Not sure how others feel about this but I would prefer AR's over the slips and the other sheet of paper to keep exps and stuff on.
At this point tracking entire sheets would serve to annoy me - I can fit 3x the certs in my binder this way.
To each their own I suppose.
Added bonus - 3 pocket binder pages also hold RPGA Rewards cards quite nicely.
Keith
I find that having a binder page designed for holding currency (Ulta-Pro 3-Pocket Binder pages, for example) helps a ton with the slips of paper, and actualyl ends up saving me space.
Yeah, I've been playing other Living games that give out certs (Living City, Living Force, Living Death, Living Arcanis) for many years now, and those currency holder pages are great for certs like the LFR story awards.
And, I agree, the LFR system will take up less space in a binder than LG did.
We don't need to duplicate the discussion.
Things in FR are getting ridiculous and honestly a few of these little story slips we've gotten seem like they're being handed out just because you /have/ to give one out at the end of the mod.
The online tracker, I'm not too impressed with yet but I still prefer the Adventure Log over AR.
Plus that would make the story away thing more useful to use players.
So at the top you have the normal story awards from the mod, and at the bottom it lists out the like 6 or 7 bundle options, including potion plus gold and more gold.
Well you could use the little story award slip much better if it actually had the bundles on them with a little box to X to show which one you picked. It's actually kind of annoying to have to keep reminding people over and over what the options are.
Plus that would make the story away thing more useful to use players.
So at the top you have the normal story awards from the mod, and at the bottom it lists out the like 6 or 7 bundle options, including potion plus gold and more gold.
The only problems with that arise if the group misses finding a given bundle, or if there are three story awards and a high number of options for bundle selection it could get kind of cramped.
Personally I don't see that big a problem with the slips as they exist now. As a DM I'd much rather print off two pages per table than one page per player, which at minimum would double my printing costs. The rewards themselves may or may not be "awesome" but then, we haven't seen how they're going to be used later on. If you're just out to kill monsters and collect gold pieces, there's really no need to keep 'em around. Pretty sure there's enough room on the log sheet to keep track of which story awards you took, too, if it comes down to it...
Shawn
LFR Global Admin
If any of the old LG admin could supply me with the editable PDF that they used for AR's I would gladly work on AR's for the current modules already in print.
Or anyone that is better at formatting things than I am in PDF format or Word format or whatever they used to make AR's out of.
I'm not a fan of the certs with favours at the end. I still haven't decided how to deal with them - I'm probably gonna scan them (smaller) and reprint them many to a page, but that's a lot more work than I'd like.
-SYB
And had you read the 2nd post you would see that I would like to see them add the option in the module. Then the GM can decide which he wishes to print. Most gamers in my group would prefer AR's.
Get them to design one. It has fill in the blanks. It has a place to tape/paste the 1/3 page cert or scan it in. They're good to go. They have their cake. We have our little bits of paper. Everyone is happy.
David
And had you read the 2nd post you would see that I would like to see them add the option in the module. Then the GM can decide which he wishes to print. Most gamers in my group would prefer AR's.
The problem with leaving the option up to the GM is that if I prefer the small sheets (and I do) and my GM at a con prefers the large sheets, now I have to have room in my binder for both.
It's much better for the campaign as a whole to keep these kinds of things standardized.
That said, if you personally prefer another form/format, more power to you. There's already precedent that shows if people want to create their own custom forms (Character Sheets, Adventure Logs, etc) they may so long as it still has the same information easily available.
I just disagree that putting two different forms into the modules is a good idea.
Thank You
Or anyone else out there whose office/open office fu is much better than mine that can create an editable AR type sheet?
However for people organizing conventions and paying for printing etc.-printing out 2 full color sheets is far more economical than printing out 6 for a full table. Why not put 6 on a page (and make them the size of a playing card)?-at the moment the favors seem compact.
If the issue is an optional printable AR, why not? I think more options is good, and I do like the ARs better (when I am not printing out 500 for a convention) and there are only 4 mods per region.
So any of the LG circle able to pass on the editable .doc or .pdf to me?
Or anyone else out there whose office/open office fu is much better than mine that can create an editable AR type sheet?
You are not going to get an editable version of the LG AR from anybody. Only a few people have it and it is a secured document.
I like how story rewards were handled with Xen'Drik Expeditions. Since the story rewards are reported with the mods for LFR, I hope that at some point we will have the option to print story rewards from the database. That way, players can print a sheet (or two) with all of their story rewards.
Players who don't mind the little slips of paper can still use them to track their story rewards.
My two coppers.
The thing you have to ask yourself is WHY you want the AR? Do you like the data in that format (because you are accustomed to it)? Or do you want all the information from the adventure in one convenient place?
There's other ways to go about it, but they require effort on the part of the player, not the judge/RPGA admin.
I personally like the new system, as it is less cumbersom. Each PC of mine has one sheet (my own excel sheet) that tracks gold and XP, as well as favor #s and bundle contents. Right now, all i need to know after an adventure are those numbers: GP delta, XP delta, magic items found or purchased, and favors earned (their code names).
i then copied/pasted the favors from the .pdf into a word document. Now i have a single word document (it's only 3 pages) with every favor out there in it. Then each PC's tracking sheet indicates WHICH favors they have!
As for roleplaying notes, i have a separate notebook where i write down what ACTUALLY happens in an adventure (as it happens). An AR wouldn't help me there (because i take notes DURING the adventure, not after).
Under the new system, each PC of mine has two sheets of paper for character records. Under the LG system, each PC had dozens of sheets of paper! Now i have ONE folder for SIX PCs! And that includes print-outs of rules items (like the artificer and warforged). Heck, with 4e i don't bother bringing my PHB half the time!
It should be easy to get a .pdf copy of an adventure (does download it or ask someone to mail it to you). With replay, there's no longer this fear of people reading modules ahead of time... it's effectively something that happens anyway.
And I had 4 LG characters in 1 notebook with over a hundred AR's present as well. Not to mention metaorg docs etc.
And as it is now you have 1 adventure record sheet (that you can add up 3 adventures on) and then little slips of paper. They will all add up to space taken up no matter how you look at it.
Just liked the AR format better.
I want Adventure Records back.
I want Layne Staley back. Let's call it even.
Dave
and raise you Freddie Mercury
I personally liked the format of the AR's, but then I liked it when having regions actually mattered to the player base and I had to take trips to travel to Nyron or Highfolk.
(Whose Layne Staley anyway?)
Well either zombie Freddie Mercury or raise dead but obviously Freddie Mercury is in the Epic Tier so we need to start a collection for the GP
Bring AR's back!
So you would rather go flipping thru 100 1/3 a sheet of paper slips than 100 full sheets of paper?
In a 3-pocket binder page that's only 33 pages, so I for one will say "yes".
Heck, the binder pages are clear, so if I load two back-to-back in a pocket that's 17 pages (with space leftover).
So you would rather go flipping thru 100 1/3 a sheet of paper slips than 100 full sheets of paper?
Except, as far a I've seen, the things on the little slips of paper seem to be region specific, whereas many LG favors were not (and even if they were, you had to keep the ARs in order, so looking for a specific region was still a pain). I'll be able to order all my LFR certs by region for ease of lookup, which makes them organized and compact.
Except, as far a I've seen, the things on the little slips of paper seem to be region specific, whereas many LG favors were not (and even if they were, you had to keep the ARs in order, so looking for a specific region was still a pain). I'll be able to order all my LFR certs by region for ease of lookup, which makes them organized and compact.
Well since it would be these region specific favors that would be listed on the AR's then where is the difference? A stack of 100 sheets of 8x11 paper is just as thick as a stack of 2.5x11 slips of paper.
Ordering them by region is the only advantage. And as we can see there are people in both camps. I just prefer the organization of the AR's and with them removing the tier slots for purchased magic items an AR works just fine. Just comes down to personal preference in the end.
But like I said it comes down to personal preference.
Well since it would be these region specific favors that would be listed on the AR's then where is the difference? A stack of 100 sheets of 8x11 paper is just as thick as a stack of 2.5x11 slips of paper.
Ordering them by region is the only advantage. And as we can see there are people in both camps. I just prefer the organization of the AR's and with them removing the tier slots for purchased magic items an AR works just fine. Just comes down to personal preference in the end.
Not quite. Plastic sheet covers in both cases, for comparison.
100 ARs, 50 plastic sheet covers at 2 per cover, fairly thick.
100 story award sheets, 17 plastic sheet covers at 6 per cover, about 1/3 as thick.
Let's say that you do it a bit differently, organizing your story awards by region, with one sheet per region; that gives you 13 starting sheets, plus additional sheets (mainly CORE) for when you get more than 6 story awards from a region... It will start thicker than an AR stack, but will still reach a point, unless you only play CORE (and you can just not put in a sheet for a region until you get a story award from that region...), where the AR stack will be thicker.
With ARs in LG, you HAD to keep them in order, and losing one is a potentially major hassle. With the story awards, you can keep them together by region, and even by story arc if you want. Losing one is a pain, but easy to replace.
While I can see a minor benefit from an AR-like document, allowing each player to have a sheet in front of them listing both story awards and available treasure bundles, I think it would take more effort than it is worth. Remember that one of the goals of the new RPGA campaign guidelines is to reduce paperwork and hassle. Replay rule, anyone?
So you would rather go flipping thru 100 1/3 a sheet of paper slips than 100 full sheets of paper?
I know some people like carrying an extra suitcase to conventions, waiting on someone else to page through 100 sheets of paper looking for a story award, or begging the admins to walk one through the process of what happens when one loses one's ARs.
I don't.
Depending on what happens with the online tracker, I highly suspect that will end up being a total of 8 sheets of paper, not 100 1/3 sheet slips. Either I'll type them all in or I'll copy and paste once the online stuff comes on more fully. I really like the idea of being able to carry all my LFR characters in one easily replaced binder, while having the information quickly and relevantly sorted.
If you don't like the format of the Story Award certs, throw them away.
This is what I do - I don't even keep the the slips of story awards. I accept them as a matter of courtesy because DMs have taken the time to print them. Then I discard them later. I am finding that increasing numbers of players in our area are just not accepting them, though. A whole table at my Weekend in the Realms event waved them off.
Count me as a supporter of another adventure record system, if anyone is counting. Something that lists the available bundles for an adventure and provides a place to mark or check which you have chosen (or not) would be great - kind of like an AR...