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#1 thenewblack Feb 28, 2010 17:46:51	Ok, so me and a fellow DM are finally starting to get a good crowd at our weekly RPGA events. About 2 tables worth every Saturday.  Now there's this guy who I know of, but I don't personally know who had expressed interest in joining. At first I said "sure if we had room" and then literally the next day for fun I was looking up banned players on the RPGA site and there he was. He was recently banned for tournament fraud for Magic. Red Flag #1. (his ban has been lifted after a year)  Untop of that I'm good friends with the owner of the gaming store across town and he has actually caught this guy shoplifting from his store. Red Flag #2. HUGE red flag.  After finding out both of these things, I REALLY do not feel comfortable having him at our tables. Am i being too Lawful good here? Or am I totally within my rights?
#2 Thanlis Feb 28, 2010 18:31:20	Ok, so me and a fellow DM are finally starting to get a good crowd at our weekly RPGA events. About 2 tables worth every Saturday.  Now there's this guy who I know of, but I don't personally know who had expressed interest in joining. At first I said "sure if we had room" and then literally the next day for fun I was looking up banned players on the RPGA site and there he was. He was recently banned for tournament fraud for Magic. Red Flag #1. (his ban has been lifted after a year)  Untop of that I'm good friends with the owner of the gaming store across town and he has actually caught this guy shoplifting from his store. Red Flag #2. HUGE red flag.  After finding out both of these things, I REALLY do not feel comfortable having him at our tables. Am i being too Lawful good here? Or am I totally within my rights? I think you can ban him. Do you play at a store? If he's a shoplifter, it'd probably be worth getting the store to ban him.
#3 WolfStar76 Mar 01, 2010 6:07:18	It's a multi-faceted problem. If he is currently under a DCI/WPN ban - then that applies to D&D Events as well.  If that ban is lifted there isn't any reason, so far as the computer system is concerned, why he can't participate. If you're playing in a public venue, however (like a store) and there's a risk of him shoplifting - at the very least you should alert the manager/owner of your venue as to this risk. On a personal level?  I subscribe to "Innocent until proven guilty" theory, and I would let the guy play, but I'd caution my DMs to help keep an eye on the guy just in case. On the other hand - assuming you're going to play at a store - if the store owner isn't comfortable with someone who's a known shoplifter being in his store - the owner has the right to ban that individual from his premesis.  So while he's eligible to play at your table(s), if he can't get to the table(s), that's between him and the owner.
#4 Wavester Mar 01, 2010 8:03:47	and somebody being banned from a play location while not being banned from actually playing is covered in the DCI floor rules so you are backed up by the rules on that one as well.
#5 vinciente Mar 01, 2010 11:14:42	He was recently banned for tournament fraud for Magic. Red Flag #1. (his ban has been lifted after a year) From what I am seeing here... your hands are tied in regards to RPGA rules on allowing him to play at a public venue. Since his ban has been lifted, he can freely join any event that has the table space (remember 1st come 1st serve until tables are full) It's a multi-faceted problem. If he is currently under a DCI/WPN ban - then that applies to D&D Events as well.  If that ban is lifted there isn't any reason, so far as the computer system is concerned, why he can't participate. If you're playing in a public venue, however (like a store) and there's a risk of him shoplifting - at the very least you should alert the manager/owner of your venue as to this risk. On a personal level?  I subscribe to "Innocent until proven guilty" theory, and I would let the guy play, but I'd caution my DMs to help keep an eye on the guy just in case. On the other hand - assuming you're going to play at a store - if the store owner isn't comfortable with someone who's a known shoplifter being in his store - the owner has the right to ban that individual from his premesis.  So while he's eligible to play at your table(s), if he can't get to the table(s), that's between him and the owner. WS has pointed out a few really good points here... First make sure all your DMs, and the store owner, are fully aware of the person in question & his known ifractions (Fraud and Theft). Be certain to give the facts as you know them, and not just say "he's a cheater & a thief". For example state that the DCI lists "X player" as having been banned for Tournament Fraud in a MTG event, and that the same person had also been caught shoplifting at "store B". By doing this you are giving them details that can bee verified and not just making statements that could be called rumors. Second discuss with them as a group how this will be handled, presenting both the option to allow him to play (and the extra responsibility of watching him closely that comes with this choice) or for the store owner to exercise his right to ban people from his store. And of course my farvorite point made here is that if they can't get to the table because of a store ban, then it's not your (or the other DMs) problem- It's between the banned person & the store owner.
#6 gc1ceo Mar 08, 2010 12:15:24	If the store owner disallows him from his store then your problem is completely solved, the event venue won't let him access thus its completely out of your hands as a result. If worse came to worse I doubt anybody of any authority will fault you from being cautious and disallowing him from the table, the RPGA rules really are meant to protect players at larger cons with multiple tables to prevent individual table GMs from being abusive and to have something for players to cite in that case.