How much will you spend. one time fee with add-ons? Subscription/Rent?
Are you willing to do a subscription? Or are you sick of the Rental Subscription fees that was DDI? Please be honest in your answers and keep it civil. This is not meant to start an argument or rant fest. Just state your opinion. No need to comment on another's comments. Just state your own opinion please. 
I will pay a one time fee for the app. 30-40 dollars. Then I will pay for add-ons such as a set of books. 5 bucks for 3-4 splat books (just the crunch not the actual PDF's, unless WotC is not selling PDF's.) If WotC is not selling PDF's then I would pay up to 5-8 bucks for a PDF splat book and 15-25 dollars for a core rule book. I will NOT do a subscription again where I am renting the material like I was with DDI. I am so sick and tired of the rental based fees and will not do it again.
I would have to see what exactly the program does, and how it does whatever it actually does do, before I could even pretend to know how much I would be willing to spend on it.
I know that I won't, however, be interested in an expense greater than what it would cost me to purchase every product released in hard copy.
Personally, zilch.
But that's not the answer that people want to hear.
BoldItalic wrote:
Depends what they have. If it is something I can get somewhere else free, then my answer is No. If it is something not as good as I already use, then No.
Base tool itself should be free (and allow basic rules content). Pay one time to buy content but better be much lower than the print version. Having tried the beta though so far I'm in the "zilch" category as it's not really at beta level as core mechanics don't work and making a character by hand is more reliable (various broken mechanics in it right now) and all it can do right now is create a character. There's no printing, no alternate layouts, very little editable fields for anything custom for a character (background PIBF are only from the PHB examples), if you didn't do an array/point buy char you can't import it into the tool and you can't export from the tool. I do hope they add more but right now I'm not holding much hope considering how long they've been working on it (and I've seen more complete and functional character sheets made by single users in spreadsheet form that were done in just a couple of weeks).
If it as least as useful as D&D Insider, then I'll pay what I pay for Insider, whatever that is. (It's obviously not too expensive if I can't remember what I pay, heh.)
TSRO_Kip wrote:
I'm not buying dungeonscape. I have a couple of thousand dollars wrapped up in miniatures, terrain, battlemats, and dungeon tiles. If I want visual aids i have them. No sale.
Considering DUNGEONSCAPE will be gratos, i won't spend a dime until i evalute if we use or not. I will show it to my party (what's available for free) and if we like what we see and want to use it, i will invest in it.
What i am eagerly waiting to spend $$ on without looking back though, is DRAGON/DUNGEON magazines! #MissThemBadly
AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
I do not think that IF we as a consumer can download content from Dungeon Scape that it would go away if DS goes dark and or they simply don't like you any longer. If it is that way I would not want it at all. Nor would I want a rent to use type of subscription as I mentioned in my OP. I enjoy having hard copy but as a GM I LOVE having the abilty to just bring my laptop and or iPad to the table and game from there. I GM 3-4 times a week at different locations. If I bought all the books I needed to as a GM (If and when they come out) I would be carrying a lot of stuff... just carrying my laptop and iPad is enough. I also have a cart of miniatures I bring to those locations too. So it is important to have the hard copy for my home and my wife (who likes the option of having digital too) and digital on the go.
I use Hero Lab for Pathfinder and while there are some issues with it once in a while it is still excellent software and an awesome GM tool. Extremely handy to have around as part of my arsenal. I use Realm Works as my campaign management too... which is an awesome database that hyperlinks everything along the ability to fill my players in through the interface as well as giving them valuable information at the click of a button. For all of that I do not need any internet connection as I can use another computer screen for Realm works and for Hero Lab it is all contained on my laptop. With Hero Lab I have spent 240 dollars for all the add-ons AND the actual software. I have 5 licenses with it including iPad use too. I OWN that software. It is not going away if Lone Wolf shuts it's doors or gets upset with me. Same with Realm Works. I like to own software and digital media like PDF's to be able to carry with me to GM. It is lighter then carrying 40-50 pds of books espoecially at a convention. If there is no internet connection it is important to be able to have at my hands all my digital needs. Right now I do not see Dungeon Scape being there for me the way I am hoping it would be. I AM hoping it gets better and is able to use it offline on a Laptop and/or on an iPad/tablet.
nothing!
they promised free software and i am expecting free software.
if they can't deliver that i will go with one lots of free alternatives that will be coming out over the next year.
for the D&D content i am willing to go as high as $5 per book.
I've got a poll going on this issue here:
http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?366706-How-Much-Would-You-Pay-for-Digital-Access
I'd love some more responses there to get a better feel for what people would pay.
It sounds like DungeonScape is non-subscription. One-time fee to unlock a book, or just part of a book. So you can microtransaction a class or set of options. So you just drop down your $5-30 and unlock the PHB without monthly fees or needed to re-subscribe.
Of couse, the catch being that once TrapDoor Tech loses their licence, the content you paid to unlock goes away. Kinda. You won't be able to use the web version but you'll still have the assorted app. So long as you retain that device. Which is likely 2-5 years these days. Since it's unlikely to be PDFs that you can back-up and archive.
I'll pay up to $15 for a book. Which seems like a good price as that means individual classes can be a $1 and races could be $0.50, so buying piecemeal isn't *that* much worse but you're incentivised for the one-time purchase.
If it's over $20 I'll just laugh at their audacity.
I'm still hoping we get some online support attached to buying a hard copy of the 3 rule books. For example; character creation utility if you bought PHB, onlineline monster database if you bought the MM, and online DM tools if you bought the DMG. I love owning the books, but if they sell an online MM seperately I'm going to be inclinded to think I should have bought that and not the hard copy of the MM for sure.
Subscription fee would be a BIG no no. Also would probably be a mistake in the long run. World of Warcraft is probably the last sub model in any form of gaming that was a sucess, people HATE that model nowadays, and will look for other options. I never joinded DDI for that reason even though I really wanted the features.
Plaguescarred wrote:
Last I heard from a tweet or an article was that yes there would be a free aspect, but it wouldn't be the whole of Basic. They said we'd get the 5 pregens from the Starter Set and we can go as high as fifth level with them. Not worth it if you ask me. If they were confident about the product, we'd get Basic for free with in app purchases.
I am in the wont pay a single penny for it, I didn't like DDI and am not going to subscribe to digital content, I greatly dislike that (free or not) I have to download and print to play modules I already own. I find it annoying that a person can spend around $130 dollars on 5th ed( PHB , MM, module) and still have to download to play the module they bought ( yes I could make it myself, but I paid for a premade adventure so I should not have to), so as for more download, no thanks. I do not allow computers at my table, I do not use a computer to build adventures ( to be fair I dont build adventures for 5th ed, I simply use the bought modules) I also will not allow any content that can't be shown in a book at the table while playing.
Jet_Jordan wrote:
Shasarak wrote:
More interested in decent Dragon and Dungeon andd we have not had that since 2007. I would pay $10-$15 for most PDFs, maybe $20 for something like a PHB. Probably not interested in a subscription as DDI kind of sucked for me and I do not like the whole rent stuff mentality.
Zardnaar wrote:
None. I have no interest in the product as shown so far. I would have rather that WotC just partner with someone like Lone Wolf and added D&D 5th to the Hero Lab options. From what I can see so far all this product cares about is being hip and pritty without any real content or value. Maybe I will have to eat my words someday, but today I have not confidence in this product.
Brightmantle wrote:
If it stays web based only,i won't buy it. It's all great and good if the server is online,but once the site goes down,it becomes wasted money. If they make app that can be used offline,than i will consider paying for it. I like the concept so far,but i think it will be usefull mostly to DM. Basicly,waiting for finished product to decide.
If it is good and provides an easily referenced collection of all dead-tree products along with all the promised features I will gladly pay 10 times the current DDI subscription fee PLUS full retail price for each book I add to it. I am not holding my breath however. The beta is not looking particularily promising and WotCs track record with software products is truly horrid.
I'm probably not inclined, honestly. I prefer dead tree books to e-books, and if I were going to use a program to run games online, I've heard good things about Roll20. Being system agnostic and free making it a lot more accessible to the people who I would be likely to play with online.
There are some features, world and dungeon builder, nice mapping tools, etc, that would induce me to buy. And depending on where those landed, I'd be up to maybe the $20-40 range. As much as I might pay for a game. If it was subscription based, I'd skip it. And if some of what I heard about DDI held true and passed on to here, things like errata being released online and altering functionality, forcing your hand into adopting changes if you want to keep using the software despite DM rulings otherwise, effectively disallowing some houserules, I would pass on principle. (I don't know if that's exactly how it worked, I skipped 4E and DDI entirely, just heard things along those lines.)
It should be a useful tool, but the game itself should stand on its own. It shouldn't make itself essential, and then throw a subscription into the mix as well. For me, that would be a red flag.
Edit: Also, offline functionality. I'd hope that were a given, but between Steam and Blizzard, I should know better by now.
It will depend on what you get. I won't pay a fee every month. It will also depend on whether there's an "offline" PC version. There are still many places in the world that don't have an Internet connection...
The base app will be free so I'll definitely download that and see how well Trapdoor translates the Basic Rules into electronic form. If I find that their conversion is useful and makes playing the game more convenient then I would be willing to spend somewhere along the lines of $10 USD for the Core Books, $8 USD for splat books, and $5 for adventure modules.
As a consumer that will have purchased the hard copies I see DungeonScape as a tool of convenience and not the primary source of the content. If the cost outweighs the convenience factor then DungeonScape becomes unattractive.
Additionally, because I play with family members I will likely have to pay for multiple licenses of certain content (PHB, splat books, etc). The lack of any sort of family license will quickly make DungeonScape unaffordable.
I am also hesitant on spending money on software licenses and services that I could lose access to in the future. I prefer owning copies of content that are not at the mercy of an accounting executive's whims. Given Trapdoor's extensive backend server infrastructure any DungeonScape content we purchase will only live on as long as WotC wants to pay for Trapdoor's services.
Contrary to the majority of the posters in this thread I would be willing to pay a subscription fee if it unlocked all of the content and allowed multiple concurrent users. I'd probably willing to spend around $30 USD/year plus maybe an additional $15 USD/year per additional concurrent user (i.e., a family plan license).
Now that I've seen the web beta, I'm willing to pay absolutely nothing for it whatsoever. It's quite clear that they've ripped the design directly from their iOS/Android counterparts and the format simply isn't suited to a browser. I feel that this is incredibly lazy and incompetent design. Short of redesigning the entire interface from the ground up in order to properly suit a browser, I will not be paying for it. And given that I don't have a tablet of any shape or form, I won't be buying that version either.
Then again, I never expected it to be good. This is yet another example of WotC making incredibly poor choices when it comes to software development.
Imagine a cellphone designed by Shakespeare.
I'd like to see a couple different pricing models:
- Free to use for character creating and management using the basic rules
- Pay to unlock specific rules resources
- Subscription-based recurring content like dragon
I'll admit that Dragon Magazine was the best part of 4E for me. I LOVED the micro splat articles--it gave me a reason to keep coming back. Put paying a sub to access my character sheets is rude, at best. Pricing-wise, the key is going to be how useful it is to me at the table. If I can bring my ipad and it's easier to play with that then a paper character sheet, I'll pay for it, happily. But what I've seen so far doesn't yet fit that bill.
RCanine wrote: