What do you think Drizzt's stats will be?

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#1

Slit518

May 06, 2015 11:07:43

If Drizzt is a companion in "Out of the Abyss: Rage of Demons", what do you believe his stats will be?

Here is my take!

 

Strength: 12

Dexterity: 20

Constitution: 14

Intelligence: 16

Wisdom: 16

Charisma: 12

#2

CCS

May 06, 2015 11:54:59
What's his stats in previous editions? I bet they'll be similar.
#3

Zardnaar

May 06, 2015 12:28:37

CCS wrote:
#4

Brock_Landers

May 06, 2015 12:41:28

Yeah, I always thought it was lame that Drizzt has the same Int score as Raistlin.  Stats have changed (for many monsters) with 5th Ed, I suspect Drizzt's stats will change (tone down that Int, a genius, he is not).

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Farmer42

Brock_Landers wrote:
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Brock_Landers

May 06, 2015 13:41:44

Farmer42 wrote:
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Diffan

May 06, 2015 13:50:47

In the Dark Elf Trilogy he was depicted as having extensive intelligence, easily obtaining a place at the wizards's academy (forget the name) but also had fantastic agility as well. Drizzt chose the latter so he would train with Zak. So a high intelligence makes sense. As for his stats, lets hope they maintain their stance and give him a stat-block (if they're still doing that) that doesn't HAVE to fit some class-base mold. I'd rather not see Barbarian 1/ Fighter 10/ Ranger 6 blah blah again. We don't need him build like some suped-up PC. Give him unique features and abilities only he knows (Cross-down parry comes to mind) and some flourishing tactics as well. 

 

His stats from Dungeon 171 were:

 

Str 20, Dex 24, Con 15, Int 15, Wis 17, Cha 13

 

So he's been hitting the gym a bit.......so? 

#8

Brock_Landers

May 06, 2015 13:58:49

Diffan wrote:
#9

Brock_Landers

May 06, 2015 14:00:49

Diffan wrote:
#10

Slit518

May 06, 2015 15:11:27

Diffan wrote:
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Diffan

Brock_Landers wrote:
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Diffan

Slit518 wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 06, 2015 17:15:40

I vote for the original stats from 2E of course. Doesn't bother me if he has a 17 int.

#14

Slit518

May 06, 2015 17:36:04

Diffan wrote:
#15

Diffan

May 06, 2015 17:45:41
They don't, nor do his magical items include any bonus to strengthen either. I found it is strange too considering that as an NPC he wasn't beholden to rules for classes like PCs were. Thus he could wield 2 weapons with Dex no problem
#16

Zardnaar

May 06, 2015 18:00:10

Diffan wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

I don't care what the official stance on his stats are - I'll be house-ruling them to match his write up in the 1989 Hall of Heroes book, but potentially adding additional levels since he might have gained a few since 1358 DR.

 

As for what those stats are, Zard posted pretty close to them (his Wisdom was original 16, otherwise Zard's listing is accurate).

#18

RCanine

May 06, 2015 22:50:12

Brock_Landers wrote:
#19

Brock_Landers

May 06, 2015 23:21:43

Diffan wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 06, 2015 23:28:36

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
#21

Lord_Ventnor

May 06, 2015 23:51:01

"Drizzt eats 1d6 adventurers per round."

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Lord_Ventnor

Brock_Landers wrote:
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Brock_Landers

May 07, 2015 0:04:56

Lord_Ventnor wrote:
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Lord_Ventnor

Brock_Landers wrote:
#25

Brock_Landers

May 07, 2015 0:11:40

Lord_Ventnor wrote:
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Lord_Ventnor

Brock_Landers wrote:
#27

Diffan

May 07, 2015 0:45:48
1) Drizzt is not a Player Character 2) Drizzt is NOT a Player Character.
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AaronOfBarbaria

Zardnaar wrote:
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JohnLynch

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

JohnLynch wrote:
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crimfan07

Brock_Landers wrote:
#32

Brock_Landers

May 07, 2015 9:57:24

Diffan wrote:
#33

FFSAA

May 07, 2015 10:07:08

Hardly matters I think he has Ability:  Always win.  And Ability:  Teach people who can't spell rogue or angel properly how to spell something with two "z"s in it just fine.

#34

Brock_Landers

May 07, 2015 10:10:53

FFSAA wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

Brock_Landers wrote:
#36

Brock_Landers

May 07, 2015 10:44:12

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
#37

Zardnaar

May 07, 2015 13:05:14

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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Diffan

Brock_Landers wrote:
#39

Slit518

May 07, 2015 20:39:07

I am aware how Drizzt was created, he talks about it a lot in his podcasts and "meet the author" videos.  I am sure it's in his introductory speeches to places where some people may not know him, he has about an hour, and he tells his story of how he became an author and how Drizzt became to be.

 

When did Dungeon 171 come out?  A little over a year ago I had a coversation with Bob via email about Conan vs Drizzt.  He entertained the idea for a bit, and of course he said Drizzt would win.  I was coming up with why Conan would win, despite him being a large barbarian.  When I statted them out, Conan is more stat heavy than Drizzt, with far greater strength, just shy of Drizzt's dexterity (Conan is said to have the reflexes, agility and speed of a panther), his constitution is also higher than Drizzt's, intelligence is most likely the same (as Conan is a great, tacticle thinker), wisdom most likely the same and Conan I would say would have a higher charisma than Drizzt (due to being a king and having subjects who follow him to help create his kingdom).

 

Either way, since both have great experience, and are great in battle, I concluded Conan would beat Drizzt and explained my points.  But that isn't the purpose of this, it's just me giving background on my thought.  My email started in February of last year, so what if Dungeon 171 came out after that conversation I had with Bob?

 

Editor:  "You want his strength to be 20?  And his dexterity to be 24?  Why?"

 

Bob: "Oh, he got stronger, I mean he adventures a lot, have't you read my books?"

 

Editor: "No, I can't say that I have."

 

Bob: "Well, go read them!"

 

*Bob walks off*  "Excellent, now Drizzt can beat Conan once and for all!  MU HA HA HA HA HA!"

#40

Diffan

May 07, 2015 21:07:31
Dungeon 171, PC Hero Battle: Drizzt was published October 2009
#41

Brock_Landers

May 07, 2015 21:39:14

Diffan wrote:
#42

Diffan

May 07, 2015 22:39:31
And this isn't Lego edition either, so "building" him with a moronic array of classes because one time he did something a class has now requires him to have levels in that......no thanks. He's unique, always has been, best to move on.
#43

Brock_Landers

May 07, 2015 22:48:34

Diffan wrote:
#44

Diffan

May 07, 2015 23:13:10
He's as unique a character as Elminster, Melf, Khelben Blackstaff, Bigby, etc. If you feel they all need to be written by PC rules is your perogative but current form shows that more than likely they'll be given some unique features.
#45

Brock_Landers

May 08, 2015 0:24:36

Diffan wrote:
#46

Diffan

May 08, 2015 1:39:13
Not really, Tiamat is a "character" but doesn't follow PC rules. Character in this sense is an actor in a story. But you already knew that....
#47

Brock_Landers

May 08, 2015 2:57:26

Diffan wrote:
#48

Mecheon

May 08, 2015 5:10:04

Tiamat is the 8th child of The Mother, who birthed the 12 monsters and hides in the Endless Corridor, which she twisted so its backside is now its frontside, as she controls the power of Infinity and is one of three creatures who created life.

#49

Slit518

May 08, 2015 5:22:05

Diffan wrote:
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Diffan

Brock_Landers wrote:
#51

Slit518

May 08, 2015 9:00:23

Diffan wrote:
#52

Brock_Landers

May 08, 2015 10:40:19

Diffan wrote:
#53

LordTwig

May 08, 2015 12:20:02

If they can't create Drizzt using the established character creation rules for 5th edition then what they are saying is that the game system they created is unable to represent that character concept.

 

Essentially it is not possible to create certain characters with the rules. Your characters will never be able to be as good as Drizzt, no matter how much XP you get. You will have to introduce house rules to fulfill many concept as the rules as written are inadequate to do so.

 

What is wrong with representing Drizzt as a high level Drow Ranger? Done!

#54

Brock_Landers

May 08, 2015 12:29:33

LordTwig wrote:
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LordTwig

Brock_Landers wrote:
#56

Shasarak

May 08, 2015 17:15:33

Zardnaar wrote:
#57

Shasarak

May 08, 2015 17:18:26

LordTwig wrote:
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Diffan

LordTwig wrote:
#59

Shasarak

May 08, 2015 18:24:18

It is not Drizzts fault that every new edition changes Character Classes.

 

Although I must admit that I will laugh if Drizzt can not use half of his items because of attunment!

#60

Zardnaar

May 08, 2015 19:24:25

Shasarak wrote:
#61

Zardnaar

May 08, 2015 19:26:02

Diffan wrote:
#62

MonsterEnvy

May 08, 2015 21:41:00

Drizzt would probbably be like a fighter champion or battlemaster 3 Hunter Ranger 12. 

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Diffan

Zardnaar wrote:
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Diffan

MonsterEnvy wrote:
#65

Shasarak

May 08, 2015 22:43:47

Zardnaar wrote:
#66

Zardnaar

May 09, 2015 0:56:17
In 2E he was a fighter that retrained as a ranger and he lost 2 levels but kept weapon specialisation. You could clone him using the players option book skills and powers. In 5E he would be a high level fighter with a few ranger levels. Bracers of the blinding strike would give you plus 6 ac and let you action surge 3 times per long rest.
#67

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May 09, 2015 1:54:43

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Diffan

Zardnaar wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

Zardnaar wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 09, 2015 3:10:50

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
#71

masterfat78

May 09, 2015 3:18:51

MonsterEnvy wrote:
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masterfat78

May 09, 2015 3:19:40

Zardnaar wrote:
#73

AaronOfBarbaria

May 09, 2015 3:28:16
That seems odd that he would be a 10th level ranger in 1989 and then get revised to having actually been a fighter who then pulled some kind non-human dual-class shenanigans
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Farmer42

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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Diffan

Farmer42 wrote:
#76

Zardnaar

May 09, 2015 4:37:32

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
#77

joeburgos

May 09, 2015 6:36:29

 

LordTwig wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 09, 2015 6:48:42

He was a level 18 fighter trained by Zaknafein who was level 24. 

#79

Orethalion

May 09, 2015 8:45:40

Brock_Landers wrote:
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Coredump00

May 09, 2015 11:07:02

My money is on Drizzzzztttt  *not* getting any stats.  If he is even included as an NPC in the adventure (which is not certain), then he will just 'be' in the adventure, and will neither have nor require stats.

 

 

#81

Orethalion

May 09, 2015 13:25:06

Coredump00 wrote:
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BRJN

May 09, 2015 17:56:59

Coredump00 wrote:
#83

Shasarak

May 09, 2015 18:38:13

Farmer42 wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

Farmer42 wrote:
#85

Orethalion

May 09, 2015 21:20:34

BRJN wrote:
#86

Zardnaar

May 09, 2015 21:33:42

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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Diffan

Shasarak wrote:
#88

Shasarak

May 09, 2015 23:02:33

Diffan wrote:
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Diffan

Shasarak wrote:
#90

Farmer42

May 10, 2015 0:31:48

But NONE of those things you listed were even REMOTELY possible in AD&D without a mountain of houserules.  

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Mecheon

May 10, 2015 0:57:48

Farmer42 wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

May 10, 2015 3:28:24
Zard, did you seriously correct me as to what the book you said you didn't even know Drizzt was in says about him?
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Farmer42

Mecheon wrote:
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Orethalion

May 10, 2015 7:09:44

Diffan wrote:
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Diffan

Orethalion wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 10, 2015 7:48:46

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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Orethalion

May 10, 2015 7:50:26

Diffan wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

Zardnaar wrote:
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Orethalion

May 10, 2015 7:57:49

Zardnaar wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

Zardnaar wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

Orethalion wrote:
#102

Orethalion

May 10, 2015 8:12:08

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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CCS

Diffan wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

Orethalion wrote:
#105

Orethalion

May 10, 2015 12:12:33

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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Diffan

May 10, 2015 13:10:59
As monster books rolled out and as a character started facing higher CR threats, spell resistance became more common. Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration were decent selections from about 12th level and after.
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joeburgos

May 10, 2015 13:19:10

CCS wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 10, 2015 13:54:26

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 10, 2015 13:23:43

Orethalion wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 10, 2015 13:25:44

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 10, 2015 13:28:52

Diffan wrote:
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arnwolf666

May 10, 2015 14:37:38

Ranger 19 Barbarian 1

Str 24

Dex 30

Con 24

Int 26

Wis 28

Cha 30

AC:27

hp:265

 

Fighting Styles and Feats that emphasize Two-weapon fighting styles.

 

#113

Zardnaar

May 10, 2015 15:14:22

Homebrew conversion.

 

http://community.wizards.com/forum/product-and-general-dd-discussions/threads/4209011

 

The short version. Not the most min/maxed PC I could create but I went with story and RP over brute power and most of his enemies in the books are mooks anyway.

 

Drizzt 5E Fighter 11/ Ranger 5 circa 1371 DR.

 

Armor Class 23  (bracers, dex,terity, combat style, feat, 24-26 with +3 defender)

Hit Points 132 (16d10+32)

Speed 30 ft.

   Saving Throws Dex +5, Con +6, Str +6,Int +3, Wis +3, Cha +2

   Str 13 (+1), Dex 20 (+5), Con 15 (+2), Int 17 (+3), Wis 17 (+3), Cha 15 (+2)

Feats: Alertness, Dual Wielder, Lucky

Skills History+8, Perception +8,  Persuasion +7,  Stealth +10, Survival +8,

Class Abilities ) Action Surge 4/long rest, Combat style (archery, defence, two weapon fighting), favoured enemy (goblins), horde breaker, improved critical, (19/20, natural explorer, primeval awareness, remarkable athlete, second wind (1d10+11) , spells,

Senses passive Perception 18

Languages DwarvenElven, Common, Goblin, Giant

Actions.

Multiattack. The Drizzt makes 4 melee attacks or 3 ranged attacks.

Scimitars. Melee or ranged Weapon Attack: +13 to hit, reach 5’, Hit 12 (1d6+8)) slashing damage

Longbow +12 to hit, Hit 10 (1d8+5) damage

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AaronOfBarbaria

Orethalion wrote:
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Orethalion

May 10, 2015 19:26:40

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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AaronOfBarbaria

Orethalion wrote:
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Orethalion

May 11, 2015 7:14:02

AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 11, 2015 15:32:42

Orethalion wrote:
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Orethalion

May 11, 2015 15:49:05

Zardnaar wrote:
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LordTwig

May 11, 2015 17:29:16

There seems to be some hate for the idea of building NPCs with the character building rules for PCs. You have the rules, why not use them? Not saying you have to use them if you don't want to, but you can.

 

I don't feel it is necessary to build Drizzt so that the character can do everything in game exactly the same as he was able to do in every single book written about him. And apparently the writers of previous editions didn't feel it was necessary either since he has changed in every edition so far. For 5th edition you would just stat him up as a 5th edition character and be done. Give him new 5th edition versions of his iconic magic items and don't worry if they match up exactly in the books.

 

It's kinda backwards honestly. It is being argued that NPCs shouldn't be "locked in" by what is available in the game. But they, apparently, feel "locked in" by what was written in the novels. Whereas I don't feel at all compelled to match the novels exactly and think that you can create a character that represents Drizzt with the rules without making a ton of exceptions and special case rules. It won't work exactly like Drizzt of the novels, but when has he ever?

#121

MechaPilot

May 11, 2015 17:29:33

LordTwig wrote:
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Diffan

Orethalion wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 11, 2015 22:11:04

Orethalion wrote:
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Orethalion

May 11, 2015 22:16:10

Zardnaar wrote:
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Zardnaar

May 11, 2015 22:19:09

Orethalion wrote:
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Diffan

LordTwig wrote: