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#1 saint_matthew Apr 03, 2011 6:37:21	hi guys, i'm trying to find the old 2nd/3rd edition Living City Mods, does anyone know if these still exist here or if they are available for downloading somewhere?
#2 kenobi65 Apr 03, 2011 18:25:52	The short answer: There's no legitimate / official source for obtaining old RPGA modules such as those. The longer answer: The RPGA's contracts with the writers of modules (particularly back in those days) gave the RPGA extremely limited distribution rights.  In most cases, once a module was retired from official RPGA play, WotC / RPGA had no further rights to distribute that module. In addition, most of those older modules had legal boilerplate (either on the title page, or very early in the module) stating that they were only distributed for official RPGA play, and any other distribution (or redistribution) was prohibited.  So, if you did find someone (an RPGA DM or event organizer) who had a bunch of old, retired modules, such a person was technically forbidden (by RPGA rules) from re-distributing those modules. In the 4E era, the RPGA seems to have gotten rather looser on these sort of restrictions...but those looser restrictions likely don't apply retroactively.  (In addition, I wouldn't be surprised if many of those old adventures no longer exist anywhere in WotC's / RPGA's system.) It's possible that someone with old adventures might be willing to (unofficially, and quietly) help you out, but it's not something that anyone officially connected to the RPGA would be able to officially provide.
#3 lgmoses Apr 12, 2011 20:19:15	Yeah they're quite hard to find, but they're out there.  I still prefer the old stuff.  Furthermore, these files should be archived for our gaming history!  The older modules are forever a part of our gaming heritage and should be preserved.  They were created by the players and should be stored for the players.  I think WotC would be making a great move if they would archive and make available the modules online, for free, as written.  After consulting with their lawyers ofcourse, but I can't see any real legal problem coming of it.  And lets face it Wizards/Hasbro.... You owe us.
#4 kenobi65 Apr 12, 2011 21:40:05	I think WotC would be making a great move if they would archive and make available the modules online, for free, as written.  After consulting with their lawyers ofcourse, but I can't see any real legal problem coming of it.  It's a nice wish, but unrealistic, for two big reasons: 1) WotC would have to re-negotiate publishing rights with dozens, if not hundreds, of authors.  Some might be willing to extend additional publication rights back to WotC for no charge...but others might demand additional payment.  (In the case of old LG modules, IIRC, the writers' contracts on later modules had the rights revert back to the authors themselves.) 2) WotC funds the RPGA in order to provide play opportunties for the products which they currently sell (and, thus, encourage players to buy WotC's game products).  They don't support old editions of the game, because there isn't any money in it for them.  Making old 3E (or even 2E, in the case of most of the LC modules which the OP is looking for) modules available might generate some vague sense of goodwill among some gamers, but it won't sell one additional book for WotC.
#5 KarmaInferno Apr 25, 2011 14:50:03	A large number of earlier Living City adventures are also likely just lost by now. Time was, the Living City adventure "database" was a physical filing cabinet sitting in the RPGA office. When you ordered an event, a hardcopy would be mailed to you, and you had to photocopy it if you needed more copies. This was before the Internet became widely used by the mainstream. I recall that at some points, they ran out of room in the filing cabinet, and would actually throw out the oldest retired adventures to clear space for new ones. So for those advenutures, the only hope would be that the author, or a convention coordinator, that for some reason kept his copies. -k