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#1 blake_marlowe Sep 06, 2014 12:24:08	apologies if this has been discussed already but i didn't see a thread for it in the past 3 pages.   MCing into fighter or paladin gives: simple weapons, martial weapons, light & medium armors. MCing into ranger does all that, +1 skill.   is it me or does this seem just too darned good for 1 level?   considering ranger isn't proficient in heavy armor, but fighter & paladin are, i'm wondering if this was just a proofreading error.
#2 mellored Sep 06, 2014 13:20:17	MC cleric is too good.   Ranger is kinda weak.
#3 Thoughts_My_Aim Sep 06, 2014 13:36:36	Don't forget you have to take the first-level benefits into account as well. MC Fighter gets a broader range of fighting styles, plus second wind. MC ranger gets a narrower range of fighting styles and Favoured Enemy, which I'd argue is strictly less good.
#4 blake_marlowe Sep 06, 2014 15:15:28	fair points: i think i committed the cardinal sin of viewing benefits out of context. mea culpa.
#5 Huntsman57 Sep 08, 2014 22:16:04	I don't understand how, after 5 editions, they still can't create a ranger class that isn't dramatically underwhelming.
(Reply to #2) Ashrym	mellored wrote:
#7 mellored Sep 09, 2014 5:58:41	Ashrym wrote:
#8 mellored Sep 09, 2014 6:04:21	Huntsman57 wrote:
(Reply to #7) Ashrym	mellored wrote:
#10 mellored Sep 09, 2014 12:41:03	Ashrym wrote:
#11 Talaeden_Denthiir Sep 09, 2014 12:55:24	Unfortunately, NOTHING is worth a, 2 level dip", in 5E, unless u want to give up an Ability Score increase or Feat.  Since stat increases/feats are CLASS based and NOT Level based, u forfeit one if you don't at least multiclass for 4 levels.  This not only gimps MCing mechanically but, RPing wise as well.  So does what u gt for multiclassing and the unfairness of some classes needing two prereqs and others not.    Case in point, one of my players came up with an awesome idea to have a character that was orphaned and grew up on the streets of a major city.  She resorted to thievery to survive and by level 2 Rog, was kicked out of the city into the wilderness.  In the wilds, alone again and abandoned, a wise old grand master monk found her, took her in, and trained her in the ways of the monk (Rog2/Mnk18).    Unfortunately, the mechanics gimp and punish the RP.  With two levels of Rog, instead of 4, she loses 1 stat bump/feat.  Also, she needs not just Dex but Wis to MC into monk.  RP wise though, it makes since for her to have a lower Wis, UNTIL she encounters the Grand Master to teach her Wis.      So, she's better off starting as a monk to not have MC stat restrictions, get better MC with taking Rogue at level 2 for extra skill and thieves tools, then 3 more levels of Rogue to get a total of 5 stat boosts/feats, then go back to Monk the rest of the way which makes absolutely NO RP sense at all!    And they say the last edition didn't support RP!  This edition out right restricts it unless you like being punished for Good RP!   Too make matters worse, this player is my wife and was finally interesed in playing D&D again after a long hiatus and bam!  "Sorry honey, although the RAW lets u start off as a Rog2 to multiclass into Monk the rest of the way, ur gonna be severely gimped if u do."  It's like the RAW is prejudiced against' non pure single classed characters'.   p.s. - this msg was sent from my iPhone, so plz excuse any spelling/gramatical errors. p.p.s. - in general I Love 5E.
#12 mellored Sep 09, 2014 13:05:41	Talaeden_Denthiir wrote:
#13 Talaeden_Denthiir Sep 09, 2014 13:22:32	mellored wrote:
#14 Talaeden_Denthiir Sep 09, 2014 13:32:49	I just feel that having ability score boosts being tied to level and giving the Ftr and Rog bonus boosts would've came to the same conclusion without gimping the MC rules.   I.E., if Fighters get bonus stat boosts at levels 6 and 14 and Rogues at level 10, give everyone based on level boosts at levels 4, 8, 12, 16, and 19, then give Fighters class bonus boosts at levels 6 and 14 and Rogues at level 10. And don't tell me it's a, "balance issue", cuz' spellcasters don't get nerfed.  Heck, there is even a whole chart on page 165 of the PHB, to make sure they don't get nerfed. The figters and rogues still get ability score bonuses and the MC'ers don't get nerfed.  Win - Win!
#15 Lawolf Sep 09, 2014 13:37:42	Aren't backgrounds designed for those "RP Multiclass" issues? Instead of going Rog 2/ Monk X, just be a Monk with the criminal background.
(Reply to #15) Talaeden_Denthiir	Lawolf wrote:
#17 Shasarak Sep 09, 2014 14:24:38	Lawolf wrote:
#18 Lawolf Sep 09, 2014 15:07:56	Talaeden_Denthiir wrote:
#19 MechaPilot Sep 09, 2014 19:05:26	Shasarak wrote: