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| #1Slit518Feb 03, 2015 19:26:52 | Let's build Link from The Legend of Zelda series! The games we will be focusing on will be 1) Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 2) Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
What we will be determining statistic wise, what are Link's core stats as an adult (and as a child for Ocarina of Time)? What are the statistics of Link's items throughout his journey, such as the Pegasus Boots, Titan Gloves, Boomerang, Hylian Shield, etc... What does each piece of the Triforce do? Lasty, what class/race do you believe Link to be, and what level does he start his adventure and ultimately end at?
Optional Build link from other Legend of Zelda games not mentioned here, but please specify. Give statistics for enemies, perhaps a favorite boss monster, Ganondorf, etc...
Most important, have fun!
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| #2Slit518Feb 03, 2015 19:30:52 | LoZ: ALttP http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_items_in_The_Legend_of_Zelda:_A_Link_to_the_Past
LoZ: OoT http://www.ign.com/wikis/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d/Items
LoZ: TP http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_items_in_The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Twilight_Princess |
| #3rampantFeb 03, 2015 19:47:48 | Half-elf, charisma and dex, bard, has an obscene number of attunement slots. |
| #4AaronOfBarbariaFeb 03, 2015 21:38:11 | A "What if Ganondorf conquered Hyrule but hasn't yet found the Triforce?" version of Hyrule is one of the areas of my group's home-brewed campaign setting.
In such place, I image Link to have been a wood elf fighter, equipped with the following:
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| #5rampantFeb 03, 2015 22:57:46 | That's not even close, We know Link has personal magic power, and can play mundane instruments proficently in at least a couple of his incarnations and has the skill for magical ones in tons of them. Seriously? Spell storing? Also I'm not sure that the gauntlets of ogre power are really gonna cut it here, we need something that will let link act like a larger critter for pushing/lifting, and posisbly other functions as well. Odds are we're lookign at a lot of custom magic items here.
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| #6AaronOfBarbariaFeb 03, 2015 23:54:34 | Oh. Okay... thanks for pointing out how off my personal take on an entirely subjective thing is from your objective knowledge on the subject. I'd have felt really silly if anyone had come along, read what I wrote and thought "yeah, that could work. I don't have to exactly match every little detail including ones not explicitly detailed by the games like how heavy the heavy rocks are." And I said spell turning, not spell storing, at least read my post correctly if you are going to be respond to them. |
| #7Devils-AdvocateFeb 04, 2015 0:57:09 | Yeah, link is DEFFINITELY a Fighter... I suppose if you insist on giving him spells instead of relying on items (which is pretty much his *thing*) you could give him the Eldritch Knight Subclass. |
| #8ZardnaarFeb 04, 2015 1:23:21 | Dex based elf or half elf fighter with some bard levels or performer back ground. |
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| #10IxidorRSFeb 04, 2015 8:05:57 | I'm thinking a blur of Eldritch Knight and Bard sounds right.
Bard has some issues because of the inspiration dice, but he could be a valor bard to use his own inspiration and there's some spots in the game where you could argue he inspired others.
What kind of class is the best at finding wondrous items and magic items and solving puzzles?
Wait, maybe he's an Arcane Trickster, actually...
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| #12rampantFeb 04, 2015 10:05:21 | I'm almost tempted to say warlock-ranger hybrid, most of his spells are granted abilities with nature or fairy themes, there was a pretty good bard build for him floating aorund in 3e that abused the heck out of use magic device.
IT almost has to be a multi-class since link is set up as a solo hero and any one class would lack the versatility. Paladin may be the closest but he'd need careful backgorund selection and probably have to take the skilled and save prof feats at least once each. |
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| #14VahnyuFeb 04, 2015 11:54:27 | The Adventure of Link: All Magic (Includes Shield, Jump, Life (Cure Wounds), Fire (Fire Bolt), Thunder)
A Link to the Past: Ether Medallion, Quake Medallion, and Bombos Medallion.
Ocarina of Time: Din's Fire, Nayru's Love, Farore's Wind (Teleportation or Gate?)
Majora's Mask: The transformed abilities, Deku Bubble, Zora Electric Shield Net, Goron Roll, Fierce Deity's Sword Beams.
The Spinning Sword Attack also consumes magic, and while Link does need to have a sword, any sword will do.
One can make a case that all of Link's Arrow magic is a case of Elemental Weapon, since he uses his normal arrows as a base, and can switch their elements practically at will |
| #15Pompadour64Feb 04, 2015 12:28:25 | He would totally have a pixie familar that grants him advantage on History, Arcana, and Nature skill checks |
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| #18rampantFeb 04, 2015 13:37:35 | Both, link is a supremely versatile and well equipped adventurer. |
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| #20ankiyavonFeb 04, 2015 14:41:02 | Personally I think he fits best as a ranger.
He can be either a nonspellcasting ranger with magic items, or a spellcasting ranger who was taught specific spells. He's expert with both a sword and a bow. (He doesn't dual-wield, but dual-wielding is an optional part of all good rangers, and in my opinion does not define the class.) He's an outdoorsman and good at soaking damage in light armor. |
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| #22JenksFeb 04, 2015 14:56:47 | I agree with Aaron. There are some things that Link does as a character, spin attack, dodge roll, play instruments (but that inheirently doesnt do anything magic), and be mute. But a lot of his flashier abilities are items that imbue him with incredible abilities.
All the magic medalions in OoT, the Roc feather from links awakening, the capes and rods from LttP, the Masks from MM, all the Boomerangs and Bows throughout the games were all items. I definately imagine a light armor fighter (not necessarily dex since mastersword is totally a long sword) loaded with magical gear he adventured for.
Which brings up a good point. Remember that at the start of an adventure, level 1, link can't do much. He gets all these cool things throughout his adventuring. So there's no real reason to bring some of this stuff up real early, plus it a good reason for him to have several magic items. |
| #23Pompadour64Feb 04, 2015 15:13:48 | He definitely appears to be a dex fighter to me. He uses ranged weapons well, and he's not exactly as bulky as you'd expect from a strength fighter. Maybe the mastersword is a longsword that has the finesse property, because magic |
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| #26Slit518Feb 04, 2015 15:39:35 |
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| #29Slit518Feb 04, 2015 16:07:51 |
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| #31VahnyuFeb 04, 2015 18:02:00 | Most Iconic things about Link (in no particular order):
With all those in mind, here's my take on Link: Link Rogue Thief 4, Bard of Lore 4, Fighter Archery Battlemaster 8, Paladin of Devotion (Courage) 4
Race: Human (Since he doesn't have Darkvision), Variant Human
Starting Ability Scores via Pointbuy 27: STR 13+1, DEX 15+1, CON 10, INT 10, WIS 10, CHA 14
Total Feats: 7 (1 Human, 1 Rogue, 3 Fighter, 1 Bard, 1 Paladin). Dungeon Delver, +2 Dex, Keen Mind(Compass + Dawn of the First day, 72 hours remain), +2 Dex, Mounted Combatant, Sharpshooter, Shield Master. Maneuvers Known (5): Goading Attack (Z-Targetting), Lunging Attack, Precision Attack, Riposte, Sweeping Attack. Equipment of Choice: Padded Leather Armor, Shield, Rapier (Reflavored as a longsword), Longbow + Arrows, Hooded Lantern, Grappling Hook+Silken Rope, Alchemist's Fire, Climber's Kit, Musical Insturment (Flute or Shawm reflavored as an Ocarina), Thieves' Tools, Cartographer's Tools, Holy Symbol (Emblem, Triforce), Gauntlets of Ogre Power, Boots of Speed, 5x Vials, Greatsword, Warhammer, Whip, Quarterstaff. Background: Folk Hero Skill Proficiencies: Animal Handling (Expertise), Survival, Acrobatics, Athletics, Perception, Stealth(Expertise), Insight, Performance(Expertise), Nature, Arcana, Religion. Tools Proficiencies: Cartographer's Tools, Thieves' Tools(Expertise), Musical Instrument (Flute or Shawm reflavored as an Ocarina) Spells Known: 3 Bard Cantrips(Mage Hand, True Strike, Vicious Mockery), 7 Bard Spells (Dissonant Whispers, Heroism, Healing Word, Longstrider, Unseen Servant, Enhance Ability, Locate Object), Paladin Spells Spells Prepared: 7 Bard Spells (Dissonant Whispers, Heroism, Healing Word, Longstrider, Unseen Servant, Enhance Ability, Locate Object), 4+2 Paladin Spells (Bless, Compelled Duel, Divine Favor, Protection from Good and Evil, Sanctuary Thunderous Smite) Spell Slots: Level 6 (4, 3, 3) |
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| #33rampantFeb 04, 2015 22:39:11 | Khoravaire from Eberron, in toril it happens occasionally but due to reasons they don't really ever assemble in the numbers or develop a unified culture. |
| #34Devils-AdvocateFeb 04, 2015 22:57:15 |
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| #35QmarkFeb 04, 2015 23:15:20 | On that note, what the hell is Wario supposed to be? |
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| #37ImaculataFeb 05, 2015 5:40:47 | Don't forget his other equipment:
Bow and arrows (20) Bombs (10) Two jars and a net (for catching fairies) Portable ladder (can bridge small gaps of up to 15 ft. wide) Small raft Hookshot (might have to create a new weapon type for this) Bag of magical powder (10 uses) Candle Rations (grumble grumble) Ring of Protection +1 Magical whistle of teleport without error (1 use per day) Boomerang of stunning Ocarina Eternal wand of Finger of Fire |
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| #40IxidorRSFeb 05, 2015 8:42:34 |
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| #42Slit518Feb 05, 2015 9:30:05 | Would it possibly make more senese for Link to be a Kender? I have never read any Dragonlance books, so I am not 100% sure what a Kender is, I just heard them described as being similar to Halflings. We need something woodsy, without darkvision that has pointed ears. Does Kender provide that? |
| #43AaronOfBarbariaFeb 05, 2015 9:41:41 | If you feel it is imperitve to the concept of the character that darkvision not be included, I'd go for saying that Hylians are humans that happen to have pointed ears, but then I find whether Link can see in the dark or not to be far less important for the character than whether he is ~3' tall when a child or ~3' tall even when fully grown. |
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| #46TimboramaFeb 05, 2015 10:16:00 | Let's not forget that Link is a (mostly) silent protagonist. Kinda the opposite of Kender...
Albeit Kender love randomly stealing things and somehow get away with it and other petty crimes like grabbing pigs or attacking chickens. So...that part makes sense (as you clobber a man's pots just for a few scraps of money, only to leave and do it all again to his neighbor...).
Also they all love to pretend to be the most famous Kender of all. But which Kender is the REAL hero of time o_O |
| #47IxidorRSFeb 05, 2015 10:21:32 | Looking at the Zelda wiki page for Hylian, I don't think any of the existing races quite fit. http://zeldawiki.org/Hylian
This is about what I'm thinking Hylian would look like as a race.
Stats - Wis +2, Choice of another stat +2 (Link would be Wis/Dex, I think). Hylian Telepathy - You can communicate with other Hylians telepathically and other Hylians can communicate to you telepathically. This can be done no matter what distance and even if you are on different planes. Magic Focus - You can use instruments as an arcane focus for any classes spells. Hylian Weapon Training - You gain proficiency with shortswords, longsword, shortbows, and longbows.
For the Hylian Telepathy, maybe there should be a catch, like not being able to do it during stressful situations (combat, social encounters) or requiring 10 minutes or just replacing it with one of the spells that's a bit similar or limiting the range / who you can telepathy with by level. This was mostly going off the times when other Hylians communicate to Link (sometimes across time as well as space). |
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| #50Slit518Feb 05, 2015 10:52:20 | Here is what I was thinking for the Hylian race myself while I were in the shower, Hylian Age - Hylians age/mature just as human's do, but live slightly longer, some living to be hundreds of years old. Size - Hylians vary in size just as human's do, with most around 5'6"-6', but others being as short as 4' to as tall as 8' as an adult, their size is medium. Speed - your speed is 30'. Looks - their skin ranges from a pale white to a golden brown, with hair and eyes ranging from all colors. Language/writing - Hylians speak their own language, which would be similar to what Common is for other settings. Hylians also write in a runic script similar to a combination of Elven and Dwarven lettering. Racial Traits - +2 to any statistic, as well as 2 skills or tools of their choice, as Hylians are versatile in many things. Skill affinity - take one character skill, whether it be from background, race or class, double the proficency bonus it gives to you.
Link's stats, 72 point buy, 1 for 1 Age - 16; 18 Strength - 10 - it's been stated he isn't very strong and he wields his weaposn with more finess. Dexterity - 16 +2 racial = 18 - he wears light armor, magical chain shirt at highest level, and is good with a bow as well as other ranged attacks. Constitution - 12 - he can take a beating, even as a kid. Intelligence - 10 - he isn't overly book smart, just kind of average. Wisdom - 14 - a bit in tune with nature, uses his judgement to over come obstacles. Charisma - 10 - really, no personality what so ever, just an average guy who is chosen because Zelda is confident he is the only one who can do the task.
Next up I will come up with this class and background, feel free to come up with your own. P.S. Most of my build will be based off of my favorite Zelda game, A Link to the Past. *edit #47* |
| #51Devils-AdvocateFeb 05, 2015 11:15:52 | Personally, if I were making a Hyrule campaign setting, I would just use the Variant Human racial traits for Hylians and the standard ones for other humans. |
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| #56OculeFeb 05, 2015 12:13:42 | Alright screw it why not. Here is my take on Link from Ocarina of time. Taking into account his background and how few abilities he actually has without his mcguffins I have come to the conclusion that he has very few actual abilities. He is a hero of the realm which places him at the end of the second tier at level 10. So the character by the end of the game is as follows i feel is a fairly accurate representation of the character translated into D&D terms. The only thing i was debating is gauntlets of ogre strength are ideal but the belt of giants strength is probably a more accurate depiction starting with the weakest one and ending at belt of fire giant for up to 25 strength. He started the game with very little strength and uses the aid of the magic items in order to rectify that weakness. His spells were given to him as wands instead of a spellcasting because link doesn't have access to spells in the same way a bard does despite his use of the Ocarina. So the Ocarina is a unique artifact that you can learn spells from it as you progress through the story and learn songs for. They are activated with a successful perform check. Luckily the Half Elf has granted us two extra proficiencies so one of those is naturally Perform to use an Ocarina although a specific proficiency for Ocarinas could work as well. Naturally this character would be phenominally overpowered in any sane game by level 10 but would work alright as a solo character.
Name: Link Class: Fighter (Champion) 10 Race: Half Elf Background: Outlander Alignment: Chaotic Good Hit Dice: 84 (10d10+20) AC: 21 (+3 Chain Shirt, Shield) Starting Ability Scores: 10, 16,14, 14, 8, 14 Final Ability Scores: 19, 18, 14, 14, 8, 14 Ability Score Improvements: Medium Armor Master, Mounted Combatant, +2 Dex Saving Throw Proficiency: Strength (+8), Constitution (+6) Skill Proficiencies: Animal Handling, Athletics, Perception, Perform, Stealth, Survival Languages: Common, Elvish, Sylvan Race Features: Darkvision, Fey Ancestry, Skill Versatility, Class Features: Fighting Style (Duelist, Archer), Second Wind, Action Surge , Martial Archtype (Improved Critical, Remarkable Athlete, Additional Fighting Style), Extra Attack, Indomitable Magical Equipment: Gaunlets of Ogre Strength (Alternately use Gaunlets of Giant Strength Fire for 25 strength), Effreeti Chain Shirt, Marid Chain Shirt (Water breathing and swim speed. Will never be crushed by weight of water), Boots of Levitation, Spellguard Shield (successful save redirects the attack to 1 target within range), Mastersword (A simple magic sword), Ocarina of Time (Unique Artifact produces magical effects on successful perform check), Din's Fire (Functions as a Wand of Fireball, centered onself and excludes Link from the blast), Favore's Wind (Wand of Dimension Door), Nayru's Love (Wand of Otiluke's Reslient Sphere) [Each wand has 7 charges and regenerates 1d6+1 charge at each dawn. DC 15 and expends 1 charge per cast], Enchanted Arrows (Radiant, Flaming and Freezing), Gem of Seeing
Equipment: Weighted Boots, Hylean Shield, Greatsword, Longbow, Gold Pouch, Dynamite, WarHorse, Warhammer, Grappling Hook (60ft), Deku Nuts (Everyone within 60 feet makes a DC 15 con save or is blinded for 1 minute. Target may repeat the saving throw at the end of each turn), Bombs (60 ft range, each creature in 5 ft of the explosion must make a DC 12 Dexterity saving throw or take 3d6 bludgeoning damage. Follow rules for Dynamite except bombs are purchased already at a given strength)
Attacks: Master Sword (+3 Longsword) To hit: +11 Damage: 1d8+7 Longbow: To hit: +10 Damage: 1d8+2d6 (Radiant, Cold or Fire Depending on Arrow Type)+4
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| #60bawylieFeb 05, 2015 13:35:09 | Link dumpstats his Dex. Think about it. Chain armor, a shield & sword, a sledgehammer, & a 2 handed-sword?
His most-used ranged weapon is the boomerang (hurled) and the bow, for which a fairy has to help him aim!
Whenever he sneaks, he's got to hide in a barrel or something, and he can't dodge for beans (hence the shield).
14 Dex at BEST!
For CON - well, the way he increases HP is via defeating Laired monsters or exploring - in other words, leveling up. So he's probably got average con.
Mostly I tend to think he's got higher WIS & CHA. People frequently comment on how handsome he is, he's got better than average skills in various instruments, and he's notably brave and intrepid. He's more likely to identify and exploit a monster's weakness than out-think it or beat it silly.
Call me crazy, but his array feels like: Str 13-14 Dex 10-12 Con 10-11 Int 8 Wis 14-15 Cha 14-15 |
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| #63bawylieFeb 05, 2015 13:56:13 | "Do you understand? Do you need me to repeat this? Here, the location you need is in blue text. Better? Are you sure?"
"Yeah, hero or whatever, you've been working for me the whole time..."
That wall sounds different when I tap it, I should charge head-first into it.
I know a lot of my enemies breathe fire, so I brought a wooden shield, a wooden sword, and I carry a LOT of explosives.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Sheik was Zelda?!? |
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| #69Devils-AdvocateFeb 05, 2015 15:27:19 |
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| #70OrietFeb 05, 2015 15:48:00 | I don't really agree with low intelligence and high wisdom. According to the PHB intelligence measures mental acuity, information recall, and analytical skill, where wisdom is awareness, intuition, and insight. Charisma does make sense to be high for him since it measures confidence, eloquence, and leadership, as you never run across anyone as brave/courageous as Link, and people treat him favorably (even after he loots their homes while they watch).
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