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#1 zagora_01 Aug 09, 2014 18:00:35	After reading the multiclassing rules, i want to make sure I got it right. It seams the warlock's cater level doesn't go up with the combination of the two classes like it does for the ohters.   I hope I'm reading something wrong
#2 masterfat78 Aug 09, 2014 18:05:39	They do kinda get screwed that way, but the class itself makes up for that by being versatyle.
#3 demon_idol Aug 09, 2014 18:13:47	But the real reason that a warlock gets screwed multiclassing is because warlocks are so incredibly badass that a person should really just take more levels in warlock.
#4 pukunui Aug 09, 2014 18:14:56	I've been playing an alpha rogue/warlock for a while now, and my character doesn't feel screwed at all.
#5 ClockworkNecktie Aug 09, 2014 18:23:08	Could you copy or summarize the warlock-specific stuff on multiclassing? Do they just count like a barbarian or something with regards to the multiclass spell slot table?
#6 Sturmunddrang Aug 09, 2014 18:30:07	demon_idol wrote:
#7 souldoubt Aug 09, 2014 18:37:32	Sturmunddrang wrote:
#8 ClockworkNecktie Aug 09, 2014 18:44:57	demon_idol wrote:
#9 Mephi1234 Aug 09, 2014 19:16:09	demon_idol wrote:
#10 Kalani Aug 09, 2014 19:45:43	Warlock/noncasters will not feel screwed by the multiclassing rules.... Warlock/casters (esp. cleric, druid, sorcerer, or wizard) will feel screwed however. Warlock levels do not stack with caster levels for the purpose of determining spell slots. Caster levels do not stack with warlock levels for the purpose of improving pact magic slots. The only advantage gained, is that warlock spells can be cast freely with caster slots, and vice versa. Primary Warlocks with a few levels in another casting class can take advantage of this, gaining the ability to cast 1st (and/or 2nd) level spells repeatedly. This is a negligable benefit however, once you factor in the reduced pact slots due to multiclassing, and their extremely limited number (2 slots for a large portion of their career), and the fact that these spells may use Wisdom or Intelligence as their caster stat.   Despite these slots recharging on a rest, single-class casters will likely have more castings of their low level spells than the multiclass warlock/caster.   Primary casters may gain a slight benefit in being able to cast warlock-only spells with their spell slots, however this would only offer true benefit to the Bard, Paladin, or Sorcerer (due to sharing a casting stat), in which case the warlock spells (and invocations) are effectively added to their class spell list.   I can understand their reason for not stacking the abilities - as it would result in a Wizard 4/Warlock 4 having 4/3/3/2 spell slots in addition to 2 4th level pact slots (more than any other spellcaster) - however they could have allowed them to stack at half levels, resulting in 4/3/3 and 2 3rd level spell slots (as a 6th level caster, and 6th level warlock respectively).
#11 Elfcrusher Aug 09, 2014 20:07:41	Yeah, I think warlock/caster multiclasses get TONS of low-level spells, and no high level ones.    But...why would you want to multi-class like that?   I'm with the poster who wouldn't multiclass warlock with anything, but if I was thinking of good multiclasses it would be combining a Pact of the Blade lock with Assassin, or perhaps Vengeance Paladin.
#12 Kalani Aug 09, 2014 20:10:03	I agree. Multiclassing warlock should only be done to gain the non-spellcasting features of the class, as their spellcasting side is shafted regardless of what you mc them with. Warlock is just one of those classes that doesnt play nice in the multiclass sandbox lol.
#13 Veleria Aug 09, 2014 20:58:06	Not all multiclasses will enhance the parent class. Multiclass is intended as a way to customize your character, not to min/max. I am Min/maxer myself but I can recognize that sometimes it just isn't meant to be.
#14 Sturmunddrang Aug 09, 2014 21:12:55	Veleria wrote:
#15 1eejit Aug 09, 2014 22:02:01	I can see some other classes taking 2 levels in warlock for invocations. Like ninja monk wanting devil's sight.
#16 zagora_01 Aug 09, 2014 22:38:20	My intention was to make a good mystic warrior. I was going to take 7 levels of Eldritch Knight to get War Magic. I was invisioning casting a 2 beam eldritch blast followed by a melee attack. After realizing that my caster level wouldn't go up and that I would have disatvantage on my Eldritch blasts, I realized it wasn't worth it Instead I'm going to take 2 levels of fighter for the duelist fighing style, and the action surge.   I agree though, the warlock is a powerful class. I like it.
#17 Kalani Aug 09, 2014 22:44:21	zagora_01 wrote:
(Reply to #17) Ashrym	Kalani wrote:
#19 Veleria Aug 09, 2014 23:02:15	Why does every multiclass have to be a good option?
#20 The_Jester Aug 09, 2014 23:56:45	I'm not sure how they could have worded it to make it work without having to greatly increase the multiclassing section of the rules for a single class. The warlock is the only class to get specific multiclassing rules.    There are some advantages, such as gaining access to far more spells that are not on the warlock list and being able to cast them at maximum efficiency every time. A one level dip in cleric will make the warlock into a pretty disgusting healer.
(Reply to #19) Xeviat-DM	Veleria wrote:
#22 zagora_01 Aug 10, 2014 10:26:35	Kalani wrote:
(Reply to #19) zagora_01	Veleria wrote:
(Reply to #22) TheMattyLee	zagora_01 wrote:
#25 Kalani Aug 10, 2014 10:57:09	zagora_01 wrote:
#26 Veleria Aug 10, 2014 11:25:07	Xeviat-DM wrote:
#27 zagora_01 Aug 10, 2014 11:57:04	Kalani wrote:
(Reply to #26) Xeviat-DM	Veleria wrote:
#29 Sturmunddrang Aug 10, 2014 18:43:47	Veleria wrote:
#30 Polaris Aug 10, 2014 20:33:16	Kalani wrote:
#31 Xeviat-DM Aug 10, 2014 21:06:51	Perhaps that's why the designers didn't make Warlock spellcasting scale through multiclassing? The warlock is more geared for At-Will and "Encounter" type casting?
#32 kalil Aug 10, 2014 22:16:00	I dunno about you guys, but I think reverse dipping one level life cleric seems pretty powerful on a warlock.
#33 Polaris Aug 10, 2014 22:57:14	kalil wrote:
#34 Kalani Aug 10, 2014 22:41:10	Polaris wrote:
#35 TheMattyLee Aug 10, 2014 22:59:39	Polaris wrote:
#36 FallingIcicle Aug 11, 2014 1:33:25	I'm starting to wonder why they didn't just give the warlock regular spellcasting. Their whole setup seems really weird. They get spell slots, but only a few of them, that are regained after a short rest. Despite having so few slots, they still get the same number of spells known as the sorcerer. Then they gave them a single 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th level spell, which are once per day. Then on top of all of that they have invocations. It all seems like a cluttered mess to me, especially since it screws up their compatibility with multiclassing.
#37 masterfat78 Aug 11, 2014 2:32:58	They are a A/E/D class for 5th. Thats why they dont mesh when multiclassing with the other spellcasters.
#38 Kalani Aug 11, 2014 8:44:12	FallingIcicle wrote:
#39 Mechatarrasque Aug 11, 2014 8:50:43	TheMattyLee wrote:
(Reply to #38) Ashrym	Kalani wrote:
#41 Kalani Aug 11, 2014 10:10:06	Ashrym wrote:
#42 Elfcrusher Aug 11, 2014 10:24:13	Personally, I'm not even going to allow multiclassing in the 5e campaign I'm starting unless the concept just isn't possible with straight classes.   And by 'concept' I don't mean, "Like class X, but with Plate Armor!" and such.   EDIT: And maybe even then my rule will be that you have to keep the two classes equal level, so that it's about the concept and non min-maxing.
#43 Lokiron Aug 11, 2014 10:29:12	The warlock was in the same packet as the sorcerer..
(Reply to #41) Ashrym	Kalani wrote:
(Reply to #43) Ashrym	Lokiron wrote:
#46 TheMattyLee Aug 11, 2014 13:07:52	Mechagamera wrote:
#47 masterfat78 Aug 11, 2014 13:28:44	Honestly the warlock looks like it multiclasses with the bard and pally fairly well. Its stat is the same as a sorcerers as well so it could be a dipping class for the sorcerer also. After that it multiclasses with fighters, rogues, and barbarians ok as well, slightly less so for rangers. that leaves druids, clerics, and wizards where it becomes very MAD and dont multiclass very good at all. That seem fine with me. Three good, three average, and three bad multiclass combos sounds like the system is working. By the way how sick is a balckguard/warlock going to be once the DMG comes out.
#48 Overpromises Aug 11, 2014 16:48:52	zagora_01 wrote:
(Reply to #15) CriticalBastard	1eejit wrote: