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#1 MasterVelles Aug 13, 2014 18:17:35	When I'd first heard about the Bard not having the inspiring music anymore and becoming a full caster, I'd assumed one of it's spells would be some kind of group buff that required concentration to give 1d4 to damage rolls. I'm not seeing any kind of group buffs in the PHB. Am I missing something or am I going to have to house rule a spell for it?
#2 DemoMonkey Aug 13, 2014 18:27:56	"Am I missing something or am I going to have to house rule a spell for it?"   No, and why?
#3 sugar_high Aug 13, 2014 18:37:15	For damage rolls, you could use one of the spells gained from the Magic Secrets ability to pick up Crusader's Mantle from the paladin list, which works exactly as you described (though would likely need to be reflavored to be more Bardic).  If you're looking for something specifically bard-flavored, though, the best you have is the College of Valor class feature Combat Inspiration which only works on one creature for one damage roll.
#4 Ashrym Aug 13, 2014 18:48:16	MasterVelles wrote:
#5 Rastapopoulos Aug 13, 2014 20:16:06	You're in luck. You just have to house-rule one spell.   I'd have to house-rule the entire class to make the bard again a non-full-caster.
(Reply to #5) Ashrym	Rastapopoulos wrote:
#7 lawrencehoy Aug 13, 2014 21:36:58	Can the Bard's Magic Secrets feature gain them the Bless spell? That would grant a 1d4 bonus to attack rolls and saving throws for at least 3 targets (more in higher level spell slots).
#8 sugar_high Aug 13, 2014 22:18:03	Yes, Magical Secrets can grant spells from any class.  The only limiting thing is really the concentration requirement, as you can't have Bless and Crusader's Mantle active at the same time (without another caster to concentrate, anyway)
(Reply to #7) Ashrym	lawrencehoy wrote:
#10 lawrencehoy Aug 14, 2014 2:51:27	sugar_high wrote:
#11 mellored Aug 14, 2014 5:32:19	It does seem really odd there isn't a bard song spell.   Here.  I'll houserule one.     Battle Song Level 1: 10 minutes, concentraion. Range: 30' Materials: A musical instrament worth 5 gold (not consumed). Effect: Choose upto 5 creatures withing range.  When the target hits with an attack, they deal an extra 1d4 damage. At higher level:  The damage delt is increased 1 die size per level.   With a maximum of 1d12 at level 5.     Skill Song Level 1: 1 hour, concentraion. Range: 30' Materials: A musical instrament worth 5 gold (not consumed). Effect: Choose upto 5 creatures withing range.  When the target hits attemps a skill check, they get an extra 1d4 bonus. At higher level:  The damage delt is increased 1 per level.   With a maximum of 1d12 at level 5.     Possibly add some debuff songs as well.
(Reply to #10) Ashrym	lawrencehoy wrote:
(Reply to #11) Ashrym	mellored wrote: