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#1 masterfat78 Aug 18, 2014 14:33:52	Im thinking of using the 3rd edition weapons and a crit chart modified from first edition for my 5th edition campaign. But I havent had enough playtime to see if it would break 5th. I know it will kinda increase the rocket tag of 5th, but thats just something Ive accepted about this edition. Any opinions on this?
#2 unky Aug 19, 2014 8:59:56	Yea it would break champion fighters and Barbs.   Remember weapon damage and math in this game are calculated very carefully (for the most part)   A Barb would have 2 chances to roll a x3 crit PLUS bonus damage, good bye dragon one hit   It would also hand out the lvl 3 champion fighter ability to everybody with a longsword.....   There is no reason to do this, most of the dice damage are the same   If you want to create new weapons just follow this simple forumula    standard martial weapon is single hand 1d8 + property add a extra property decease weapon damage die Increase damage Die add a negitive property (two-handed property)   Or think of every martial is 1d10 two-handed add or remove properties.
#3 kev777 Aug 19, 2014 9:08:37	I think the 2e chart would work.
(Reply to #3) unky	kev777 wrote:
#5 masterfat78 Aug 19, 2014 12:53:16	Ive thought about the champion and barbarians abilities when it comes to doing this. It also will affect monsters that use weapons, making them much more lethal. I dont think I would just add the weapons in as is, more like use 3rd as a starting point and messing around with it. 5ths weapons are just so boring this edition, I feel they need something. Yeah its nice that alot of class powers affect them, but I want more than just a couple of feats affect what people choose for weapons.
#6 TiaNadiezja Aug 19, 2014 15:02:48	The weapon chart is one of the few things in this edition I'm really nervous about messing with.   And crit charts were always, honestly, a terrible idea. I, at least, have never had one increase my enjoyment of a campaign - they just take influence out of the hands of players and dump more of it on the dice, almost always to the PCs' detriment.
#7 Illithidbix Aug 19, 2014 15:57:54	Why do you want to include the 3rd Ed weapon table?   Personally I like the simpler weapon table as it means there isn't the problem of some weapons (often rather bizaare ones) being flat out worse or better. 5E has kinda given up on the idea of being superextragood at a very specific weapon, and focused around the idea of more generic fighting styles (sword and board vs duel weilding vs twohanded) instead. And I'd be very wary about changing it in that way.   What does the 3E weapon tables have that you feel is lacking from the 5E game?   I think gives us a bit more information to work with when it comes to advice.
#8 Xeviat-DM Aug 19, 2014 16:24:35	I liked the variability in the 3E weapon table. Heck, I liked the variability in the 4E weapon table. The 5E weapon table has too many duplicate stats.
#9 Zyph Aug 19, 2014 16:32:54	Understand that additional crit ranges or crit multipliers are going to have a HUGE impact on this edition. Specifically I'm thinking about a rogue, but it goes for others as well.   For example, take everyones favorite finese weapon...the Rapier. And let's put it with a 5th level rogue.   That means anytime that rogue hits while rolling a natural 18, 19, or 20 he's doing 2d8+dex+6d6 damage. Or take a rogue with a longbow at 11th level doing 3d8+dex+18d6   Or take a half-orc fighter with a greataxe using a manuever that adds his superiority dice. Suddenly you're looking at 4d12 (any 1's or 2's being able to be rerolled once) + STR + 3d8   I understand the desire to give some more diversity to weapons, but I think at this point its way to early to be trying to tinker with such things as I think you'll run into a lot of unexpected issues.