Unregistered players

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#1

turtur

May 31, 2009 6:54:36
I have just got my DCI/RPGA number and I'm now an Herald-level DM for private events. I want to begin DMing the LFR campaign, but I'm afraid some of my players will refuse to take the time to register, or track their progress "officialy". Some are occasional players, and some others are just lazy .

Can I schedule an event, download the adventure, play it, and report only 2 players out of 4?
#2

smerwin29

May 31, 2009 7:01:58
Although it is great if the players take the time to officially register online, they do not need to. All tracking of play progress needs to be done in paper form (or whatever form the players choose since some do it in the Character Generator notes section), which the players keep with them and/or have access to. So you can schedule the event, download the adventure, play it, and report all the players. As long as you have their RPGA/DCI numbers, the event gets reported--regardless of whether the players ever go onto the website or not.
#3

amysrevenge

May 31, 2009 10:12:35
And if they *really* can't be bothered, you can even get your hands on DCI cards for them (try a local FLGS that runs Magic events) and report the events on their behalf without them even knowing they have DCI numbers.
#4

gc1ceo

Jun 01, 2009 2:06:15
Most of my players haven't really gone online and all that, but they have DCI numbers.
#5

turtur

Jun 01, 2009 2:43:23
OK, so I need to report all the players with their DCI numbers, but they don't need to know .

Living in a small town in Spain may not help to get DCI cards, but I have contacted my regional organizer to check the best thing to do. If everything fails, I will try a little persuasion on my players to get the DCI number online, and then they can forget about it.

Thank you!
#6

pedr

Jun 02, 2009 3:56:26
See here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/sanction/tocontact for contact details for the various non-Americas WotC offices. I think if you're in Spain the Belgium office will send blank DCI cards to you.

There's also the Southern Europe/Turkey LFR co-ordinators, but I can't remember who they are, sorry!
#7

romicz

Jun 03, 2009 10:26:19
So, if I understand it good, I cant prepare event for players who dont have their DCI numbers? I am new here and cant find all answers for my questions.

I am sure that my players will refuse to register here...
#8

pedr

Jun 03, 2009 15:28:46
So, if I understand it good, I cant prepare event for players who dont have their DCI numbers? I am new here and cant find all answers for my questions.

I am sure that my players will refuse to register here...

The 'rule' is that you have to be an RPGA member to play in an RPGA (LFR etc) event.

So if they won't join the RPGA, they can't play. Since joining the RPGA is easy - i.e. get given a card and fill in the details, there's not much reason not to.

See my last post for details of how to get blank cards if you are outside the Americas, or contact Customer Service (www.wizards.com/customerservice) if you are inside. There's an automatic way to order cards in the event sanctioning system but it doesn't work outside the Americas so I haven't used it.
#9

DarthMayhem

Jun 09, 2009 9:36:45
The 'rule' is that you have to be an RPGA member to play in an RPGA (LFR etc) event.

So if they won't join the RPGA, they can't play. Since joining the RPGA is easy - i.e. get given a card and fill in the details, there's not much reason not to.

See my last post for details of how to get blank cards if you are outside the Americas, or contact Customer Service (www.wizards.com/customerservice) if you are inside. There's an automatic way to order cards in the event sanctioning system but it doesn't work outside the Americas so I haven't used it.

Forcing people to register for the RPGA is ridiculous right from the beginning.
Data mining a-go-go, yeah.
Anyway, the procedures are WAY to complicated, too strict, too bureaucratic. I've been a "Herald Level GM" some years since, but I've never even announced/reported just even one game, because my players outright refused to hand over personal adress data to the wotcies, or even their e-mail.
And the old RPGA-report-system for event announcement etc. was so horribly buggy i wondered it even DID work at times...
Well, not too often.
#10

pedr

Jun 09, 2009 10:21:58
You realise that your players don't actually have to give WotC any information, right?

You can assign someone an RPGA number and give them a card and even if you don't send in the counter-foil or even fill it out, their number will work. You may find you have to enter their names repeatedly or something, but at least then you're tracking the play which is one of the things WotC wants to know about. Not reporting play makes it less likely that special events will be made available in your area - and you'll never earn enough reward points to receive the various rewards. The new system of course encourages players to provide their contact details by providing rewards to players each year for that (Village of Hommlet adventure this year).
#11

KarmaInferno

Jun 09, 2009 12:17:01
Forcing people to register for the RPGA is ridiculous right from the beginning.
Data mining a-go-go, yeah.

Wow, overblown sense of entitlement much?

The RPGA and WotC is providing a considerable amount of stuff essentially for free or almost no cost.

All they're asking is some statistics that let them know how their games are being played and what seems to be popular.

Considering this help to drive what gets produced next, it's only good for US as customers if that product is something we want, rather than something we might not want.

Is it good for WotC too? Sure. What, is that a bad thing?



-karma
#12

tirianmal

Jun 09, 2009 13:19:53
Anyway, the procedures are WAY to complicated, too strict, too bureaucratic. I've been a "Herald Level GM" some years since, but I've never even announced/reported just even one game, because my players outright refused to hand over personal adress data to the wotcies, or even their e-mail.

I don't see why it is so hard to google the address of WotC's headquarters and put in the names of the players. Or even just go and use John/Jane Doe if you want.

WotC wants to know how many unique players and DMs are playing the game. I don't really think they'd care so much what the names are.

But, really, if these folks of yours want to be that much "off the grid", then they probably don't want to use credit cards either. I mean -there's- some serious data mining for ya. :P
#13

kenobi65

Jun 09, 2009 13:42:44
Forcing people to register for the RPGA is ridiculous right from the beginning.

Hey, they're willing to give you adventures for free. Some hoop-jumping is the price you pay for that.

As others have noted, if your players are that opposed to anyone having their personal info, there's ways around it.
#14

KarmaInferno

Jun 09, 2009 15:01:06
But, really, if these folks of yours want to be that much "off the grid", then they probably don't want to use credit cards either. I mean -there's- some serious data mining for ya. :P

If you REALLY want to data-mine, you don't ask the customers for the information.

You go buy their information from the Post Office or Phone Companies.



-karma
#15

DarthMayhem

Jun 09, 2009 18:46:36
Hey, they're willing to give you adventures for free. Some hoop-jumping is the price you pay for that.

As others have noted, if your players are that opposed to anyone having their personal info, there's ways around it.

Uhm, just a question, use your brain:

What, if i'd "phantomize" some "players", run session after session, report all those "phantom-sessions" just to
get the freebies?

Think about!
#16

WolfStar76

Jun 09, 2009 19:01:55
Uhm, just a question, use your brain:

What, if i'd "phantomize" some "players", run session after session, report all those "phantom-sessions" just to
get the freebies?

Think about!

There comes a VEEERRRYY fine line you start to walk - and that line leads to fraud.

Fraudulent activity can lead to your DCI account being banned.
#17

pedr

Jun 10, 2009 2:17:39
Indeed.

It is possible to do a great deal of things with RPGA adventures which fall below the level of conduct which the RPGA would like. Examples include running tables of three or seven players, downloading adventures then not running any of them as official RPGA tables, reporting dummy players and so on.

The fact that many of these things are generally undetectable doesn't mean it's appropriate to be doing them. Chris Tulach's post somewhere here has suggested that WotC are going to be monitoring how many sets of rewards are sent to each address to try to avoid dummy GMs being created to receive more sets of the ship Dungeon tile, and other inaccurate reporting can be detected, and can lead to the suspension of your RPGA account. The people listed on the following websites cannot play any RPGA or DCI events: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=rpga/events/suspendedmembers and http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/suspended