The default human has come under some criticism for being weak and/or boring. Boring I an understand and one can take 12,12,12,14,14,16 after racial mods if the DM allows point buy. Humans can start with multiple 18's though although technically anyone can it is easier for humans.
However RAW it seems you can roll 4d6 or use the default stat array. The DM can choose to allow point buy. This makes the human more powerful IMHO as the +1 to everything mean more than the default stat array which only has a 13 and a 15 to really benefit the human. AFAIK it seems on average around 3 of your scores may be an odd number via rolling dice. Feats and the variant human are also optional so if you have your heart set on playing as a human take the chance and roll dice. If you roll low change your mind and play a non human with the stat array or suicide your character at level 1. Experiment a little.
My stats rolled right now 4d6 drop the lowest. Ironman no dice fudging.
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12,14,18 as your best 3 stats, 8,9, 10 as your lowest. I would keep this or you could pick another race I suppose if you want a 20.
Character 2
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8,15,13,14,14,14 for stas a little odd but its not to awful although you will not get a 16.
Character 3.
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14, 11, 12 15, 17,11 as scores, offers an 18 and a 16 at level 4. I would use this
Character 4.
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I would like to introduce you to Lemming the fighter. He has chronic depression problems and likes to be abused by Hobgoblins.
Character 5
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Jackpot. 16,14,12,17,10,16
And the best part is RAW the DM can't chose to not let you roll. I am the DM in my game and I have no issue with letting PCs roll the dice if they want although for our 1st game they all chose the default array. I think rolling also slightly favours the default human as well. I may restrict races, classes feats and multiclassing but you can roll if you want.
So, basically you think default humans are powerful because you manipulate character generation by rolling stats and "suiciding" poorly rolled characters?
By that logic, any nonhuman (or variant human) is powerful because they can start with 20s.
I can also roll 6 seperate 18s. It's unlikely, but random numbers are random.
There's a reason why the default array is used in terms of balance discusions. I get what you're saying, but it just seems like a strange way of looking at it.
(Full disclosure: I *hate* rolling for stats. I've seen too many games where one person rolls mediocre and another rolls amazingly and the balance between characters is just shot).
Zardnaar wrote:
Captain_Kobold wrote:
Zardnaar wrote:
2Chlorobutanal wrote:
Zardnaar wrote:
Zardnaar wrote:
Yeah... I'm gonna file this under "yeah, so?"
2Chlorobutanal wrote:
Zardnaar wrote:
Captain_Kobold wrote:
I just keep rolling 4d6 until I roll an 18, then roll 5 more times. 
Seriously, I do prefer rolling, as point buy/array is...boring to me. I suppose I'd use that at a LGS or Con, though. At home, we roll together, and just don't use stats until they are balanced (ie: no one has a bunch of 6-7 stats, or a bunch of 17-18 stats.)
frothsof wrote:
frothsof wrote:
Zardnaar wrote:
Zardnaar wrote:
Dude, you're reaching.
Zardnaar wrote:
So would you be willing to agree that RAW the DM is not allowed to say you can't play a dragonborn or a tiefling?
JC999 wrote:
I must say character optimisation that uses suiciding rubbish characters is a novel one.
It's certainly THE LONG GAME approach to optimisation.
Is it something you encounter often?
Illithidbix wrote:
Illithidbix wrote:
JC999 wrote:
I love the idea of using dice rolling to generate stats and then complain that it can make unbalanced characters. Its like complaining that chocolate makes you fat.
Point Buy makes balanced characters that are a little cookie cutter.
Dice rolling can easily produce wildly unbalanced characters, but they are all unique slowflakes.
What is a greater sin to you as a DM: Cookie Cutter characters, or Broken characters? You are going to get one of those, so pick one and live with the consequences. But don't come to a forum and complain that dice rolls made a broken character and the system needs to be fixed.
Zard, what happened??? Your threads on Dragonsfoot were so interesting, while the last 3 - 4 I saw here are just... off...
Has your account been hacked? Come back!
Delazar78 wrote: