I've been looking for mechanically interesting multiclass combinations to see if there are any that stand out as being significantly more powerful than single class characters.
Barbarian 1 / Druid (Moon) 2:Brown Bear gives you 34 extra HP and two strong attacks, rage gives +2 damage on both attacks and resistance to physical damage types, Unarmoured defence as a bear gives you 13 AC instead of 11
- Barbarian 2 gives reckless attack which you can basically use all the time since you have lots of free health and physical resistance
- Bariarian 3 (Berzerker) gives you an extra attack each turn since you have nothing else to use your bonus actions on (after raging and shaping)
- Barbarian 3 (Totem Bear) improves your resistance to cover everything but psychic
- Barbarian 4 lets you get the Sentinel feat which makes you a much more useful defender
- If you don't want to have the required strength to multiclass into Barbarian, you could rule that you only get your barbarian abilities while wild shaped, which would be cool, but would make you much less useful when you run out of wild shapes
Paladin 2 / Any Caster: would only work if you read the multiclassing rules to mean that combining your spell slots according to level means all your slots are paladin slots, in which case you'd get many more smites than a regular paladin.
- Paladin 5 gives your second attack so you can make use of your many smite slots
Ranger 3 (Beastmaster) / Anything Else: the companion scales everything based on your proficiency bonus, so you have no need to stay a ranger
- Ranger 5 lets you and your companion both attack in the same action, but is a waste of the levels if your other class gives the extra attack anyway
If you go really far into epic levels, Rogue (Arcane Trickster) 17 / Any Caster 9+ would let you steal spells above 4th level, which would be cool.
Would any of these combinations not work? Can you think of any others worth noting?
That's a pretty interesting Barb/Druid combo, nice work.
Warlock/Monk.
Hex will give you +1d6 per attack, and monks get a lot of those. It will also let a way of shadow monk take devil's sight, delicious!
Wiz 5/ Cleric 5/ Sorc 5/ Bard 5
It's for the player who wants to keep track of (5+con mod)*2 + 5 + Wis mod + 5 + int mod spells! Full slots at level 20, but nothing more powerful than 3rd level!
I suppose you could do Druid instead of Bard or Sorc, but the effect remains the same! This is the penultimate scaling spell-slinger!
Cleric 1/ wizard 19. Get plate and shield on a wizard without loosing much of anything.
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mellored wrote:
I'd just like to say how much I am really enjoying the fact that some attention is being paid to lower level combinations that you would actually play for a while, rather than just assuming the character leaps full born at 20th level from Zeus' head.
Here's one that's been talked about:
Warlock-2/Any Cha-Based Class X-2 [particularly Valorous Bard]
Most of the Warlock''s offensive power froms from the combination of Eldritch Blast and the invocation Agonizing Blast. Eldritch blast unlike all other attack cantrips gives you more attacks as you level up (and like all cantrips scales by character level, not class level) and Agonizing Blast adds +Cha mod per attack.
This this combo gets the Lion's share of the Warlock's offensive potential and still lets you get 18 levels worth of a cha based class of your choice.
-Polaris
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Wiz 5/ Cleric 5/ Sorc 5/ Bard 5
It's for the player who wants to keep track of (5+con mod)*2 + 5 + Wis mod + 5 + int mod spells! Full slots at level 20, but nothing more powerful than 3rd level!
Actually you can still cast spells up to 9. As long as you find them during your adventures you can copy them in your spellbook from scrolls or other wizards' selections. Wizards multiclass very well indeed.
Litania84it wrote:
This is cool. I personally love multiclassing, especially since we have a small group (DM+ 2-3 PCs)
I'm still waiting, though. I know I'm buying the MM no matter what...But, yeah. For X-mas I bet I'll get all 3 books...
It's be cool if they put them out in a 3-pack with sleeve in Dec.
I really am interested in that druid/barb combo. I've never tried (or had a player try) that...It wouldn't have worked in 4e very well, IMO. But now...
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I don't know about it being powerful, but I was thinking about playing a Rogue - Arcane Trickster/ Sorcerer - Wild Mage. Because it would just be fun.
A Warlock 1/Rogue 1 with Hex = Hex (1d6) + Sneak Attack (1d6) at character level 2. As long as you can keep concentrating on the Hex spell, you can keep moving the hex around (for up to an hour) each time an enemy you have hexed drops.
The favorite I've found so far is Barbarian 2/Rogue 18.
This takes you getting to 20 to pull off and obviously is not ideal, but you have advantage on ALL attacks while never having disadvantage on ANY attacks against you. Then again, 20 level characters are doing some pretty insane stuff anyways, but this is hilarious. Most of us won't be playing level 20 characters, so here are some lower level ones.
Barbarian 2 multi-classes well with lower level rogue anyways. Danger Sense gives you advantage against all effects that you can see, including spells and traps. That's pretty nice for a rogue, especially when you get Evasion from Rogue 7. Advantage to all save for half spells, that you take no damage from on a save. But even Barbarian 2/Rogue 1 has advantage on all trap damage he or she can see.
Eldritch Knight 3/Warlock 3
The level 3 EK ability lets you attune two weapons. As a bonus action, you can summon them every turn if they are on the same plane as you. You can turn any weapon you can throw into a weapon of Returning with this. As Warlock, you can create any weapon type as an action. Then if you attune to it, as long as it isn't away from you more than 5 feet for one minute, you can get it back every turn. You would have to be prevented from taking bonus actions to not be able to get it back. Plus, you can make any magic weapon your pact weapon, with basically the "Returning" feature from EK3.
Knowledge Cleric 2/Rogue 11
Using a channel divinity, you get proficiency in whatever. As a rogue of level 11, you can't roll below a 10 with Reliable Talent, since you technically have proficiency so RAW Reliable Talent works.
And, below is my absolute favorite reasonable level synergy.
Champion Fighter 7/Bard 2
Remarkable Athele gives you half your proficiency bonus, rounded UP, to any Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution check you make that doesn't already use your proficiency bonus. Bard's Jack of All Trades gives you half of your proficiency bonus, rounded DOWN, to ANY ability check that doesn't already include it.
Here is what this does. For any Str, Dex, or Con check, the rounding up and down even out and you ALWAYS end up with your precise proficiency bonus if you don't already add your proficiency bonus to the roll. And, if I am reading this right, ANY Str, Dex, or Con check works even if no existing skill proficiency applies. Int, Wis and Con still get your proficiency bonus rounded down, so that's +2 to +3 to any of those (level 9 is +4 prof, half is +2, you don't get +3 til character level 17).
Does your DM rule that underwater basketweaving can't benefit from any artisan tool proficiency or skill proficiency, but is a pure Dex check? Who cares, Champ 7/Bard 2 gets full proficiency bonus anyways! Does your DM rule that it's really a Wis check? That's ok, you still get half your proficiency bonus which is anywhere from +1 to +3 more than any non-Bard 2 (obviously you only get +1 with only Bard 2 and nothing else)! I also like that this helps you get away from the "dumb fighter" motif without using Eldritch Knight (although EK is probably my favorite subclass)
I would also like to state that I find none of these syngergies OP by any sense of the word. System mastery in my opinion seems more flavorfully interesting than mechanically overpowered.
I love the barb/druid now... he could use flameblade for 3d6 damage.
I'm just not sure what "melee spell attack" means mechanically in 5th edition yet.
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Is the level 1 fighter splash for a Rogue worth it? Dual wield+ second wind. Also wondering if fighter 4/Rogue4 is better than Rogue 8.
A 2 level dip might be better as it would grant you Action surge. If you are dual-wielding, that woudl grant you 4 SA attempts once/SR, and you only need one of those attacks to connect - a likely proposition.
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I like Paladin/Sorcerer and Paladin/Warlock.
Whether or not you let them use Divine Smite with all of their slots (which I think is the intent, but not really the point), casting the 1st-level Smite spells is still quite good.
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Another thing: my wife is happy about is that MCing in 5e seems to not punish some builds like rogue/wizard so much. 4e kind of did, as you'd have a noticably weaker PC. DEX and INT both decided your reflex defense, so...having those as your best stats meant that your Fortitude and Will defenses were often somewhat weak.
4e hybrid rules were great in many ways, but they overly favored builds where class A and class B had the same key attribute. Anything else didn't synergize well, and therefore could suck in play. Obviously, this is always going to be at least somewhat true...but it seemed to stick out more in 4e. Also, the hybrid talent feat was a total feat tax, as you'd need it to unlock a really good feature of one of your classes you wouldn't get otherwise.
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Sorry Silent Sin but I think you are about the only one that's really arguing this point. The MC rules are very clear about this point. When you determine what spells you can learn or prepare, YOU IGNORE ALL OTHER CLASSES. That means you don't even look at how many slots you have as an MC character. That's completely irrelevent. You just look at your wizard level and since in this case a wizard-1 only has level one slots [all the other come from classes you are ignoring per the MC instructions], you can only prep or enter into your book level 1 wizard spells.
That is the RAW.
-Polaris
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Being a fighter type who takes one level of wizard would be awesome.
Scaling cantrips (no need for a ranged weapon, unless you're a DEX fighter, then DEX + would definitely be better than INT +) and a few interesting 1st level utility spells known. Hell, why would anyone not do this?
I actually completely agree with SilentSin, and that's how I have been playing my cleric/wizard in "Dead in Thay". I play at a Platinum Store btw, and was one of the official playtesters. The DMs had to agree with the RAW ruling: it specifically says, in the "spellbook" section, that a wizard can add to his grimoire spells of a level for which he has slots.
NOW, I also see the point of those who claim the contrary and that very possibly it wasn't intended to be read as I did.
I think we all gotta agree that it's unclear. Any word from above?
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I'll agree that the the overall rules aren't well written regarding the MC wizard (have I mentioned yet how I hate the "common language" approach when it comes to writing rules?), but IMHO trying to claim that a Wiz1/Cleric 19 can learn and cast 9th level wizard spells not only involves a misunderstanding of the written rules but a deliberate misreading of them to get the result you want....and frankly that offends me as a proud optimizer.
The MC rules for learning and preparing spells for MC casters is quite clear. For the purposes of learning or preparing spells, you treat each casting class individually as though it were a single class. That means that if a wizard 1 couldn't prepare or cast a spell, then a wiz1/cleric19 can't either. PERIOD.
The rules for copying spells in books depends on you being able to learn and prepare said spell in the first place, so appealing to that rules rather than the controlling prep/learn rule is IMHO an obvious attempt to snow the DM.
Sorry if that seems harsh, but that's how I am seeing it.
-Polaris
R393: FYI Jeremy Crawford confirmed on twitter a MC wizard cannot learn researched spells of higher level than he normally would as single-classed;
@Plaguescarred Can a MC Wizard 2/Cleric 18 learn a 3rd level spell, i.e fireball that he would find on is adventure?
@JeremyECrawford That character wouldn't be able to learn fireball, since he doesn't have enough levels in the wizard class.
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I havent had a chance to check out gnomes yet, but Im hoping they make a sick arcane trickster/illusionist. That was one of my go to combos in 2nd and 3rd edition.
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I feel the monk and the warlock make quite a few interesting multiclass combos. Apally/lock alone will make a few different combos by changing around subclasses. It also can make interesting background story to explain why a pally mixes his **** with lock powers. Does he make a deal with a powerful creature aligned with his goal or maybe by a creature he thinks is aligned with his goal.
As for monk, their is the cleric monk multiclass or sacred fist combo. I think a monkelement style plus barbarian might be used too make a drunkenmaster. Shadowmonk/ asassin rogue for a ninja build. And ofcourse a monk/druid for a kungfu panda for the win.
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Plaguescarred wrote:
I have a fantastic idea!
I created a thread called Can Wizard 1/Cleric 19 prepare and cast Meteor Swarm?
If clicking that doesn't work, you can copy and paste this here!
http://community.wizards.com/forum/product-and-general-dd-discussions/threads/4130386
Can we please move the wizard/X spellcaster argument there and use this thread for it's intended purpose? Thanks!
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TheLyons wrote:
How about Barbarian 2/Paladin?
Reckless attack for permanent advantage on your smite-y attacks, disadvantage against you ain't so bad in your plate armor (and possible shield). Better chance to hit, better chance to crit - which also doubles your smite dice.
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I think his was a poor choice of words that you are hanging on to valadate a point that cannot be won
I get it, really. I do, The problem is the confusion between class levels and character levels
Of course you would not ignore attribute afjustment and the increase would affect both classes.
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[Ranger2/Fighter1/Cleric1].
I figured I would chime in. I have a current build in mind for my Adventurers League character whom is a level 2 ranger. Start off as a wood elf ranger (typical i know) for 2 levels with the following stats: [Str (10)] [Dex (16)] [Con (14)] [Int (10)] [Wis (16)] [Cha (8)]. I would choose forest as my favored terrain, archery, favored enemy as orcs and drow (variant rule two humanoids) pertaining to my ranger that lived through the darkening caused by Menzoberranzen (if i spelled that wrong my bad) over the Silver Marches (especially Silverymoon where family was killed in the conflict). This would allow for Ranger spellcasting (2 spells goodberry/ hail of thorns), not much benefit after this until maybe later. I would then switch to Fighter and gain another fighting style, this time it would be the feat where i gain +1 armor class and second wind (I don't know if i can take archery again and gain an additional +2 but i will have to clarify that with my current coordinator/ this would be favorable though). Once that has been achieved then it will be off to gain a cleric level of the God Corellon Larethian, life domain for massive healing benefits, namely healing word bonus action 1d4+6 healing +domain cure wounds.
Give me your thoughts on this or if you know if you can take archery twice as a multiclasser, i doubt you can but it would be nice, and nothing in the PHB or the league rules state anything about doing this.
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Ranger 3 (Beastmaster) / Anything Else - You state that "Everything scales based on Proficiency Bonus", which does not apply to hit points, unfortunately. Your companion's hit points are the beast's "Base Max" or your ranger level * 4, I believe.
Monk/Warlock multiclass is cool, especially since one of the drawbacks of most Monks is the lack of ranged attack options - eldrich blast makes up for that. The best part is the story, though... My Warlock/Monk doesn't look like a fighter or a physically fit monk at all. Outwardly, he appears too scrawny (except for some extra padding around the middle), pale and bookish with a hunched, timid demeanor. The only remarkable thing about him physically is the dark red mystic tattoos that covermost of his body. When he tries, he can tap into the stored power of the demonic blood within the inks to perform amazing physical feats - his whole body seems covered in semi-translucent demonic armor (unarmored defense), ghostly claws seem to appear over his hands (accounting for the extra unarmed damage) and misty, insubstantial wings form at his back (increase speed and missile deflection). He is an elementalist - so he also has a demonic roar and can breathe fire. Someday he will probably fly.
Maybe I should take a level of Warlock for eldrich blast... it's not like level 20 monk is worth anything and I have to spend Ki to make a ranged attack right now.
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Ranger /rogue at early levels there are several ways to go about it. Take Ranger Archery go Hunter take Colossus Slayer you can ride that to 5 for extar attack at 6th one level rogue and add sneak attack.
Or Go to 3 at ranger at 4th go sneak attack then at 6th you get the extra attack. So sneak atatck +1d6 each turn and once they take damage +1d8 so bow damage +1d6 +1d8 quite nice I must say at early levels
You can end up 18ranger/2 rogue if you do not want fearless sense go 17ranger/3rogue go assaasin for assassinate so on a shot on first hit on a creature that has not attacked yet you crit you can mix that in earier if you want to go that route.
Plus you get the speels as some bonus
If you start human and go the variant option you get +1 point on two stats and a feat
Feat Options
SharpShooter
Lucky
Crossbow Expert if you want to go Crossbow route
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I believe you can twin an Eldritch Blast at level 1-4. If you want a basic EB spam build Warlock 2, Sorcerer XYZ works although I would take the Sorcerer level 1st (Sorc 1, Warlock 2, and Sorc2 at lvl 4).
"Twinned Spell (p. 102). To be eligible
for Twinned Spell, a spell must be incapable
of targeting more than one creature at
the spell’s current level."
Which is the way most people were playing it even before errata, anyway.
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Because "attack" != "spell." Period. End of discussion.
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"Oooooh, I took the Charger feat. I guess my Dash action means my Dash is an attack now. So I can make two Dashes in a round now because I have Extra Attack."
That above is your logic, Amitalia. It stinks.
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I like my damage **** Warlock blade pact 5/ rough assassin lvl 3/ fighter two weapon fighting lvl 1. Makes for a lot Damage. Other than rough lvl 3/ two weapon fighter lvl 10/ warlock lvl 1.
Just to drop a 411 on the attack issue that is being argued, I play a warlock blade pact as mentioned above In a lot of AL , drow warlock/ rough, uses his EBs as a attack directed at a target that cause damage. In 5th ed there two types damage eithor saves or attacks. Some spells like EB are direct attacks to a target that cause damage, while other spell target must save or be effected which may include damage.
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Also, that went downhill fast. At least I tried.
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OK, you guys might want to make a new thread for that discussion as it has nothing to do with the topic at hand (Multiclassing Synnergy.)
On-topic: I considered a Monk|Rogue|Ranger of some combination. Ranger to get Hunter's Mark. Monk to no long require armor. Rogue for everything else. Stacking SA with Hunter's Mark just makes sense. And having the ability to catch and throw back a ranged attack made against you *and getting to apply your Sneak Attack to that*.... just priceless.
"And having the ability to catch and throw back a ranged attack made against you *and getting to apply your Sneak Attack to that*.... just priceless. "
Msytic even, not Adept.
Yunru wrote:
Shouldn't this be in Player Help section instead of general?
I like (fighter 1/Bard 19) or (Fighter 1/favored soul 19) for an archer with +2 to hit from fighter. I would probably take fighter 2 after I got 9th level spells.
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