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throwing weapon specialist fighters

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#1
tbone777
Sep 05, 2014 6:32:17 So quick question. I have a player who has decided to play a fighter specialized in throwing spears. Think hoplite type warrior. He took fighter and archery as his fighting style. Which is fine cuz it works with all ranged weapons. He took human variant and the sharpshooter feat which works great for thrown weapons as they have shorter ranges in general. So far so good. But when I looked at scaling for him and subclasses it starts to break down some. So eldrich knight gets to summon a bonded weapon back to them as a bonus action. Perfect for throwing his spear and then calling it back to his hand. This seems the ideal use of this class feature. He could even use his action surge to throw it again! But what about when he gets an extra attack at 5th level and more beyond that? It states the extra attack is done as part of your attack action. So at 5th level there is no -throw spear summon spear as bonus action throw spear again? - he cant draw a spear either? How does one resolve multi attack and thrown weapons I guess is what im asking. I mean if you can draw knock pull back a bow and release an arrow multiple times what about daggers spears axes etc...?
#2
dwgautier
Sep 05, 2014 7:08:29
I would just house rule that you can draw as many thrown weapons during your turn as you have attacks if you use your 'interact' action with your movement to do so. That way it is costing them something to draw multiple weapons. Now with the build you mentioned he would only get 1 item back a turn so he would need a large size quiver on his back and he would slowly run out of weapons (except for two that are bonded). Hopefully there is a returning weapon in the DMG that DOESNT use a bonus action to return the weapon to you, in otherwords a 'free action' return would be so much better for end game thrower builds. We just have to wait and see for now.

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tbone777
Thats kinda what I thought. Returning weapons are kind of critical later game for throwers.
#4
DemoMonkey
Sep 05, 2014 9:52:54
He draws and throws 2 (or 3, or 4) spears at once.

He's just that good! Hands the size of hams, he has.

#5
masterfat78
Sep 05, 2014 18:05:52
Well I have seen javelin throwers hold their extra javelins in their shield hand. Also you can dualwield throwing axes and still get your extra attack.

#6
blake_marlowe
Sep 05, 2014 18:10:32
masterfat: he said finesse, so neither javelin nor handaxe get the OP where he wants to go.

#7
masterfat78
Sep 06, 2014 1:14:49
Well neither does throwing spear which he did mention. If he wants finesse than use daggers instead of throwing axes. Jesus I swear if you people acted this way in person I would show you what dirt tastes like.

#8
frothsof
Sep 06, 2014 5:28:42 What if he had a little chain or rope tied to his spears like a harpoon? Id allow it if he only ever attacked short range. Of course, villains could try to grab it and f w it.
#9
Zardnaar
Sep 06, 2014 5:44:29
RAW its one of those things that you can't do. There is a reason why dex is so good as you can just use a bow instead and avoid the problem.

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#1 tbone777 Sep 05, 2014 6:32:17	So quick question. I have a player who has decided to play a fighter specialized in throwing spears. Think hoplite type warrior. He took fighter and archery as his fighting style. Which is fine cuz it works with all ranged weapons. He took human variant and the sharpshooter feat which works great for thrown weapons as they have shorter ranges in general. So far so good. But when I looked at scaling for him and subclasses it starts to break down some. So eldrich knight gets to summon a bonded weapon back to them as a bonus action. Perfect for throwing his spear and then calling it back to his hand. This seems the ideal use of this class feature. He could even use his action surge to throw it again! But what about when he gets an extra attack at 5th level and more beyond that? It states the extra attack is done as part of your attack action. So at 5th level there is no -throw spear summon spear as bonus action throw spear again? - he cant draw a spear either? How does one resolve multi attack and thrown weapons I guess is what im asking. I mean if you can draw knock pull back a bow and release an arrow multiple times what about daggers spears axes etc...?
#2 dwgautier Sep 05, 2014 7:08:29	I would just house rule that you can draw as many thrown weapons during your turn as you have attacks if you use your 'interact' action with your movement to do so. That way it is costing them something to draw multiple weapons. Now with the build you mentioned he would only get 1 item back a turn so he would need a large size quiver on his back and he would slowly run out of weapons (except for two that are bonded). Hopefully there is a returning weapon in the DMG that DOESNT use a bonus action to return the weapon to you, in otherwords a 'free action' return would be so much better for end game thrower builds. We just have to wait and see for now.
(Reply to #2) tbone777	Thats kinda what I thought. Returning weapons are kind of critical later game for throwers.
#4 DemoMonkey Sep 05, 2014 9:52:54	He draws and throws 2 (or 3, or 4) spears at once. He's just that good! Hands the size of hams, he has.
#5 masterfat78 Sep 05, 2014 18:05:52	Well I have seen javelin throwers hold their extra javelins in their shield hand. Also you can dualwield throwing axes and still get your extra attack.
#6 blake_marlowe Sep 05, 2014 18:10:32	masterfat: he said finesse, so neither javelin nor handaxe get the OP where he wants to go.
#7 masterfat78 Sep 06, 2014 1:14:49	Well neither does throwing spear which he did mention. If he wants finesse than use daggers instead of throwing axes. Jesus I swear if you people acted this way in person I would show you what dirt tastes like.
#8 frothsof Sep 06, 2014 5:28:42	What if he had a little chain or rope tied to his spears like a harpoon? Id allow it if he only ever attacked short range. Of course, villains could try to grab it and f w it.
#9 Zardnaar Sep 06, 2014 5:44:29	RAW its one of those things that you can't do. There is a reason why dex is so good as you can just use a bow instead and avoid the problem.