Chi is for Monks
Ki is for Samuraïs
Chi relies on breath
Ki is furnace, the lower cauldron, it is located along with abdominals
Chi as in Taï-Chi-Chuan
Ki as in Hara-Ki-Ri
Ki is just Chi in Japanese. Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi
uglyvan wrote:
As a Shintoist, I'm wondering if I should be amused, or offended.
I'll go with amused, and add to the mix. "It's spelled Qi."
:D
Tashiro wrote:
Chi is the 22 letter of the Greek alphabet. 
kalil wrote:
uglyvan wrote:
uglyvan wrote:
uglyvan wrote:
Qmark wrote:
Noon wrote:
Prana is what it is called in Sanskrit. Lung is what the Tibetans call it. This stuff is quite universal.
Atheosis wrote:
The whole topic title itself is demonstrably wrong.
The elaboration in the post shows a fundamental inability to grasp the concept that there is more than one language in far east Asia.
And it also demonstrates he hasn't the least comprehension of the languages he is trying to 'school' people on.
It is as if he wrote somethng like
"did you know 'he' means the abode of spirits in English? Like in the English words 'he-ll' and 'he-aven' and therefore we can posit that English speakers think only males have souls!!"
It's just.... no.
After creating a topic on this board that is just this far off topic of anything being discussed here.
Is just so dripping with ignorance and idiocy...
I really think this uglyvan guy ought to just delete this thread, delete his account and leave the internet for good. Never visit a message board again.
It really does rise to that sort of level of embarrassment. It'd be one thing if it was a reply to a thread or a comment posted under some article or to some video... But to create a TOPIC to showcase such a level of ignorance? That takes a very special individual.
I dislike the mechanical representation even more. It takes too long to regain ki points.
Uchawi wrote:
poe tay toe, puh tah toe
The_White_Sorcerer wrote:
uglyvan wrote:
Shiroiken wrote:
For those who might not be familiar with uglyvan's *style*: this is quite normal. The posts don't make sense to the rest of us, only uglyvan seems to get it.
There's always a tiny nugget of reality in his posts; uglyvan then takes that nugget and buries it nonsense, It's that nugget that often intrigues me. "Wait . . . I got it . . . What?"
It has to be intentional but sometimes I wonder 
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Luke-Lightning wrote:
RJP wrote:
Monks no longer use Ki, as to not offend or conuse anyone. The term for their energy will be called "NI"! The monks who say Ni.
Incoming chi vs. ki experts in 5... 4... 3... 2...
Brock_Landers wrote:
draegn wrote:
I think there is a major difference in playstyle. Many of us older players are used to playing classes with once per day abilities or very limited options to choose resourcewise throughout the day.
I assume Ki is supposed to be Kiai? At least by the association with Samurai
arnwolf666 wrote:
It doesn't matter how it's spelled, as long as we all continue to agree that it's source is midi-chlorians.
DemoMonkey wrote:
SpedGuy wrote:
Bennedict wrote:
This is not a debate. As my ex used to say, this is a discussion of semantics. Ki = Chi. I am a martials artist, studying Japanese, Korean and Chinese styles.
The word matters little when we are discussing the energy that surrounds us, empowers us, and binds the universe together. Ki or Chi is the energy of life which can be used to empower, heal and bring well being.
Now in the game, Ki is the mechanic that is being used for the game's monk class. I think in past editions, the word Chi was used, but it matters little. The designers could have used any word to describe this energy source. They could have used The Force if not for it being copyrights already.
So, why are we discussing the semantics? Let's debate or rant about something else.
Kiai and chi are different concepts, and the original poster is trying to equate the word ki with kiai for some reason. I've listened to my son's kendo lessons for years now hearing about needing better kiai...
Isn't kiai just the name for the noises you make when striking to intimidate enemies and to strengthen the strike? By synchronizing your breath with your movement? And doesn't Qi/Chi/Ki literally mean breath? Sounds like it's still all just different names for the same concept.
Luke-Lightning wrote:
Shasarak wrote:
Chai is tastier than both.
Luke-Lightning wrote:
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Mecheon wrote:
Maybe the OP is a Golden Sun fan?
In the original Golden Sun title, there was a really bad mistranslation where they claimed Ki and Chi were different, but similar concepts. According to the NoA translation, Chi is force exerted by the body upon an object, generated through training with kung-fu, while Ki is a spiritual power generated by years of meditation and wisdom (or natural eptitude from being an Adept like the PCs in that game).
However, in the Japanese language version of that game, they never call what the Kung Fu warriors use "Chi" – just martial arts. It was a distinction made up by the translators (who have been known to make up other elements of the games, such as creating a whole clan of beastmen in Golden Sun 3; the Czamaral Clan doesn't exist in the Japanese version of the game; everywhere they say "Sveta of the Czamaral Clan" in the NoA translation, they're saying "Stella who's real name is Koaimara" in the Japanese version).
In any case, Breath, Energy, Ki, Chi, Force, Psychic Power, Psionics, Spiritual Power… it's all the same thing (though some settings will subdivide it by how it's generated or where it's coming from; take YuYu Hakushou, where there's regular Spirit Energy, but also Demon Energy and Sacred Energy too!). In Dragon Ball, they call their Power Levels their "Chi" until the Scouter arrives, but call their energy blasts like the Kamehameha Wave or the Masenko "Ki Blasts". It's all equivalent.
Marandahir wrote:
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Azzy1974 wrote:
So, I think a nifty Samurai Background is in order, complete with flower arranging, tea, and haiku!
The_White_Sorcerer wrote:
ok, ok, you seem to know a lot about the subject.
then, you can say Tchiiii, but you would'nt say Kiii would you ?
that to say as I know of china, propagation of breath along with proper spelling makes up for understandable speech 
If you can except "longsword" then "ki" should not be a problem. I don't have any problems, it's a game. Game terminology can be whatever the designers say. Doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the game.
TjD
"Are you the Ki Master?"
Sigourney Weaver, Ghostbusters
Tashiro wrote:
thewok wrote:
Mr.Durriken wrote:
Also the D&D Monk is not Chinese nor Japanese (unless you're doing an Earth campaign) so Ki isn't a mispelling or wrong word it's the term used by the rules to describe the source of the monks powers just as spell slots are for casters.
If you want to quibble about bad word choices in D&D try necromancy. Half of the necromantic spells have nothing to do with necromancy and under the real meaning of the word the only spell in D&D that does fit is the divination spell "Speak with Dead" which is exactly what necromancy means. Necro- "dead" and -mancy "speaking to" so necromancy was the original term for what we tend to call mediums in today's society. Somewhere along the way in the fantasy literary/Hollywood engine the term got twisted around to mean someone who raises, controls, or consorts with the dead (often in a more carnal manner).
Also lycanthrope is another mangled word in common usage in D&D and fantasy. Lycanthrope is strictly werewolves (lycan = wolf), a more proper term to talk about werebeasts in general is therianthrope. Lycanthrope just caught on as werewolves are the most popular animal-changing creature and the only one in actual folklore to be a "wer" or "were" creature (most other shapeshifters had other names if if they transformed between human and animal). Also look at how they try to make the order matter "werejackal" is a humanoid that becomes a jackal while a "jackalwere" is a jackal that becomes a humanoid.
There's lots of other terms like that throughought D&D. The game borrows familiar terms and repurposes them or alters them to fit the game in a way to make it easier for the players to relate to whats there. (Medusa was a person not a race, and gorgons were a trinity of creatures that are what D&D calls medusa just as an example).
Elfcrusher wrote:
Tashiro wrote:
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Tashiro wrote:
There is absolutely a such thing as a "longsword". It's right there in the D&D 5e weapons table and does 1d8 damage.
It may not have a real-life historical precedent, but then again neither do Mind Flayers, but I'm ok with those being in the game, too.
Yeah, just because it's in the D&D book doesn't make it so. The longsword, as far as I'm concerned, is the broadsword, full stop. Banded mail is the other thing I don't accept, and thankfully this edition of D&D doesn't have banded mail. I'm not sure why ring mail is considered heavy though - it's disks linked onto leather. Seriously. Anyway... it doesn't matter, since I'm running a campaign set in early Roman / Bronze Age, so a lot of that kind of stuff simply doesn't exist in the setting.
Grazel wrote:
Specifically, the 'longsword' of history was two-handed, not one-handed, like the longsword in D&D. The broadsword was a basket-hilted sword which was thicker than a rapier. I think the closest we can get to actual historical 'longswords' as we see them in D&D is probably the bastard sword, I think.
I grew up pronouncing ki as "kai" that rymes with "eye." It wasn't for many years that I learned that in Japanese it is "kee."
Similarly I said chaotic with a "tch" instead of "k" sound. And melee was mee-lee.
Tashiro wrote:
Ki is the correct term. It is actually derived from the Tri-kreen sound for "I am magic because I said so"
Neither China or Japan exist in the codified worlds of D&D.
What I have learned from all of this:
There is a Guy named Guy and a Guy named Guy. Guy is a Samurai, and shouts Kiai. If he was "Samurai", but not a Samurai, to shout Kiai he'd take a feat, to shout thirty feet, and make his enemies beat feet in retreat. What a treat.
Now Guy wears a gi, and uses ki. Or chi, or qi, depending on your translation key.
Gi-wearing Guy may shout Kiai, and Guy Samurai also has ki, though as far as he knows he blows it out his nose.
But both of them might like a good cup of Chai.
Chiisai_Usagi wrote:
Joe_the_Rat wins the thread.
uglyvan wrote:
Pretty cool stuff. 
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