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| #1Slit518May 06, 2015 11:07:43 | If Drizzt is a companion in "Out of the Abyss: Rage of Demons", what do you believe his stats will be? Here is my take!
Strength: 12 Dexterity: 20 Constitution: 14 Intelligence: 16 Wisdom: 16 Charisma: 12 |
| #2CCSMay 06, 2015 11:54:59 | What's his stats in previous editions? I bet they'll be similar. |
| #3ZardnaarMay 06, 2015 12:28:37 |
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| #4Brock_LandersMay 06, 2015 12:41:28 | Yeah, I always thought it was lame that Drizzt has the same Int score as Raistlin. Stats have changed (for many monsters) with 5th Ed, I suspect Drizzt's stats will change (tone down that Int, a genius, he is not). |
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| #6Brock_LandersMay 06, 2015 13:41:44 |
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| #7DiffanMay 06, 2015 13:50:47 | In the Dark Elf Trilogy he was depicted as having extensive intelligence, easily obtaining a place at the wizards's academy (forget the name) but also had fantastic agility as well. Drizzt chose the latter so he would train with Zak. So a high intelligence makes sense. As for his stats, lets hope they maintain their stance and give him a stat-block (if they're still doing that) that doesn't HAVE to fit some class-base mold. I'd rather not see Barbarian 1/ Fighter 10/ Ranger 6 blah blah again. We don't need him build like some suped-up PC. Give him unique features and abilities only he knows (Cross-down parry comes to mind) and some flourishing tactics as well.
His stats from Dungeon 171 were:
Str 20, Dex 24, Con 15, Int 15, Wis 17, Cha 13
So he's been hitting the gym a bit.......so? |
| #8Brock_LandersMay 06, 2015 13:58:49 |
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| #9Brock_LandersMay 06, 2015 14:00:49 |
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| #10Slit518May 06, 2015 15:11:27 |
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| #13ZardnaarMay 06, 2015 17:15:40 | I vote for the original stats from 2E of course. Doesn't bother me if he has a 17 int. |
| #14Slit518May 06, 2015 17:36:04 |
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| #15DiffanMay 06, 2015 17:45:41 | They don't, nor do his magical items include any bonus to strengthen either. I found it is strange too considering that as an NPC he wasn't beholden to rules for classes like PCs were. Thus he could wield 2 weapons with Dex no problem |
| #16ZardnaarMay 06, 2015 18:00:10 |
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| (Reply to #3)AaronOfBarbaria | I don't care what the official stance on his stats are - I'll be house-ruling them to match his write up in the 1989 Hall of Heroes book, but potentially adding additional levels since he might have gained a few since 1358 DR.
As for what those stats are, Zard posted pretty close to them (his Wisdom was original 16, otherwise Zard's listing is accurate). |
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| #19Brock_LandersMay 06, 2015 23:21:43 |
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| #20ZardnaarMay 06, 2015 23:28:36 |
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| #21Lord_VentnorMay 06, 2015 23:51:01 | "Drizzt eats 1d6 adventurers per round." |
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| #23Brock_LandersMay 07, 2015 0:04:56 |
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| #25Brock_LandersMay 07, 2015 0:11:40 |
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| #27DiffanMay 07, 2015 0:45:48 | 1) Drizzt is not a Player Character 2) Drizzt is NOT a Player Character. |
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| #32Brock_LandersMay 07, 2015 9:57:24 |
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| #33FFSAAMay 07, 2015 10:07:08 | Hardly matters I think he has Ability: Always win. And Ability: Teach people who can't spell rogue or angel properly how to spell something with two "z"s in it just fine. |
| #34Brock_LandersMay 07, 2015 10:10:53 |
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| #36Brock_LandersMay 07, 2015 10:44:12 |
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| #37ZardnaarMay 07, 2015 13:05:14 |
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| #39Slit518May 07, 2015 20:39:07 | I am aware how Drizzt was created, he talks about it a lot in his podcasts and "meet the author" videos. I am sure it's in his introductory speeches to places where some people may not know him, he has about an hour, and he tells his story of how he became an author and how Drizzt became to be.
When did Dungeon 171 come out? A little over a year ago I had a coversation with Bob via email about Conan vs Drizzt. He entertained the idea for a bit, and of course he said Drizzt would win. I was coming up with why Conan would win, despite him being a large barbarian. When I statted them out, Conan is more stat heavy than Drizzt, with far greater strength, just shy of Drizzt's dexterity (Conan is said to have the reflexes, agility and speed of a panther), his constitution is also higher than Drizzt's, intelligence is most likely the same (as Conan is a great, tacticle thinker), wisdom most likely the same and Conan I would say would have a higher charisma than Drizzt (due to being a king and having subjects who follow him to help create his kingdom).
Either way, since both have great experience, and are great in battle, I concluded Conan would beat Drizzt and explained my points. But that isn't the purpose of this, it's just me giving background on my thought. My email started in February of last year, so what if Dungeon 171 came out after that conversation I had with Bob?
Editor: "You want his strength to be 20? And his dexterity to be 24? Why?"
Bob: "Oh, he got stronger, I mean he adventures a lot, have't you read my books?"
Editor: "No, I can't say that I have."
Bob: "Well, go read them!"
*Bob walks off* "Excellent, now Drizzt can beat Conan once and for all! MU HA HA HA HA HA!" |
| #40DiffanMay 07, 2015 21:07:31 | Dungeon 171, PC Hero Battle: Drizzt was published October 2009 |
| #41Brock_LandersMay 07, 2015 21:39:14 |
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| #42DiffanMay 07, 2015 22:39:31 | And this isn't Lego edition either, so "building" him with a moronic array of classes because one time he did something a class has now requires him to have levels in that......no thanks. He's unique, always has been, best to move on. |
| #43Brock_LandersMay 07, 2015 22:48:34 |
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| #44DiffanMay 07, 2015 23:13:10 | He's as unique a character as Elminster, Melf, Khelben Blackstaff, Bigby, etc. If you feel they all need to be written by PC rules is your perogative but current form shows that more than likely they'll be given some unique features. |
| #45Brock_LandersMay 08, 2015 0:24:36 |
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| #46DiffanMay 08, 2015 1:39:13 | Not really, Tiamat is a "character" but doesn't follow PC rules. Character in this sense is an actor in a story. But you already knew that.... |
| #47Brock_LandersMay 08, 2015 2:57:26 |
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| #48MecheonMay 08, 2015 5:10:04 | Tiamat is the 8th child of The Mother, who birthed the 12 monsters and hides in the Endless Corridor, which she twisted so its backside is now its frontside, as she controls the power of Infinity and is one of three creatures who created life. |
| #49Slit518May 08, 2015 5:22:05 |
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| #51Slit518May 08, 2015 9:00:23 |
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| #52Brock_LandersMay 08, 2015 10:40:19 |
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| #53LordTwigMay 08, 2015 12:20:02 | If they can't create Drizzt using the established character creation rules for 5th edition then what they are saying is that the game system they created is unable to represent that character concept.
Essentially it is not possible to create certain characters with the rules. Your characters will never be able to be as good as Drizzt, no matter how much XP you get. You will have to introduce house rules to fulfill many concept as the rules as written are inadequate to do so.
What is wrong with representing Drizzt as a high level Drow Ranger? Done! |
| #54Brock_LandersMay 08, 2015 12:29:33 |
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| #56ShasarakMay 08, 2015 17:15:33 |
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| #59ShasarakMay 08, 2015 18:24:18 | It is not Drizzts fault that every new edition changes Character Classes.
Although I must admit that I will laugh if Drizzt can not use half of his items because of attunment! |
| #60ZardnaarMay 08, 2015 19:24:25 |
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| #62MonsterEnvyMay 08, 2015 21:41:00 | Drizzt would probbably be like a fighter champion or battlemaster 3 Hunter Ranger 12. |
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| #65ShasarakMay 08, 2015 22:43:47 |
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| #66ZardnaarMay 09, 2015 0:56:17 | In 2E he was a fighter that retrained as a ranger and he lost 2 levels but kept weapon specialisation. You could clone him using the players option book skills and powers. In 5E he would be a high level fighter with a few ranger levels. Bracers of the blinding strike would give you plus 6 ac and let you action surge 3 times per long rest. |
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| #70ZardnaarMay 09, 2015 3:10:50 |
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| #73AaronOfBarbariaMay 09, 2015 3:28:16 | That seems odd that he would be a 10th level ranger in 1989 and then get revised to having actually been a fighter who then pulled some kind non-human dual-class shenanigans |
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| #76ZardnaarMay 09, 2015 4:37:32 |
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| #78ZardnaarMay 09, 2015 6:48:42 | He was a level 18 fighter trained by Zaknafein who was level 24. |
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| #80Coredump00May 09, 2015 11:07:02 | My money is on Drizzzzztttt *not* getting any stats. If he is even included as an NPC in the adventure (which is not certain), then he will just 'be' in the adventure, and will neither have nor require stats.
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| #83ShasarakMay 09, 2015 18:38:13 |
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| #86ZardnaarMay 09, 2015 21:33:42 |
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| #88ShasarakMay 09, 2015 23:02:33 |
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| #90Farmer42May 10, 2015 0:31:48 | But NONE of those things you listed were even REMOTELY possible in AD&D without a mountain of houserules. |
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| #92AaronOfBarbariaMay 10, 2015 3:28:24 | Zard, did you seriously correct me as to what the book you said you didn't even know Drizzt was in says about him? |
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| #94OrethalionMay 10, 2015 7:09:44 |
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| #96ZardnaarMay 10, 2015 7:48:46 |
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| #105OrethalionMay 10, 2015 12:12:33 |
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| #106DiffanMay 10, 2015 13:10:59 | As monster books rolled out and as a character started facing higher CR threats, spell resistance became more common. Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration were decent selections from about 12th level and after. |
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| #112arnwolf666May 10, 2015 14:37:38 | Ranger 19 Barbarian 1 Str 24 Dex 30 Con 24 Int 26 Wis 28 Cha 30 AC:27 hp:265
Fighting Styles and Feats that emphasize Two-weapon fighting styles.
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| #113ZardnaarMay 10, 2015 15:14:22 | Homebrew conversion.
http://community.wizards.com/forum/product-and-general-dd-discussions/threads/4209011
The short version. Not the most min/maxed PC I could create but I went with story and RP over brute power and most of his enemies in the books are mooks anyway.
Drizzt 5E Fighter 11/ Ranger 5 circa 1371 DR.
Armor Class 23 (bracers, dex,terity, combat style, feat, 24-26 with +3 defender) Hit Points 132 (16d10+32) Speed 30 ft. Saving Throws Dex +5, Con +6, Str +6,Int +3, Wis +3, Cha +2 Str 13 (+1), Dex 20 (+5), Con 15 (+2), Int 17 (+3), Wis 17 (+3), Cha 15 (+2) Feats: Alertness, Dual Wielder, Lucky Skills History+8, Perception +8, Persuasion +7, Stealth +10, Survival +8, Class Abilities ) Action Surge 4/long rest, Combat style (archery, defence, two weapon fighting), favoured enemy (goblins), horde breaker, improved critical, (19/20, natural explorer, primeval awareness, remarkable athlete, second wind (1d10+11) , spells, Senses passive Perception 18 Languages Dwarven, Elven, Common, Goblin, Giant Actions. Multiattack. The Drizzt makes 4 melee attacks or 3 ranged attacks. Scimitars. Melee or ranged Weapon Attack: +13 to hit, reach 5’, Hit 12 (1d6+8)) slashing damage Longbow +12 to hit, Hit 10 (1d8+5) damage |
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| #120LordTwigMay 11, 2015 17:29:16 | There seems to be some hate for the idea of building NPCs with the character building rules for PCs. You have the rules, why not use them? Not saying you have to use them if you don't want to, but you can.
I don't feel it is necessary to build Drizzt so that the character can do everything in game exactly the same as he was able to do in every single book written about him. And apparently the writers of previous editions didn't feel it was necessary either since he has changed in every edition so far. For 5th edition you would just stat him up as a 5th edition character and be done. Give him new 5th edition versions of his iconic magic items and don't worry if they match up exactly in the books.
It's kinda backwards honestly. It is being argued that NPCs shouldn't be "locked in" by what is available in the game. But they, apparently, feel "locked in" by what was written in the novels. Whereas I don't feel at all compelled to match the novels exactly and think that you can create a character that represents Drizzt with the rules without making a ton of exceptions and special case rules. It won't work exactly like Drizzt of the novels, but when has he ever? |
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