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| #1arnwolf666Sep 24, 2014 17:26:21 | Am I missing something. Is there any reason for most spellcasters to even carry a weapon with the at-will cantrips. |
| #2Slyck314Sep 24, 2014 17:44:45 | If he takes a cantrip to attack with maybe. You could easily just take utility cantrips. |
| #3AshrymSep 24, 2014 17:47:24 |
Longer range than cantrips in the event range matters. At lower levels weapon damage is more than cantrip damage. |
| #4MistwellSep 24, 2014 17:49:27 | Opportunity attacks? |
| #5LawolfSep 24, 2014 18:04:19 | Reasons Weapons Are Useful
Deal more damage at low level Allow you to pick utility cantrips Might have superior range Allow you to dual wield Are not obviously magical in nature Allow you to make opportunity attacks
It basically becomes a matter of preference mostly. If you don't want to cast magical attacks at-will, don't take an attack cantrip. |
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| #7MiladoonSep 24, 2014 19:10:26 | With this edition, I can put a greatsword on my first level wizard and use utility cantrips. |
| #8strider13xSep 24, 2014 19:16:47 | Remember you are at Disadvantage when you make a ranged attack roll when an enemy is within 5'. |
| #9RavenmancerSep 24, 2014 22:21:12 | Attack cantrips are great. You can get a ranged one and a melee one and be set. Or take one that forces a save and not worry about it. But my wizard would still carry a ranged weapon even if he weren't proficient. Casting Light on a crossbow bolt or a dart is an easy way to check out a long corridor or cavern. Plus it makes for fun times if you actually stick one onto a baddie. |
| #10BW0222Sep 24, 2014 23:42:56 | Several reasons...
* Ranged cantrips in melee are at a disadvantage. * You may not have a melee and ranged cantrip. You may only know two or three cantrips and many classes don't have any. Shocking grasp is pretty much it for most classes. * Most cantrips do less damage than weapons -- typically as they don't get any type of ability bonus. * Most cantrips do a specific type of damage which may be useless against a foe. * You do not provoke opportunity attacks with cantrips. * You don't have the option of having reach weapons. * You can't dual wield for an extra attack. * You don't have the option to make a shove or tripping attack. * Your ranged cantrips may have limited range -- vs. say a bow or crossbow. * You might be silienced. * You often make yourself look like a spell caster -- hence making it more likely you'll be targetted.
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| #11ShiroikenSep 24, 2014 23:50:57 | Beholders |
| #12RamzourSep 25, 2014 2:19:20 | Everyone here missed the big one: because your character would want a weapon.
Who cares what the mechanical reasons are! There is no mechanical benefit to wearing pants, but your character probably does that, right? So what's the difference?
Also, without a dagger, how is your wizard supposed to cut up his material ingredients? Makes sense he would carry a "ritual knife" (aka dagger) with him.
And, without a wizard staff, how is your wizard supposed to look like a wizard? If you follow Pratchett logic, a wizard is only a wizard because people believe he's a wizard. You've gotta look the part. The hat. The shoes. And of course, the staff. Otherwise you'll get laughed at by everyone else. Or maybe your character wants to buck tradition and change things up! Wizards don't have to use a wizard staff, you proclaim! Maybe you can start your own Staffless Wizards Guild in Neverwinter.
(notice how none of my reasons involve numbers or dice?)
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| #15RamzourSep 25, 2014 3:38:56 | Yes, who wouldn't want a big knob on the end of your staff? |
| #16StrillSep 25, 2014 6:53:20 |
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| #17TimboramaSep 25, 2014 7:19:24 | Ha! Penal... |
| #18KarnosSep 25, 2014 9:13:48 | Extra attack under haste or similiar effects. |
| #19DemoMonkeySep 25, 2014 9:45:13 | Can you solve both problems by using your pants AS a weapon? |
| #20Eric888Sep 25, 2014 13:16:24 | Because of how point buy works, it is very common for spellcasters to have a starting dexterity modifer equal to their spellcasting modifier. So for levels 1-4, a light crossbow and potentially even a dagger can do more damage with the same to-hit as a cantrip.
The question isn't "why do casters have weapons?", the question should be "why are casters at my table using cantrips?" It all changes at level 5 of course. |
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| #22RamzourSep 25, 2014 14:22:39 |
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| #24SaelornSep 25, 2014 14:28:51 |
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| #25StuleBrownSep 25, 2014 15:04:20 |
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| #26RamzourSep 25, 2014 15:21:07 | Ray of Frost cannot do the same thing a dagger or staff can do....and vice versa. Different damage types, different purposes.
If you want to bash a guy in the head, you use a staff. If you want to cut a piece of bread, you use a blade. If you want to freeze your enemies, use Ray of Frost.
There are plenty of reasons to use any given attack. There is no one weapon or cantrip that is always better if every situation. |
| #27StrillSep 25, 2014 15:21:43 |
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| #28ZardnaarSep 25, 2014 15:23:48 | Cleric attack cantrip sacred flame kind of stinks at low levels so if you are a wood elf cleric for example a longbow is better similar deal if you are a Dwarf. |
| #29RamzourSep 26, 2014 0:37:55 |
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| #30ZardnaarSep 26, 2014 3:20:16 |
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| #31RamzourSep 26, 2014 4:13:51 |
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| #32ZardnaarSep 26, 2014 4:22:10 |
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| #33RamzourSep 26, 2014 5:11:08 | I agree with you that before level 5, the weapon probably deals a bit more damage than the cantrip because you add your ability modifier to damage. But that's not the only part of the equation. What about all the other factors involved?
What's the distance to the target? Does the target have cover? Does the target have better AC or Saves? Is the target vulnerable or resistant to certain damage types? How much ammo do you have? Do you have 2 hands free to use a bow (which means you cannot use a shield)? Does the caster have a good weapon stat (STR or DEX) compared to their casting stat? Do you currently have Advantage or Disadvantage on attack rolls? |
| #34Brock_LandersSep 26, 2014 5:43:28 |
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| #35RamzourSep 26, 2014 6:06:31 |
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| #36Brock_LandersSep 26, 2014 6:15:45 |
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| #37RastapopoulosSep 26, 2014 8:55:54 |
At will cantrips?
Sorry, don't know what it is, never heard of it, never will.
Might as well have a side-arm for emergencies when your spells run out for the day. |