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Incorporating Errata

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#1
sithobi1
Oct 30, 2008 4:52:53 Several pieces of errata, especially monster changes and skill challenges, would greatly affect modules if they were incorporated. What's the consensus on these? Should we use the module as written, or the final rules?
#2
smerwin29
Oct 30, 2008 6:24:04 As the DM, you have the right (and responsibility) to make any changes you feel necessary to make the game fun for your players. If you see an adventure that does not incorporate published errata, then you certainly can change the adventure to reflect that errata.

In cases where errata is published after an adventure is released, it is highly unlikely that a new version of the adventure will be uploaded into the ordering system to replace the old one.

Shawn
LFR Global Admin
#3
Keith53
Oct 30, 2008 6:31:35 LFR uses the published WotC errata, so if how a skill, feat, or power is altered, the DM should use the current version of how it works. DMs need to be careful about changing monster stats as they may have been adjusted for EL away from what is in the MM deliberately to create an appropriate challenge.

In the case of the skill challenge DCs, we set DCs as to what we think is appropriate for the particular challenge and skill. The DM should not just change them to match a generic list. If the DM feels that the DCs are too hard or too easy for a particular group of PCs at his/her table, they may lower or elevate the DCs slightly to adjust the challenge to the appropriate level.

Unfortunately, WotC generic recommendations went from being originally too hard to too easy. Setting the DCs too low results in the skill challenge being nerfed and the PCs just walk through it.

Keith
#4
sithobi1
Oct 30, 2008 14:54:59 So the Word of God here is not to reduce skill challenge DCs? What about the number of failures needed to fail a skill challenge, or monster updates?
#5
krystalshield
Oct 30, 2008 15:59:37 I was told before DragonCon that for skill challenges DCs for adventures should be left alone, but that the 3 failures should be implemented immediately. Beyond that, the RPGA guidelines are quite specific that the most recent rules/errata are to be used.
#6
sithobi1
Oct 30, 2008 16:12:11
I was told before DragonCon that for skill challenges DCs for adventures should be left alone, but that the 3 failures should be implemented immediately. Beyond that, the RPGA guidelines are quite specific that the most recent rules/errata are to be used.

Ouch, DCs up to 20 in some cases, up to 12 successes required...and only 3 failures? That's harsh.
#7
JohnduBois
Oct 30, 2008 18:07:29
Ouch, DCs up to 20 in some cases, up to 12 successes required...and only 3 failures? That's harsh.

The refer to Shawn's response: modify stuff as needed so people have fun.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 sithobi1 Oct 30, 2008 4:52:53	Several pieces of errata, especially monster changes and skill challenges, would greatly affect modules if they were incorporated. What's the consensus on these? Should we use the module as written, or the final rules?
#2 smerwin29 Oct 30, 2008 6:24:04	As the DM, you have the right (and responsibility) to make any changes you feel necessary to make the game fun for your players. If you see an adventure that does not incorporate published errata, then you certainly can change the adventure to reflect that errata. In cases where errata is published after an adventure is released, it is highly unlikely that a new version of the adventure will be uploaded into the ordering system to replace the old one. Shawn LFR Global Admin
#3 Keith53 Oct 30, 2008 6:31:35	LFR uses the published WotC errata, so if how a skill, feat, or power is altered, the DM should use the current version of how it works. DMs need to be careful about changing monster stats as they may have been adjusted for EL away from what is in the MM deliberately to create an appropriate challenge. In the case of the skill challenge DCs, we set DCs as to what we think is appropriate for the particular challenge and skill. The DM should not just change them to match a generic list. If the DM feels that the DCs are too hard or too easy for a particular group of PCs at his/her table, they may lower or elevate the DCs slightly to adjust the challenge to the appropriate level. Unfortunately, WotC generic recommendations went from being originally too hard to too easy. Setting the DCs too low results in the skill challenge being nerfed and the PCs just walk through it. Keith
#4 sithobi1 Oct 30, 2008 14:54:59	So the Word of God here is not to reduce skill challenge DCs? What about the number of failures needed to fail a skill challenge, or monster updates?
#5 krystalshield Oct 30, 2008 15:59:37	I was told before DragonCon that for skill challenges DCs for adventures should be left alone, but that the 3 failures should be implemented immediately. Beyond that, the RPGA guidelines are quite specific that the most recent rules/errata are to be used.
#6 sithobi1 Oct 30, 2008 16:12:11	I was told before DragonCon that for skill challenges DCs for adventures should be left alone, but that the 3 failures should be implemented immediately. Beyond that, the RPGA guidelines are quite specific that the most recent rules/errata are to be used. Ouch, DCs up to 20 in some cases, up to 12 successes required...and only 3 failures? That's harsh.
#7 JohnduBois Oct 30, 2008 18:07:29	Ouch, DCs up to 20 in some cases, up to 12 successes required...and only 3 failures? That's harsh. The refer to Shawn's response: modify stuff as needed so people have fun.