Sane Magic Item Prices

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#1

Saidor

Jun 27, 2015 9:38:48

Let's talk about flying items. There are a few items which give the ability to fly in the 5e DMG. Among the first I came across were the Winged Boots and the Broom of Flying. The Boots give a fly speed equal to your walking speed for 4 hours per day divisible into 1 minute chunks while the broom gives you a flat 50 foot fly speed all day long, decreasing to 30 feet if you are particularly heavy. Both are clearly very powerful, if you've got two sides in a combat one of which can fly and one of which can't the flying side has a huge advantage. If the other side also has no good ranged attacks the flying team more or less wins automatically. Yet both the Boots and the Broom are uncommon, they only cost 500 gold, pretty much any adventurer who decides they want one should be able to get their hands on one if they really want to. 

 

Right under the Winged Boots are the Wings of Flying. The Wings give you a fly speed of 60 feet for one hour but then require a 1d12 hour cooldown period after each use before they can be activated again. Again, a pretty powerful item, but probably less useful than either the Broom or the Boots for most practical purposes. The higher move speed will occasionally pay off, but usually the ability to fly whenever you want will win out in terms of practical utility. At most, it's definitely not better than either the Broom or the Boots. The Wings of Flying are a rare item. They are worth 5,000 gold, 10 times what the boots or broom are worth. 

 

The next item I found was the boots of levitation. These boots let you use levitate as the spell at will. Levitate moves you straight up or down only. It can never move you more than 20 feet off the ground or more than 20 feet up or down at a time. It has a similar weight limit to the Broom. It consumes your Concentration slot. You can't use it for longer than 10 minutes on end without returning to the ground. The boots of levitation are rare items. They are worth 5,000 gold, just like the Wings of Flying. 10 times more than the Winged Boots or the Broom. 

 

The next item I found was the potion of flying. The potion of flying gives a fly speed equal to your walk speed the same as the Winged Boots do. It lasts one hour like the Wings of Flying, and can only be used once ever. The potion of flying is Very Rare. It is worth 50,000. 100 times what an item that gives precisely the same effect 4 times every single day forever does. 

 

When the red mists had receded and I was once again able to speak in words other than the incoherent babblings of a shattered mind, I set about fixing this.

 

The fixed prices are located here. Please comment either here or there telling me what you think, if I've blatantly miscalculated the value of an item I'd like to know about it.

#2

FFSAA

Jun 27, 2015 10:36:43

Looks like there is an error in the random magic item tables.  If you want Winged Boots, or anything else off table A, B or F you will have to farm lower level monsters as going after level 17+ hordes will not get it for you.  Interesting that you can get Winged Boots in level 0 hordes but you can't get potion of flying until level 5.  If I got level 17 and I wasn't allowed to craft them I'd be running around wiping out kobold dens left and right until I got my boots.

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Saidor

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Greenstone.Walker

Jun 28, 2015 4:54:26

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Wuzzard

Jun 28, 2015 7:37:04

Flying items and potions were put on steep discount once the fly for free races started showing up. JK

 

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Scruffy68

Jun 28, 2015 7:49:51

Saidor wrote:
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Saidor

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 28, 2015 8:12:40

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ModusPonens

Jun 28, 2015 10:26:28

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote:
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Slit518

Jun 28, 2015 11:52:48

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Tempest_Stormwind

Jun 28, 2015 12:38:59

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote:
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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 28, 2015 14:42:38

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Saidor

Jun 28, 2015 16:44:26

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote:
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ModusPonens

Jun 28, 2015 17:45:32

Saidor wrote:
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Greenstone.Walker

Jun 28, 2015 21:09:34

Saidor wrote:
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FFSAA

Jun 28, 2015 21:27:38

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote:
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Saidor

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 29, 2015 9:55:14

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ModusPonens

Jun 29, 2015 9:59:05

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 29, 2015 11:17:27
To be fair to Saidor, I think it is reasonable to say that some DMG prices are hinky from a game balance perspective *if* you allow players to buy magic items for list price (dice it becomes trivial to kit everybody out with perma-flight). It's the claims of economic realism I think are unsubstantiated.
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Saidor

Jun 29, 2015 15:43:51

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ModusPonens

Jun 29, 2015 16:24:23

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Saidor

Jun 29, 2015 16:49:59

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ModusPonens

Jun 29, 2015 16:59:15

Saidor wrote:
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Saidor

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ModusPonens

Jun 29, 2015 22:09:26

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 30, 2015 4:43:21

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 30, 2015 5:28:06

Also: currently your "fixed" price lists include all spell scrolls of the same level at the same price, meaning that your market apparently values the ability to put up a big stone wall for ten minutes the same as the ability to bring a dead person back to life.

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Mommy_was_an_Orc

Jun 30, 2015 6:37:48

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ModusPonens

Jun 30, 2015 6:55:12

The entire point of the abstracted pricing/buying/selling system in the DMG is to avoid precisely these sorts of pseudo-economics exercises. They ditched the economics and went with a metaeconomy largely controlled by tables. For instance, look at how they tell you to run a business: roll to see if you make a profit or a loss. You don't need to audit the store's ledger, you just roll a d100 and get on with the game.

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 30, 2015 7:40:09

Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:
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Saidor

Jun 30, 2015 8:06:52

@Modus Okay, at this point we're actually going in circles. Feel free to reread my previous posts.

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 30, 2015 9:42:42

Saidor wrote:
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Mommy_was_an_Orc

Jun 30, 2015 10:26:42

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 30, 2015 10:44:44

Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:
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ModusPonens

Jun 30, 2015 12:09:39

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Saidor

Jun 30, 2015 15:36:21

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jun 30, 2015 15:48:42

Saidor wrote:
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Saidor

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jul 01, 2015 6:29:03

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Orethalion

Jul 01, 2015 6:32:03

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Orethalion

Jul 01, 2015 6:36:46

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Thoughts_My_Aim

Jul 01, 2015 7:21:20

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FFSAA

Jul 01, 2015 14:59:25

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote:
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Saidor

Jul 01, 2015 17:38:30

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote:
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Orethalion

Jul 01, 2015 18:57:53

Thoughts_My_Aim wrote: