp?), Satan, Lucifer, or at worst my last name (It's made up. Bootlegger evading cops FTW).
Archerpwr is plenty cool. Archerpwr -> archer power -> cleric archer build or uber-high-damage ranger build or any other insane-damage ranged CO build. Sounds cool to me!
I dunno, "Surreal" has a sort of androgenous it-was-cool-sounding-when-I-was-12-and-looked-it-up-in-a-thesaurus kind of thing going for it... which is ok though, because I was 12 when I started using it, and, uh, really did come up with it after looking up the word "imaginary" in a thesaurus.
Well, "Hey, I'm Surreal" is at least a better introduction than "Hey, I'm Bob":
"So you're surreal?"
"Yeah, I'm Surreal."
"Are you an artist?"
"I'm not that 'surreal'."
"So how surreal are you?"
"What?"
"You said you 'aren't that surreal,' so are you just a little surreal?"
"Hey! I'm not a little Surreal! Are you calling me short!?"
etc.
Archerpwr is plenty cool. Archerpwr -> archer power -> cleric archer build or uber-high-damage ranger build or any other insane-damage ranged CO build. Sounds cool to me!
Well, "Hey, I'm Surreal" is at least a better introduction than "Hey, I'm Bob":
"So you're surreal?"
"Yeah, I'm Surreal."
"Are you an artist?"
"I'm not that 'surreal'."
"So how surreal are you?"
"What?"
"You said you 'aren't that surreal,' so are you just a little surreal?"
"Hey! I'm not a little Surreal! Are you calling me short!?"
etc.
Wocka wocka wocka...
edit: nice new avatar, Autumn
edit edit: Archerpwr: you are seem to be posting much more frequently; is your "situation" resolved?
edit edit edit: I guess the "review" didn't give anyone that much info, regardless. End of thread for me!
I'm very strict about using real names when I'm face to face with someone. No computer screen = no screen name. Every online persona is a persona- even if it matches closely to your real personality. I'd hope folks didn't think my personality was limited to my former WizO persona. You can introduce yourself as your SN, but then it's on to real names for me.
'Good' is a relative term. I think it's more that I stuck to the mundane parts.
(I am kidding)
No, no, you avoided the really dark and scary parts. Excellent judgment call there.
Well, "Hey, I'm Surreal" is at least a better introduction than "Hey, I'm Bob":
"So you're surreal?"
"Yeah, I'm Surreal."
"Are you an artist?"
"I'm not that 'surreal'."
"So how surreal are you?"
"What?"
"You said you 'aren't that surreal,' so are you just a little surreal?"
"Hey! I'm not a little Surreal! Are you calling me short!?"
etc.
Great. It's "Who's On First" with Stephen Colbert and Edward Elric.
No, no, you avoided the really dark and scary parts. Excellent judgment call there.
rolled well on my Sense Motive check, and Knowledge (Phelanercetus' brain) check... I saw an uninviting, scary place, and then a sort of elysium; Better a partitioner in heaven' than one in hell.
tsuyo
archer
boz
surreal
radical
z-zak
mittens
as an admitted Dr. Who geek from the olden days, a wonderful quote was given to the world...
Doctor: "What is your name?"
new tagalong: "romanadelauramonallase...."
Doctor: "That won't do."
new tagalong: "why not?"
Doctor: "Because by the time I finish shouting, 'lookout, romnadelaurayadayada', whatever monster I was warning you about would have already eaten you."
New tagalong: "Call me Romana."
But I'm a nick-namey kinda guy.
I chose my own name to be online since I used to do freelance art. I know most folks don't like sending their real real identity across the intarweb, but branding is important to the self-employed.
I think CrG (ChristopherGroves) is the same way.
I feel bad for folks that are obsessed with spelling out the full username of posters. maybe I'm just lazy?
I'm leaving the invite open for anyone in Seattle to drop me a line.
Still, with a name like "Piggy K." it might be a little bit odd if people called me that. It isn't even an online name I use much, more one I tossed on here because my old name got lost when the boards switched over, and I didn't feel like resurrecting it...
I'm very strict about using real names when I'm face to face with someone. No computer screen = no screen name. Every online persona is a persona- even if it matches closely to your real personality. I'd hope folks didn't think my personality was limited to my former WizO persona.
I'd actually rather be recognized for what Tsuyoshi Kentsu (Hey, now you know where the break goes!) has done than Tucker XXXXX. And about the only thing H. Tucker XXXXX has done is write a little.
I'd actually rather be recognized for what Tsuyoshi Kentsu (Hey, now you know where the break goes!) has done than Tucker XXXXX. And about the only thing H. Tucker XXXXX has done is write a little.
I would just like to be remembered for my fondness of taking great arts and finding the best place to put a Black and Silver sharpie mustache!
Way I figure it, I'd rather be remembered for something that I did, albeit mundane and unremarkable, than to be remembered for the deeds of others. See, even a little writing can act as a staple to ones character while a disconnected action leaves little to appreciate.
...At any rate, the writers are the ones who relate the histories...
(http://formymother.wordpress.com/ is my current project, if anyone cares.)
Wocka wocka wocka...
edit: nice new avatar, Autumn
edit edit: Archerpwr: you are seem to be posting much more frequently; is your "situation" resolved?
edit edit edit: I guess the "review" didn't give anyone that much info, regardless. End of thread for me!
I'm back to only the PSP, which has a strict char limit. That is the issue. Anything over 3 lines of characters is out. No PbP or big build writeups from PSP.
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Doctor: "Because by the time I finish shouting, 'lookout, romnadelaurayadayada', whatever monster I was warning you about would have already eaten you."
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New tagalong: "Call me Romana."
This is why I told Caelic to call me "Awakey".
He had something caustic to say about how that violated his space-time-continuum ... or something.
I personally have always messed with my hair and facial hair. So I've had nick-names like RugHead and FuzzNuts; both befitting my personality at the time. I've also had people not recognize me just because of new a hair-do or soul patch or sideburns, etc. Now a days, I look like my avatar, really.
Funny, there were 2 references to D&D on VH1's The Pick-Up Artist. They all use "handles", in their terminology. Also in the NYTimes write-up on it. And Neil Strauss' The Game. "Hey Baby" Heh heh, heh.
I'm back to only the PSP, which has a strict char limit. That is the issue. Anything over 3 lines of characters is out. No PbP or big build writeups from PSP.
Well, you could always post in installments!
"Okay, I've got this great new build, guys. Look it over for me, will ya?
Race: Phrenic Wood Elf
Class: Warblade 5/Crusader 3/Lion Totem Barbarian 2/Eternal Blade 10"
"Build continued:
AC: 104
HP: 392"
"Build continued:
Attack: +45/+45/+40/+40/+35/+35/+30/+30
Weapons: +4 diamond mind vorpal greatsword"
And so on. :D
Well, you could always post in installments!
Wouldn't that irritate a great number of people?
Wouldn't that irritate a great number of people?
I think that's the point :D
I haven't really been keeping up; is there an "SRD" equivalent for 4.0?
As I understand there will be.
As I understand there will be.
Actually, so far as I've heard they went to the "huge index" version, where it's not the books reprinted but just something like "Page 41, paragraphs 1-3 and 5 are OGC...page 42, paragraphs 2, 4, and 6-7 are OGC..." and so forth.
I'd actually rather be recognized for what Tsuyoshi Kentsu (Hey, now you know where the break goes!) has done than Tucker XXXXX. And about the only thing H. Tucker XXXXX has done is write a little.
Well if anyone is ever in the Northeastern Massachusetts area, give me a holler and I'll buy you a drink and introduce myself for real!
That or GenCon!!
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Well if anyone is ever in the Northeastern Massachusetts area, give me a holler and I'll buy you a drink and introduce myself for real!
That or GenCon!!
WHY DID I HAVE TO MOVE FROM BOSTON TO KANSAS CITY!!!! WHY!!!???!!!
I miss all my regular gaming peeps from Boston, as well as the potential gamer peeps I never got to meet.
/poors out 40 oz.
Well if anyone is ever in the Northeastern Massachusetts area, give me a holler and I'll buy you a drink and introduce myself for real!
That or GenCon!!
That's like right next to my place! Well, I wish it was, anyway....
Yay, CO Meetup @ GenCon!
Sponsored by BOOZE!
And I have to settle with Finland's RopeCon that's somewhere around August. Sigh, some time I got to drag myself down to USA again and visit a GenCon to meet some CO people.
WHY DID I HAVE TO MOVE FROM BOSTON TO KANSAS CITY!!!! WHY!!!???!!!
I miss all my regular gaming peeps from Boston, as well as the potential gamer peeps I never got to meet.
/poors out 40 oz.
Odd, my best gaming group was when I was still living in Boston also.
Yes, too bad I write fantasy.
(http://formymother.wordpress.com/ is my current project, if anyone cares.)
I like it! It's a shame I can never get my ideas worded the way I want them, but you've got talent.
Go ahead! Why not turn this into a "publicly trample on Tsuyo's feelings" thread?
Okay, Tsu... what are we doing the opposite of RIGHT now?
huh...huh... yeah, cheer up!
Anyone in Utah wanna carpool?
Wait. Noone near Utah?
...I suspected as much.
But, if anyone would like to raise their hand and confirm they were part of the CharOp review, you can finally say so!
People on this board got to review the books but not contribute to playtesting?
Interesting. I'm curious if you guys saw the same issues I did... but I suppose we can't talk about that for a few weeks more.
I'm not a regular poster on the CO boards, but do like to read it. But since most of my actual play time is with the RPGA, I can't really take advantage of many of the rules options people on the CO board take for granted and stick mainly with the core + complete book series.
Anyhoo, looking forward to June 6th and seeing the comments of this board regarding 4e.
Cedric Atizado
People on this board got to review the books but not contribute to playtesting?
Yeah, I was one of them. It was rushed, but interesting.
Interesting. I'm curious if you guys saw the same issues I did... but I suppose we can't talk about that for a few weeks more.
Given that we've both seen the book, I think talking over it via AIM is pretty safe. Mine is "Fear the Kittens" if you'd like.
Given that we've both seen the book, I think talking over it via AIM is pretty safe. Mine is "Fear the Kittens" if you'd like.
Thanks for the offer, but I think I'll hold to the June 6th date to avoid potential NDA conflicts. I think talking about the specifics (even with others involved in the project) is a no-no.
June 6th can't get here fast enough.
Thanks for the offer, but I think I'll hold to the June 6th date to avoid potential NDA conflicts. I think talking about the specifics (even with others involved in the project) is a no-no.
June 6th can't get here fast enough.
I can't imagine that that's the case, seeing as how we all discussed it with each other while making the review. It's not "disclosure" if the person already knows (which is why we can talk about publically released stuff, like, say, the Elven Accuracy racial power). But fair enough.
People on this board got to review the books but not contribute to playtesting?
Some. I was not in the review, but I was (am?) a playtester.
I can't imagine that that's the case, seeing as how we all discussed it with each other while making the review. It's not "disclosure" if the person already knows (which is why we can talk about publically released stuff, like, say, the Elven Accuracy racial power). But fair enough.
Well, playtesters got different instructions then. I knew playtesters from other groups but was instructed not to talk to them, keeping discussion to my specific group.
As far as I'm aware, the only change from our instructions is that we can now reveal that we were playtesters.
I've got to say though that it was interesting to see things change from our initial copies to the final draft...and things that didn't.
Well, playtesters got different instructions then. I knew playtesters from other groups but was instructed not to talk to them, keeping discussion to my specific group.
As far as I'm aware, the only change from our instructions is that we can now reveal that we were playtesters.
I've got to say though that it was interesting to see things change from our initial copies to the final draft...and things that didn't.
Yep, pretty specifically we were instructed not to talk to anyone. I suspect that was so that the various tactics we stumbled upon, things we did, etc. would hit a wider set of options whereas if we said "yeah we just did this" and everyone else "did that" it would exercise a smaller portion of the rules.
Anybody get it?
Tons of reviews already at Enworld.org.
Just be aware that the book was sent to the printers while the PHB was still in flux. There's quite a few errors in the product that WotC plans on releasing Errata for, on DDI on the 20th (when it was supposed to come out).
Apparently every single large bookseller released it early...
Nice.
Just be aware that the book was sent to the printers while the PHB was still in flux. There's quite a few errors in the product that WotC plans on releasing Errata for, on DDI on the 20th (when it was supposed to come out).
You mean ... like Complete Psionic ?!
:P
You mean WotC will release errata for CPsi on the 20th !?
:P
Yes, CPsi errate will be here on June 20th. Now, whether it's June 20th of this year is another issue entirely.
Out of curiosity, how did you people get to review the books and/or playtest them? Did you apply for it here on the forums or what?
For the reviewing, thank Autumn. She worked back when the RC was in production to get a CharOp team to review it; we were PMed with the offer. I have no idea how the RC team was selected (I didn't consider myself one of the big names, certainly; it might've been my Batman guide). The 4E team consisted mostly of people on the RC team, and existed at all, again, thanks to Autumn's efforts (which apparently involved dealing with a large quantity of red tape).
For the reviewing, thank Autumn. She worked back when the RC was in production to get a CharOp team to review it; we were PMed with the offer. I have no idea how the RC team was selected (I didn't consider myself one of the big names, certainly; it might've been my Batman guide). The 4E team consisted mostly of people on the RC team, and existed at all, again, thanks to Autumn's efforts (which apparently involved dealing with a large quantity of red tape).
RC?
Thanks for the explanation. Quite interesting to see that a CO team was combined specifically for this purpose. I suppose that tells a little something.
The RC is the Rules Compendium.
I must've been both retarded and dense when I posted that. Luckily this can hardly make me look more stupid than I already did.
@tshern I can't realy speak for how autum chose, but from what I've seen the COers met up in person, which would of been dificult for some one to do if they live on a different continent.
Orly? You must be kidding me? And here I was being bitter about not being a part of the playtest!
Only some of them met up in person (RT is near enough to Autumn and a couple others, I think). I got mailed a manuscript and posted stuff on the forum we used.
Apparently electrical means on communication work just fine. I suppose email/IM/forums do just fine for stuff like this.
Only some of them met up in person (RT is near enough to Autumn and a couple others, I think). I got mailed a manuscript and posted stuff on the forum we used.
RT isn't actually near me but happened to be in the same state for the holidays. He had to take a bus for a couple of hours to get here, but the big reason was that he didn't get his manuscript in the mail so we wanted him to see it without breaking any rules and copying/mailing it to him.
I was extremely extremely limited in how many people could be picked. For the most part it was based on the folks who were part of the first review project (Rules Compendium) for which I worked with Mel to choose the group. It sucked that I couldn't have a ton of people and had to choose between about 30 amazing candidates.
For the reviewing, thank Autumn. She worked back when the RC was in production to get a CharOp team to review it; we were PMed with the offer. I have no idea how the RC team was selected (I didn't consider myself one of the big names, certainly; it might've been my Batman guide). The 4E team consisted mostly of people on the RC team, and existed at all, again, thanks to Autumn's efforts (which apparently involved dealing with a large quantity of red tape).
It all started at GenCon a couple of years ago with me stalking some of the R&D folks and making them give me their cards because I pimped out this forum.... ah memories...
Thank Mel too, she was a huge influence on getting the RC project in place.
But that's alright, I have confidence in my fellow optimizers who got to take a look at the stuff
I feel unloved. No offer for me.
And the like...thousands of other board denizens and hundreds of others who regularly visit the CO boards.
I was heavily involved in the D&D Minis for a while. I'm an admin on a few prominent fan strategy sites, wrote a some training and strategy guides, and really worked to develop the local community here (we now host the regional qualifiers, release tournaments etc). I've judged GenCon and XP minis events (D&D minis, Axis & Allies Minis, Dreamblade) for a few years and they had me playtest Dreamblade when they were launching that (flying out for Dreamblade day is one of my all time favorite geek moments).
The guy who won the first D&D Minis championships moved here locally as well and we corresponded before he came ... when he did, we started a new RP group. He drifted out of minis for a while and focused more on RP, landing the spot as the factionmaster for the Blackwheel Company / Xendrik Expeditions for the RPGA ... so our group playtested most of those (we were the BWC group) and wrote a number of modules.
There are a couple of other D&D minis / RPGA groups I know of on that list as well (one in Illinois, one in CT and one in the Denver region) who have also been long time organized-play (D&D minis, D&D game day, etc.) so I recognize some of the other names ... people I assumed were playtesting, I talk to all the time but we couldn't really even talk to each other, so that's amusing. In general, they have similar profiles - they heavily support RPGA, Organized Play efforts ... have members that have judged / worked events in the past, etc.
This is ironic for me since I got an offer from Wotc_Mel to review Rules Compendium and if I had taken it up, I might have been able to see some 4e stuff.
But that's alright, I have confidence in my fellow optimizers who got to take a look at the stuff
Yes, you may have
You were on my list that I had to pair down. FYI.
Congratulations!
Due to your vast intelect and superior optimization skills you have been selected to participate in the upcoming design project for Player's Handbook III.
Be welcome to follow this linkfor all information and NDA agreement:
Every dog has his day, eh archer?
Its pretty crappy that you'd have provided feedback and not be credited in some way.
Meh. Happened on the Rules Compendium, too. It was fun just the same.
And, uhm, yeah...I was in on both the RC and the PHB review. Thanks again, Autumn.
I was honetly expecting a rick roll there...
I stumbled across one of Zzak's links to the viking recently, and I felt nostalgic.
especially after my early stunt about WotC_Mel's avatar ...
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Something about being not just Charm Person'd, but also Charm Mon[edit]
aDMg's personal editor kick's in here:
don't make the paranoia mean more than it really does.
aDMg's personal editor kick's in here:
don't make the paranoia mean more than it really does.
Caelic ?!
Hey, so you ... w e r e ... on "vacation". Heh, figures.
And, no wonder Tsuyoshi Kentsu was so torqued-off afterwards.
How'd you guys manage to keep it together, for soo long ?! ;)
Well, to be honest, part of the reason I haven't been around is because it turned out to be harder than I thought to pretend, especially in discussions of fourth edition. In some cases, I found myself having to maintain positions I knew were wrong, simply because changing them could've given something away.
Another part of it's just that people have gotten so angry in the last several months. I come here to have fun, not to fight with people. The CO Boards aren't so bad in that respect, but some of the other boards...man.
Well, to be honest, part of the reason I haven't been around is because it turned out to be harder than I thought to pretend, especially in discussions of fourth edition. In some cases, I found myself having to maintain positions I knew were wrong, simply because changing them could've given something away.
Another part of it's just that people have gotten so angry in the last several months. I come here to have fun, not to fight with people. The CO Boards aren't so bad in that respect, but some of the other boards...man.
Brilliant Gameologists is where all the "cool kids" hang out now.
This is ironic for me since I got an offer from Wotc_Mel to review Rules Compendium and if I had taken it up, I might have been able to see some 4e stuff.
But that's alright, I have confidence in my fellow optimizers who got to take a look at the stuff
You know... thinking back a ways, I think I got a PM (or was it an e-mail...) from Mel for this also, and turned it down because I was too busy. I'd forgotten about it, until now.
Edit: Yeah, it was an e-mail. I kept a copy of it, heh. I was just finishing up my PhD and working like 80 hours a week at the time.
Yep, I gave Mel a list of folks I thought would be great and she made the initial offer. When you guys couldn't, we just kept going down the list.
It's interesting to know that Wotc_Mel got that list of people from you. I never would've guessed.
This means I should re-title the thread (if I could) to:
And heck, a few of them have ~outed themselves.
Comparing the power lists from our manuscripts vs. the final version was interesting.
Yeah. I got my books, too, and I was a reviewer.
Comparing the power lists from our manuscripts vs. the final version was interesting.
Were the changes significant, LN? Specifically, did the concerns we brought up get addressed?
I’ve asked Bart to add a news item recognizing your group’s efforts.
On a personal note, please let everyone on the list know that I’m very sorry that your names were left out. I know you all put a lot of hard work into your reports, and you deserved recognition along with everyone else.
Next time any of you see me at a show, I’ll gladly add your name to the big page-o-playtesters in your PH and sign it as “official errata.” : )
OK. Somebody got 4E a little early ---> So...I recieved a package today...
This means I should re-title the thread (if I could) to:
And heck, a few of them have ~outed themselves.
Ironically I have said books as well, but don't want to get banned for posting anything.
I will say it took me about 20 minutes to find out when I got to choose powers because I didn't read the PHB in order. Suffice to say it's not listed in the class entries. :P
Were the changes significant, LN? Specifically, did the concerns we brought up get addressed?
Some of'em. Cleric damage got nerfed a bit as recommended; Divine Oracle level 16 power got un-broken; they fixed Wall of Fire, mostly; they got rid of Mage Armor (which was Just Like Blur But Worse, with Blur *right above it* to boot), a bunch of other changes. They didn't make the Ranger a controller or anything extreme, but it seems like our advice was heard (if not always followed).
Some of'em. Cleric damage got nerfed a bit as recommended; Divine Oracle level 16 power got un-broken; they fixed Wall of Fire, mostly; they got rid of Mage Armor (which was Just Like Blur But Worse, with Blur *right above it* to boot), a bunch of other changes. They didn't make the Ranger a controller or anything extreme, but it seems like our advice was heard (if not always followed).
Is there someone I can thank for the rogues? :D
Some of'em. Cleric damage got nerfed a bit as recommended; Divine Oracle level 16 power got un-broken; they fixed Wall of Fire, mostly; they got rid of Mage Armor (which was Just Like Blur But Worse, with Blur *right above it* to boot), a bunch of other changes. They didn't make the Ranger a controller or anything extreme, but it seems like our advice was heard (if not always followed).
Huzzah! Sad about the Ranger, though.
Huzzah! Sad about the Ranger, though.
That was the best recommendation
We knew though it would be a long shot and probably wouldn't be taken, but worth hoping for.Is there someone I can thank for the rogues? :D
Actually, I'm pretty sure they got the Rogue right before they sent us the manuscript. I don't remember too many suggestions we made about the class.
Rogues do look like a lot of fun, don't they?
Some of'em. Cleric damage got nerfed a bit as recommended; Divine Oracle level 16 power got un-broken; they fixed Wall of Fire, mostly; they got rid of Mage Armor (which was Just Like Blur But Worse, with Blur *right above it* to boot), a bunch of other changes. They didn't make the Ranger a controller or anything extreme, but it seems like our advice was heard (if not always followed).
I really really hope they toned down the damage of the Warlord powers like I recommended.
If we ever do get our names publicly thanked, I'd like to see a link. Would be good to have on the old resume.;)
I really really hope they toned down the damage of the Warlord powers like I recommended.
If we ever do get our names publicly thanked, I'd like to see a link. Would be good to have on the old resume.;)
I don't remember what we recommended it down from, but Warlord damage looks fine to me. The Warlord is nice, but won't replace a Fighter in melee.
If we ever do get our names publicly thanked, I'd like to see a link.
I second the motion. Please.
That's awesome. My name is spelled wrong, but it's still very cool.
Heh, surprised to see my name in there even though the shipping mishap pervented me from actually getting the book.
That's because you're you. =)
Someone with a PHB; did they make that tiny little fix I recommended about At-Will powers scaling with tier?
Sort of. They scale from [W] to 2[W] in Epic, not in Paragon.
Then they didn't because that's the way it was originally. Sucky, if you ask me. I don't think it would have been too broken to do it as I suggested.
Ahh, so it's your fault that some unknown "somebody" got the books early.
Andrew Kim
Benjamin Pierce
Brian Dupuis
Edward Kim
Jim Raviolos
Joshua Crowe
Max Gorinevsky
Michel Fiallo-Perez
Nathan Lee
Megan "WizO Autumn" McGinley.
So now we start the game of "Where's Caelic ??"
Ahh, so it's your fault that some unknown "somebody" got the books early.
So now we start the game of "Where's Caelic ??"
He's there.
Muahaha.