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| #1Storyteller-ZeroMay 07, 2015 16:09:42 | Since popular fiction and religious stories have inspired many aspects of classes, races, and magic in Dungeons and Dragons, it might be fun to discuss equivalents and counterparts of DnD classes, races, and magic in non-DnD books, films, TV shows, theatre, mythology, and games.
TV, movies, and videogames will probably be the most common sources of inspiration for how younger players perceive classes imo.
Being able to reference these productions could be a good way to help new players visualize the ways that their characters interact with the in-game world.
Here's an example:
In the movie "Stardust", the main male protagonist Tristan is a commoner who gets trained into a martial fighting class (perhaps a rogue?).
The female protagonist Yvaine, a fallen Star, could be classified as a Sorceror who uses the magic of the stars.
The villains could be classified as Warlocks, because they gain magical powers by siphoning them from external power sources; the villains seek to drain Yvaine of her sorcerous power to fuel the villain's magical spells and restore their youth.
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| #2DiffanMay 07, 2015 18:09:17 | Van Helsing (movie) is roughly the equivalent to a Paladin, going so far as to say that he can sense evil creatures. |
| #3Lord_VentnorMay 07, 2015 20:10:10 | Michael Carpenter from The Dresden Files is the best paladin in any story there is. This is an objective fact. |
| #4MechaPilotMay 07, 2015 22:10:46 | A manga example:
Negi Springfield as a spell-point-using wizard. He learns new spells through study and practice, and has graduated from a formal magic school. His spells can be interrupted by stopping the incantation (before he learns to cast without incantations, which itself is similar to the 3e metamagic feat Silent Spell). He carries a staff which he frequently focuses his magic through, though he calls it a wand (which is similar to the 4e use of an implement). Also, anyone can study magic in that world; you don't have to be specially gifted to use magic, which is in line with the tradition of the wizard class from at least 2e through 5e. |
| #5lawrencehoyMay 07, 2015 22:41:15 |
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| #6Ralif_RedhammerMay 08, 2015 7:41:47 | Paksenarrion, definitely is one of the best paladins of literature.
For monks, I’ll go with the Bloodguard from the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. They fight without weapons or armor, and their vow allows them to transcend physical limitations.
In videogames, I would think Kratos from the God of War series would count as a barbarian. He even rages.
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| #7KayalMay 08, 2015 9:16:08 | Techincally speaking, Roland (of the 12 Peers of Charlemagne) is THE Paladin ... though in D&D, I guess he would actually be a fighter. |
| #8KayalMay 08, 2015 9:18:20 | Also, I posit that Gandalf is actually a Bard, not a Wizard. He casts some spells, sure, but he also fighters with a sword, does his fair share of storytelling, and is seriously into the (bardic) lore. |
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| #10Brock_LandersMay 08, 2015 10:59:29 | Aragorn: Fighter Boromir: Fighter Gandalf: Celestial NPC Gimli: Fighter Legolas: Fighter |
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| #12OoftaMegMay 08, 2015 12:13:58 | I agree with the best representation of a paladin being Paksennarion, although Michael from the Dresden Files is a close second.
However, Gandalf was a fake (in the books). Yes, he was good at fireworks, but what does he actually do? All of his accomplisments are off-screen (fighting the balrog) and we just take his word for what happened. In other cases he's taking credit for other people's work like when the hobbits convinced the treants to take out Saruman and then he claimed it was his idea all along.
So Gandalf? Noble/Politician. Maybe rogue with a high charisma. He has connections, influence and a really fast horse but little more. |
| #13Brock_LandersMay 08, 2015 12:23:26 |
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| #15MechatarrasqueMay 08, 2015 12:50:54 | For a nonconventional paladin, I like Solomon Kane--he even gets smite in one story (too hard to decide between Paks and Michael Carpenter as the best paladin).
As long as we are bringing up Dresden, does anyone notice that he uses 3 spells over and over, gets powered up by a fallen angel, loses that power and gets powered up by an angel, then gets juiced up by Mab. [Off topic, but that is how magic ought to be in D&D.] Multipact warlock, which isn't a 5e thing, but was a 4e thing.
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| #16SirAntoineMay 08, 2015 19:08:52 | Captain Picard from Star Trek: the Next Generation would make a fine paladin. |
| #17Nist498May 08, 2015 19:45:01 |
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| #18Lord_VentnorMay 08, 2015 20:33:44 | Harry Dresden could be represented by a Warlock with the Pact of the Tome in 5e. Wizard or not, his biggest strength in the books tends to be his absolute mastery over ritual magic.
And Gandalf would be represented as a Solar who assumes the shape of a bearded man. |
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| #21Brock_LandersMay 08, 2015 23:55:41 |
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| #22adembroski11May 09, 2015 0:04:02 | Luke Skywalker is a Paladin |
| #23Brock_LandersMay 09, 2015 0:37:08 |
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| #24strider13xMay 09, 2015 5:25:40 | Iron Man: Wizard
Thor: Tempest Cleric
Captain America: Battlemaster Fighter/Rogue
Hulk: Barbarian |
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| #26OoftaMegMay 09, 2015 7:04:49 | Roughly half of the standard human comic book heroes: monk
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| #27SirAntoineMay 09, 2015 17:35:44 |
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| #29Lord_VentnorMay 10, 2015 0:33:52 | Chewbacca is a miniature giant space sasquatch. |
| #30cowleymenMay 10, 2015 14:41:40 |
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| #31Ralif_RedhammerMay 11, 2015 7:51:23 | Good call on Solomon Kane!
Hiero from Hiero’s Journey is perhaps literature’s only multiclass psion/ranger/cleric.
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| #32KayalMay 11, 2015 10:58:27 |
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| #33OrethalionMay 11, 2015 11:17:39 |
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| #35Ralif_RedhammerMay 11, 2015 11:31:40 | One of the great things about the Sparhawk character was how he was clearly a holy warrior, a paladin. Yet he was also very human. It really opened my eyes to how a paladin could be more than a one-note Lawful Good PC, while still being a Lawful Good PC, if that makes any sense.
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| #36OrethalionMay 11, 2015 11:41:01 |
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