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#1 Scruffy68 Aug 15, 2015 19:36:31	How would others handle this situation...   My players are on their way to deal with the orcs at Wyvern Tol in LMoP.  They are in the foothills at the moment.  A random encounter roll resulted in them encountering an ogre.  Instead of springing an encounter immediately, they started seeing evidence of a large humanoid creature in the area (tracks etc).  Someone scouted ahead and when they came over the top of a hill, they spotted the orge 200 yards down, busy feasting on something that it had killed.  The party decided to sneak within range in order to use long bows and spells (so, within 120' of the ogre).   Given that the ogre is 200 yards down the hill, the party needed to travel/sneak 480'!  The hill was covered in random bushes and tall grass.   What checks would you require your characters to make in order to sneak within range?   On a side note, I am considering going back to AD&D rules for ranges.  I think I prefer the short/medium/long range with outdoor ranges being in x10 yards and indoor being x10 feet with +0/-2/-5 penalties for ranges.  This normal/long range with disadvantage at long range seems harsh.
#2 Noon Aug 15, 2015 21:04:06	One roll per PC, group roll, with disadvantage if I feel it was harder for some reason.   Rolling for every X feet will just see them fail eventually.
#3 Rya.Reisender Aug 16, 2015 0:15:10	Distance doesn't matter at all (except for visible range). If they want to move all together and stealthily, each PC rolls stealth. This stealth result stays until the PC is spotted (this is according to the rules). The ogre might probably not actively search for threats so you can directly compare it with its passive perception.   In other words "I try to sneak past the ogre" or "I try to move stealthily until I'm can attack the ogre with my bow" is one single action that can succeed or fail per PC, even if it involves several minutes of walking stealthily.   If you decide that at one point the ogre looks around to see where he can find e.g. more food, then at that point he rolls perception. If that result is higher than any of stealth rolled, a character might get spotted at that point and the situation changes (I'd then ask players how they want to react on that).   Also in this situation splitting the party might apply. If only a single PC is spotted, the Ogre can't be surprised, so the fewer PCs go ahead, the higher the chance to get surprise. Though if you just move stealthily to begin the combat in "hidden" condition then you might as well just try it with all.
#4 Brimleydower Aug 16, 2015 3:44:54	I'd probably just have each PC make a single stealth roll on approach, if I make them roll at all. That's a lot of distance between them and a likely distracted soon-to-be-foe. Given that they've got some decent cover (tall grass and bushes) and it's so far away, I'd give the ogre a Disadvantage on the Perception check.
#5 lawrencehoy Aug 16, 2015 6:25:05	Brimleydower wrote:
#6 Scruffy68 Aug 16, 2015 7:47:47	Thanks for the responses.  What I did was close to most of these.  I had each party member roll 1 stealth check with advantage, given the cover and distracted ogre.  Just wanted to make sure I wasn't too far off.   Rya.Reisender wrote:
#7 Dwarfslayer Aug 16, 2015 11:02:24	I'd give each PC a stealth check versus the ogres passive perceptions. For each PC that exceeded the ogre's base PP by 10 or more I'd allow them to grant advantage to one other PC of thier choice (they can wait to see what the rolls are). Then I'd note the PCs stealth rolls and compare it to the ogre's passive perceptions. At long range (probably I'd say over 100 feet), I'd grant the ogres disdavnatage (-5)  on thier passive perceptions. When the PCs got within 100 feet, I'd remove the disadvantage and see if that'd result in any PCs being detected.
#8 Rya.Reisender Aug 17, 2015 0:18:21	Scruffy68 wrote:
#9 iserith Aug 17, 2015 6:09:09	Scruffy68 wrote:
(Reply to #8) Scruffy68	Rya.Reisender wrote:
#11 BRJN Aug 17, 2015 14:55:48	If I am correctly understanding the situation, the PCs only have to cover 80 feet while Hiding.  (200 foot range when first sighting the ogre - 120 foot max weapon range) Unless they for some reason want to approach it from a different direction.