Preferrably not traditional fantasy but if it's different enough from Dnd I'll give any genre a try.
If it matters I enjoy 3.x-pathfinder, and love 4e.
Any suggestions?
Stuff I'm already considering:
Chthulu-tech (is this any good from a player perspective?)
BESM (specifically the seizure monsters supplement, does that work with 2nd or revised 2nd edition rules?)
That and it seemed like you either had to ban jedi or let everyone play one because the class was seriously OP.
Yeah I looked it over, had a few neat ideas (fixed hp progression stands out), but it was a little too similar to DnD. I love DnD, but it's not the only game I ever want to play.
That and it seemed like you either had to ban jedi or let everyone play one because the class was seriously OP.
I guess if you want away from the system in addition to the setting you'll need to look elsewhere. There is an older version of the SWRPG from West End Games (d6) which people liked.
As for "Jedi" characters in SAGA they aren't a problems except for the systems biggest black eye of using skill checks vs. defense scores for some things including many Force Powers. It's just so easy to get a big skill modifier and it take a long time for defense scores to start matching up. A solution to that problem is one of a couple SAM (Skill Attack Modifier) systems. With SAGA I have never considered a Jedi a "must play" type character as there are many other types that play very well.
Perfect saves, tons of skill points, best melee in the game, extra force power, perfect attack progression, It's not horrendous, but it's telling.
A d6 version you say?
I don't mean 3e artificer or wizard broken, I just mean that as a class the Jedi seem to be slightly better off than everyone else.
Perfect saves, tons of skill points, best melee in the game, extra force power, perfect attack progression, It's not horrendous, but it's telling.
A d6 version you say?
I believe we are looking at the different versions of the SWRPG that WotC put out. There is the OCR/RCR version which is very close to 3e in rules but in all honesty is my least favorite SWRPG. Then you have the newer SAGA Edition with its square books which is possibly my favorite RPG. I certainly would NOT use any of those things you mentioned when describing a SWSE Jedi character; unlike some of the previous SWRPGs they did NOT make "Jedi" uber powerful when compared to other builds which allows non-Jedi to do just fine. Now with the Jedi being one of the defining things about StarWars they may be a bit more love (as in more choices) over all the supplements but even with the game complete other character types are still perfectly playable.
Yes, there is a d6 version of the SWRPG. It first came out in the early to mid 90's and actually introduced a LOT of new stuff to the StarWars Universe. This is to say that WEG could do a LOT with the license when they had it and their game material was used as reference by later writers which brought a lot of things from the game into canon. Now I won't say all of that is actually good but the d6 game can sometimes be seen as the foundation upon which a lot of the EU grew.
2) A very simple character creation system. The book comes with sample characters that can be played as-is, but they're just that - samples.
3) There's no true class system. There are four major roles (combat specialist, spell-slinger, rigger (vehicle specialist), and decker (computer specialist)), but there's plenty of overlap between them.
4) Only 5 base races - human, elf, dwarf, ork, troll. They each have their own strengths, weaknesses, and stereotypes, but any race is capable of filling any role. And each role has various sub specialties.
5) Cyberware/bioware. These are invasive body mods that can turn you into the Six Million Dollar Man. Not recommended for the magicians, though.
The thing I like least is the Matrix (worldwide computer system) combat. Only certain characters can participate, which leads to boredom for the other players. Plus it has what seem to be some of the most complicated rules I've ever seen in a RPG. I would recommend not having a PC decker & let the story or put-of-play rolls determine the outcome of that.
The non-gameplay aspect I like best is that, as starting characters, you're medium-sized fish in a small pond. As you play, you become bigger fish, but the pond grows exponentially.
It's more of a sci-fi setting than fantasy. If you've ever seen the Keanu Reeves movie Johnny Mnemonic, you'll have a (very) rough idea of what the world's like. They're both based off of the same short story - Neuromancer, by William(?) Gibson.
Is it all that bad or is it just like 4e dnd, different from the old way so people complained?
I'm getting mixed reviews about the fourth edition.
Is it all that bad or is it just like 4e dnd, different from the old way so people complained?
It's not really all that bad. It's different because the timeline has been jumped a few decades into the future. The biggest difference is that there's a new publisher because FASA, the original, folded. I'd say that a more apt comparison would be the switch from 2e (TSR) to 3e (WotC).
I;m especially concerned about the separate combat systems for melee, range, and vehicle, that supposedly don't mesh well with each other.
I'm just curious if it would be better to look into the older editions of the game because the reviews on the new version seem to be kinda meh.
I;m especially concerned about the separate combat systems for melee, range, and vehicle, that supposedly don't mesh well with each other.
Second and Third were my favorites; it's probably going to be easiest to find sorcebooks for them, other than Fourth. Melee and ranged work fine together, as well as working well with the magic rules; vehicle combat is a little wonkier.
Anyone have any opinions on runequest 6?