Another Wildshape Question

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#1

Deadspeaker

Sep 30, 2015 20:48:00

Curious to get input or if folks can refer to a source. 

 

So if you have a Mountain Dwarf Druid wihat racial features carry over to new form?

 

Speed reduction (since it moves at normal 25ft)

Darkvision (clearly does not)

Dwarven Resilience

Stone Cunning

Ability score Increase Constituion and Strength

 

Also, if the Drawven druid had the feat athletic would the wildshape form gain +1 stat bump to either Str or Dex since attributes/feats are class features?

 

I believe I know the answer "your game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the beast (exceptInt, Wis, Cha)" but later on it states "You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race or other source .... "

 

Thanks in advance

#2

Yunru

Oct 01, 2015 3:47:53

"... that your form is capable of." (or words to that effect.)

Stat increases aren't considered a benefit, and so don't increase your Wild Shape's stats. You'd still get the other parts though, if applicable.

Stone Cunning would carry over. Dwarven Resilience wouldn't (since you're not a Dwarf atm).

Likewise Speed and Darkvision don't.

#3

jaelis

Oct 01, 2015 6:19:30

Yunru wrote:
#4

Noctaem

Oct 01, 2015 6:35:11

jaelis wrote:
(Reply to #4)

Yunru

Noctaem wrote:
#6

jaelis

Oct 01, 2015 7:56:21

What exactly counts as a feature is a gray area. But I wouldn't count movement speeds in any case, since otherwise you wouldn't get the speeds of the new form which wouldn't make sense.

 

Talons I could go either way. You might say you lose the feature because the new form lacks talons, that's pretty reasonable. Or you could say the feature just alters your unarmed strike in general, so you keep it. As written I think the second argument is stronger, but I'd probably go with the first as intended.

#7

Slagger_the_Chuul

Oct 01, 2015 8:44:48

"You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so."


The requirement that the beast form be physically capable of using the features indicates that it's a question of whether a given feature is part of having a dwarf's physical body, since you instead have the physical body of the beast form.

Do dwarves have advantage on saving throws against poison and resistance to poison damage because they have a dwarven body?

  • If yes, then dwarven resilience applies only when you're in the form of a dwarf.
  • If no, then dwarven resilience applies even when you're not in the form of a dwarf.
#8

jaelis

Oct 01, 2015 8:59:28

Is an animal form physically capable of having poison resistance? Surely yes. The question is not whether the feature arises from the physical features of your real body, it's whether the physical features of your new body preclude the feature from working.

#9

Slagger_the_Chuul

Oct 01, 2015 20:20:42

jaelis wrote:
#10

jaelis

Oct 01, 2015 21:53:51

Well, your table, your game

#11

Slagger_the_Chuul

Oct 01, 2015 22:17:42

The ruling still ends up being based on reasoning, not just an unsupported personal opinion.  Looking at wild shape, I ask myself why you wouldn't be able to use certain features of your original form, and the answer I get is that it's because you're not in that body, hence any feature that's intrinsically tied to your normal physical form can't be used, while features that are nonphysical remain usable (since you still have your own mentality, spirit, and so on).

So, you don't get your normal size, speed, vision, and certain other features because all those are part of a form you don't currently possess when using wild shape.