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Nolwelen wrote:
The bard has always been my favorite class - and the half-elf my favorite race - in concept. I remember being disappointed by them both in 3.5e. The 4e versions were a little better, but I wholeheartedly agree that the 5e bard (and the 5e half-elf) finally feel right, both in terms of mechanics and feel. Bravo, WotC! 
Erm the Bard was really really good in AD&D. Even the 3.5 one was actually quite good.
The Bard is really good in this edition and requires less min/maxing to make work.
A wizard for more spell options, arcane renewal, a better ritual casting mechanic, and later on spell mastery. Wizards have a broad range of area and control effects that surpasses a bard and their ritual method opens up a broader range of available utility magic, and when all is said and done they cast more spells per day. Clerics know a ton of spells, channel divinity, and can request divine assistance. Spellcasters all have overlap and each has benefits; bards are largely characterized by inspiration, skill benefits, and a large degree of customization in the concepts.
Zardnaar wrote:
One of my fondest memories of actually being a player in D&D is playing a Half-Elf Bard (Rawun kit) in a 2nd Ed Al-Qadim campaign. The 2nd Ed Bard is ill.
CCS wrote:
Well, in my memory, 2E asked for Multiclassing. As a human it made sense to either go Thief/Mage or Fighter/Mage, and the Bard didn't give you as much out of multiclassing into. Then in 3rd Ed I remember the insane opportunities to stack bonuses of all sorts, including saving throw DCs for spells, which made Wizards and Clerics real terrors at higher levels. You only had to decide if you prefered to lock them down and kill them "slowly" or go for instant death spells. This wasn't a knife vs. gun situation, rather a knife vs. artillery situation. I just wanna mention the prestige classes "Shadow Adept" and "Red Wizard" in their Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting "incarnation". WotC realized quickly that those were broken for real. The Archmage PC in the FRCS wasn't "bad" either. The two magical words in those days were "Spell Power", Bards didn't have much offensive spell capability to capitalize on that.
1st ed bard was terrifying
5e is very good indeed. One in each group I play with. PF bard was pretty good
TheNovaLord wrote:
I've always wondered how many 1e bards actually ever got played. What was it -- 5-7 levels of fighter, then 5-7 levels of thief, then a few druid levels and somewhere along the line you become a bard? I liked that the bard used druidic/primal magic, though. Arcane never seems like quite the right flavour, to me.
My favorite class in theory is Bard, I have not seen it in practice enough to be certain. But I know when I get the opportunity to be a player, I will be playing a Bard.
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Nolwelen wrote:
It's not just the mechanics, though. The 5e bard feels right. The devs have talked a lot about the "feel" of the game, and I think with the bard (and half-elf) at least, they nailed the feel.
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Brock_Landers wrote:
4e bard was crazy powerful.
Ashrym wrote:
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Nolwelen wrote:
Overall, i liked playing the 5e bard, but to critque... (IMO)
The 5e bard spell list could use a little adjustments. Like add crusader's mantle (i.e. bard song), and remove stinking cloud (why is that on here 
), as well as a few others.
Counter charm also needs some tweak. The mechanics are a bit off, since it doesn't actually let you break a charm person spell.
i.e. as an action, you play a song, and your allies can make a saving throw against one charm effect.
And the level 20 feature is (mechanicly) crap.
i.e. when you roll inititive, you regain 1 insperation die, upto your maxium.
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3.5 toned the cleric down from 3.0. 3.5 the Dreuid was very easy to break just using the PHB the clerictook a bit more effort.
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Zardnaar wrote:
I'm starting to get 2e/3.Xe/4e overload. You guys do remember you're on the 5e forum, right?
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