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#1 Celeden Aug 30, 2014 6:36:48	Specifically, the layout of class features in the Player's Handbook. I've not had much chance to play with the new edition yet, but my immediate reaction to the layout is... a bit negative. I found that the 4e handbooks presented the most pertinent information to creating a character of that class right on a single page which was a godsend when you're flicking back and forth. Similarly, it feels the same way with the Race layout.   Now it seems that there's just a wall of fluff not only before you get to the meat of class features, but also a load of it in the spaces between more mechanical bits of information.   Am I the only person finding this a bad change overall?
#2 rampant Aug 30, 2014 7:24:19	The races don't have an excuse they're just bad.   The classes however are rougly in the same order as presented on their class chart, i.e. the level 1 abilities are listed, then the level 2 abilities, and so on and so forth.   4e handed out al your features and such at level 1, and then gave each class a list of powers they could choose from in order of lowest level powers to highest level powers. With the classes using a similar progression and format this lead to a very compact entry regarding the core features of the class, followed up by power uptions.   With the core features scattered over the class progression itmakes for a more hectic class entry.   It's not so much that the format of the presentation has changed, more the format of the things being presented has changed.
#3 tallric_kruush Aug 30, 2014 7:36:19	I think there are advantages to each presentation style.   Many people didn't like 4E presentation and missed the fluff. I already know my fluff, so I rather like the clean, "these are the rules you are looking for" presentation of the 4E books. Embedding rules in a paragraph of fluff is not to my liking, nor is flipping around a huge spell compendium in the back of the book in order to pick my spells. I don't see any viable solution for the spells gripe, though.   I do not miss the sterile, blinding white pages of the 4E books, though. Ugh. My eyes are relieved to once more have nice, muted pages.
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