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#1 avendesora Sep 25, 2009 10:34:21	First off, all LFR characters should generate their ability scores using the point buy system, right?  No one should be rolling their stats? Assuming that's true, there is a player I've seen a few times recently who rolled her stats.  I'm not DMing and the few times I've played with her, no one else noticed.  I don't recall the exact numbers but I know they could not be created using the point buy system. Is it worth saying anything and if so, to who and how?  Admittedly her character is not broken but that's mostly due to the very poor way she plays it. I'm pretty new to LFR in general and was curious how other people would handle it.  Thanks for the help.
#2 smerwin29 Sep 25, 2009 11:58:06	Let the DM who is running a game that character is in know about the problem.  The DM should look at the character and figure out if the stats are not correct.  The player should then be allowed to correct the stats (with help if needed) without disrupting the game.  Should take 5 minutes at most.
#3 bgibbons Sep 25, 2009 12:04:03	First off, all LFR characters should generate their ability scores using the point buy system, right?  No one should be rolling their stats? Assuming that's true, there is a player I've seen a few times recently who rolled her stats.  I'm not DMing and the few times I've played with her, no one else noticed.  I don't recall the exact numbers but I know they could not be created using the point buy system. That's correct.  All LFR PCs use the point buy system.  How to deal with this is a trickier issue. If you're a DM, it's easy--you ask to see the character sheet, you ask her how she got those stats and then you tell her it needs to be corrected before she plays the adventure. If you're not the DM, however, your options are either to deal with this directly or rope someone in to do it for you, which, depending on how conflict-averse and socially-aware the DM or gameday organizer is, has the potential to backfire ("Can I see your character sheet?  Joe over there says you're cheating."). Direct confrontation has potential to cause unnecessary conflict ("Hey, did you know your stats are illegal?" "Mind your own business."), so my usual response when I see a character doing something I don't understand is to just ask ("Hey, that's impressive; I couldn't figure out how to get stats like that for my character.  How'd you do it?"). While this case is pretty cut-and-dried, sometimes you'll find the answer is a feat or power you've never heard of before, and what you thought was cheating is just a rule you're unfamiliar with, and in any event, it's a rare player that doesn't want to explain at length (sometimes great length) about their character build.
#4 kildaere Sep 25, 2009 12:07:52	Agreed. Don't assume that they are cheating. Be a helper and diplomat instead of an adversary.
#5 avendesora Sep 25, 2009 14:21:41	Thanks.  To be clear, I don't think she's cheating on purpose, more that she's oblivious.  Since I'm not the DM and it isn't causing or creating any broken benfits or problems, I'm just going to leave it be.
#6 Dragon9 Sep 26, 2009 0:04:21	I support the method of: sneak attack them with a baseball bat and while they're unconscious you check their sheet and correct it if need be.  After that kick a puppy and eat a baby and now you are a true gamer!   J/k
#7 Samrin Sep 26, 2009 15:18:59	Point buy or Standard array are legal IIRC.
#8 bgibbons Sep 26, 2009 16:16:12	To be clear, I don't think she's cheating on purpose, more that she's oblivious.  Since I'm not the DM and it isn't causing or creating any broken benfits or problems, I'm just going to leave it be. Oblivious players are the easiest to deal with: it usually doesn't lead to a confrontation and most people are embarrassed to discover they made such an obvious mistake. I'm not a fan of leaving it be; for one thing, the earlier something like this is fixed, the less impact it's going to have on the character.  Finding out at 2nd level is likely to going to require much less correction (removing feats or other things for which she doesn't meet the stat prerequisite) than if discovered at 12th; worse, the more she gets used to the character as is, the more risk there is of her becoming unsatisfied with the legal version of the character and stopping playing. Also, the longer she goes uncorrected, the greater the risk that she'll be passing on incorrect information to others, which can cause the problem to spread. Leaving her in her ignorance is no kindness. Point buy or Standard array are legal IIRC. Standard array is just point buy for people who don't like to do math.