Garl Glittergold is Lawful Good?

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#1

moonbeast

Feb 24, 2015 7:30:57

It seems like the designers gave minimal thought when they included the "Portfolio" of several deities in the DMG.  Even worse, I'm suspecting that they just did a cut and paste job from 4e. 

 

 

 

 

Gnome greater deity Garl Glittergold is given the sole portfolio as gnomish god of Trickery.  Fine enough, he is the patron deity of tricksters, pranksters and illusionists, something gnomes are legendary for.  But why Lawful Good?  Since when is deception, illusion, trickery, lies, pranks, and goofing around considered lawful?    If anything, it's Chaotic Annoying. 

 

The earlier editions of D&D/AD&D got it right to begin with:  Gnomes are (generally) Neutral Good as a race (with the exception of evil and neutral gnomes who want to break with their society), and Garl was listed as Neutral Good.  He resides in the Plane of Bytopia (Twin Paradises) which is one of the Neutral Good planes.  Why peg him as Lawful Good in 5e?   Makes zero sense considering that his portfolio says "Trickery". 

 

I'd like to see this considered for Errata hopefully.  It would be a minor correction that won't do much to alter the already-published DMG and the ruleset. 

#2

CCS

Feb 24, 2015 13:46:22 		Errata, really? 1) How often does Garls alignment ever impact a game? 2) How do you know that this is an error on WoTC part? (Especially as he's also listed as LG in AD&D 1e) 3) When I look up Garl in my 5e PHB, I notice that one of the columns reads Suggested domains. Do you know what the word suggested means? Anyways: Are you the DM? Then consider Garls alignment changed. Are you a player? If so petition your DM.
#3

strider13x

Feb 24, 2015 9:10:01

The Dwan War gods were a "cut & paste" from 4e, it even says as much in the DMG! Way to read the whole entry and then complain about it...

 

But I agree, a Lawful Trickster? Unless he ALWAYS tricks you (the law of trickery?) NG would be the better fit.

#4

Brock_Landers

Feb 24, 2015 14:01:06

He has always been LG (as far as I know), and gnomes have a serious presence on Bytopia.  Being LG does not preclude trickery.

#5

Vahnyu

Feb 24, 2015 11:32:35

strider13x wrote:
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Llenlleawg

Brock_Landers wrote:
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Llenlleawg

Feb 24, 2015 12:03:04

moonbeast wrote:
#8

Brock_Landers

Feb 24, 2015 14:06:13

Thank you, Llenlleawg, for laying out the whole deal (nice).  On another tip for how gnomes are awesome: see, The Companions of the Dead.

#9

cassi_brazuca

Feb 24, 2015 19:24:44

Well the "Dawn War" table in D&D 5e DMG is seriously flawed in alignment. And they didn’t even explain what is that war. Or explain anything, really. I saw the same level of information in other tables, but this one was left for the DMG, which is already bad as it is.

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Llenlleawg

cassi_brazuca wrote:
#11

Noon

Mar 01, 2015 18:02:40

The greatest trick Garl ever played on the world was making us think he is lawful good.

 

Garl's like Deadpool - he went fourth wall and modified the DMG.

#12

Mecheon

Mar 01, 2015 23:08:20

cassi_brazuca wrote:
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Brock_Landers

Mar 01, 2015 23:18:27

Mecheon wrote:
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Mecheon

Mar 01, 2015 23:28:33

Brock_Landers wrote:
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Brock_Landers

Mar 01, 2015 23:42:21

Mecheon wrote: