Why Pathfinder on 4e board? Because forums exist for Market Research/Penetration.

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#1

sciborg3

Jul 02, 2011 13:25:39
I think people might be taking this too personally. Why Pathfinder on 4e:

1) Pathfinder is allowed to be discussed is it is too much work for the mods to close threads.
2) When all these forums get text analyzed for content, marketing will find it easier if the major competition is mentioned in conjunction with their product. Ideally, this will lead to a better product.
3) Crossover in the Market. People might argue until their hands cramp up but here and there the undecided or unconcerned end up trying both.

All this is also why Paizo wants 4e discussion on its board. If WotC kills off D&D, it won't be a victory for Pathfinder. Similarly, if Pathfinder folds it will be worse for WotC-D&D in the long run. People aren't going to magically start liking 4e's rules and vice versa. There will just be less people involved in D&D.
#2

Shemeska_the_Marauder

Jul 02, 2011 13:28:22
Sciborg3, you're a voice of reason. Prepare for people to attack you for it. Sadly.
#3

sciborg3

Jul 02, 2011 13:30:14
I'd elect not to participate in edition war nonsense, but I am fascinated by the RPG market and what sells and why it sells. I do love the PF setting but have no attachment to either ruleset.

Right now my favorite supplement is the Gloomwrought box, and I've even come to like things in the other 4e planar books I didn't want.
#4

Ogiwan

Jul 02, 2011 13:30:14
Sciborg, are you talking about the 4e board on the Paizo site? We don't care about that. We care about Pathfinder posts in the 4e boards. They should be in RPG general boards, not 4th Edition D&D boards.
#5

sciborg3

Jul 02, 2011 13:35:56
Yet there is a logic to the company that produced 4e to continue to allow these PF related threads to exist. They want to know what is going with PF in relation to 4e, not PF to itself as that provides little info for their future market strategy.

Or perhaps the mods can't do anything until a more official voice changes the rules they operate under?
#6

sciborg3

Jul 02, 2011 13:37:08
Sciborg3, you're a voice of reason. Prepare for people to attack you for it. Sadly.



Which is pretty funny, looking back on it, since I once swore to hate 4e with my last breath.
#7

Jharii

Jul 02, 2011 13:37:55
Yet there is a logic to the company that produced 4e to continue to allow these PF related threads to exist. They want to know what is going with PF in relation to 4e, not PF to itself as that provides little info for their future market strategy.

Or perhaps the mods can't do anything until a more official voice changes the rules they operate under?

Your intentions are good.  Those intentions are not shared, however.

#8

Ogiwan

Jul 02, 2011 13:38:40
Sciborg3, you're a voice of reason. Prepare for people to attack you for it. Sadly.



Which is pretty funny, looking back on it, since I once swore to hate 4e with my last breath.



Huh. Sooooooo.....why are you here? Curious, not accusatory.
#9

Nertak

Jul 02, 2011 13:41:15
I posted a question in a pathfinder thread that has since been deleted.  After posting my question I left to get food so don't know exactly what happened to cause the entire thread to be deleted (not that I'm sad to see it gone).  My question was "why are there 5 pathfinder threads on page 1 of 4e general discussion" I could see there being 1 or 2......but instead of keeping the discussion in a few thread people feel the need to keep making more and more threads.  This thread is another example of a thread that did not have to be made.

you already have 4th edition to pathfinder thread

you already have the Hey all you 4e vs Pathfinder Holy Warriors!

you already have the
I think I've mostly been looking at PF because they're consistently getting new content.
Paizo also has PDF sales to back up publication. I also feel like I can sink into the game even when I'm not playing -"> Every time I visit the D&D web site these days, I think Pathfinder is winning




what are you trying to accomplish here that can't be discussed there?
#10

sciborg3

Jul 02, 2011 13:46:38
Sciborg3, you're a voice of reason. Prepare for people to attack you for it. Sadly.



Which is pretty funny, looking back on it, since I once swore to hate 4e with my last breath.



Huh. Sooooooo.....why are you here? Curious, not accusatory.



That was years ago, and more to do with 4e's initial advertising than the ruleset. (I babble about it the other thread.)

But now, having had a chance to go over the 4e cosmos with a more balanced judgement, I enjoy aspects of it. My planar stuff is still Great Wheel focused but I'd be lying it I said 4e hadn't made interesting stuff for its own cosmology.
#11

sciborg3

Jul 02, 2011 13:47:46
I posted a question in a pathfinder thread that has since been deleted.  After posting my question I left to get food so don't know exactly what happened to cause the entire thread to be deleted (not that I'm sad to see it gone).  My question was "why are there 5 pathfinder threads on page 1 of 4e general discussion" I could see there being 1 or 2......but instead of keeping the discussion in a few thread people feel the need to keep making more and more threads.  This thread is another example of a thread that did not have to be made.

you already have 4th edition to pathfinder thread

you already have the Hey all you 4e vs Pathfinder Holy Warriors!



what are you trying to accomplish here that can't be disguised there?



I was responding to the threads that have since been axed actually.

I don't own stock in either company and the next game I'm hopefully going to get to play in will likely be GURPS.
#12

Nertak

Jul 02, 2011 13:54:36
I corrected the spelling error in my post but its not fixed when i'm quoted

anyhow, I have no problem with Pathfinder being talked about here.  But, when there are 5 threads (and there really were 5 when I made my post) its completely out of hand.  WOTC should delete redundant threads, they just take up space and knock other issues off the front page.
#13

sciborg3

Jul 02, 2011 14:02:33
I corrected the spelling error in my post but its not fixed when i'm quoted

anyhow, I have no problem with Pathfinder being talked about here.  But, when there are 5 threads (and there really were 5 when I made my post) its completely out of hand.  WOTC should delete redundant threads, they just take up space and knock other issues off the front page.



But I think the issue that matters most to WoTC is what their competition is doing. Once you are discussing anything about the game it means you likely have purchased it. Besides getting new players (which may or may not be working with 4e, seemed popular at my old game store but they also run 3.5 and I think 2e) the biggest question is tapping into the PF market.

Edit: This isn't meant in a "your opinion doesn't matter way b/c corporations suck" way. I just think logicially Wizards wants to know how their game measures up against PF. Note that PF has a 4e section to its boards, most notably b/c they sell 4e stuff. Wizards, for image reasons, can't have a board designated solely for their competitor yet still needs to keep abreast of how their product is stacking up.
#14

Nertak

Jul 02, 2011 14:11:15
What your saying is fine, but it has nothing to do with my complaint that people keep making new threads to cover what was already talked about.  If you look at my first post here I added another link to another pathfinder thread.  All I'm asking is that the discussion be kept in the existing threads instead of having new ones made.  Our pleasant conversation here not withstanding I still think this thread could have been covered in one of the 3threads I linked to.

Also, the other posters are probably right, there are other places in the WOTC forums where this topic would make more sense. 
#15

calronmoonflower

Jul 02, 2011 14:12:04
We have a RPG General Discussion forum so Pathfinder is off topic for the 4E Forums. I'm sure that discussion is on topic for the several edition neutral forums as well. Heck, I can even understand a thread for Pathfinder being started on this forum, but it (and mock threads) reached the level of SPAM at the time I came to this forum today.

Please do not SPAM this forum or any other.
#16

salla

Jul 02, 2011 15:01:32
Sciborg, are you talking about the 4e board on the Paizo site? We don't care about that. We care about Pathfinder posts in the 4e boards. They should be in RPG general boards, not 4th Edition D&D boards.



Or Previous Edition boards.
#17

Shemeska_the_Marauder

Jul 02, 2011 15:16:29
Sciborg, are you talking about the 4e board on the Paizo site? We don't care about that. We care about Pathfinder posts in the 4e boards. They should be in RPG general boards, not 4th Edition D&D boards.



Or Previous Edition boards.



It's still in publication, and arguably with more published support at the moment than any other. So probably not.
#18

sciborg3

Jul 02, 2011 15:38:22
Sciborg, are you talking about the 4e board on the Paizo site? We don't care about that. We care about Pathfinder posts in the 4e boards. They should be in RPG general boards, not 4th Edition D&D boards.



Or Previous Edition boards.



It's still in publication, and arguably with more published support at the moment than any other. So probably not.



And hopefully putting out a TON of planar stuff in 2012...hint hint. Wink
#19

Shemeska_the_Marauder

Jul 02, 2011 15:40:08
Sciborg, are you talking about the 4e board on the Paizo site? We don't care about that. We care about Pathfinder posts in the 4e boards. They should be in RPG general boards, not 4th Edition D&D boards.



Or Previous Edition boards.



It's still in publication, and arguably with more published support at the moment than any other. So probably not.



And hopefully putting out a TON of planar stuff in 2012...hint hint.



Hey the NE fiend / daemon book is out near the end of this year, so I'm doing my best. Several other projects going on, but can't say much since they're not all on the product schedule yet.
#20

sciborg3

Jul 02, 2011 16:22:42
Good stuff - excited to see more planar supplments from both Paizo and WotC. I think it would be cool for WotC to do conversions of some of the planes from Magic:TG actually.
#21

undrave

Jul 03, 2011 1:12:11
EWWWW!

I don't want my market penetrated by Pathfinder!
#22

ricksouth

Jul 03, 2011 4:13:43
Or WotC could release some decent products their players actually want so we can talk about those instead.
#23

sciborg3

Jul 04, 2011 13:07:53
The Gloomwrought box is pretty awesome actually.
#24

opskt

Jul 05, 2011 22:07:22
Hey, look, all these threads are where they belong now! Wow!
#25

thecasualoblivion

Jul 05, 2011 22:11:51
Hey, look, all these threads are where they belong now! Wow!



And now that they're not in 4E General all the Pathfinder spammers don't care anymore, since there's really no-one to annoy here.
#26

opskt

Jul 06, 2011 22:03:36
Sadly true.