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#1 imaginari Jul 09, 2015 23:31:42	Sorry if this question has been asked multiple times.     If a Warlock casts the Darkness spell on himself (or his weapon) and he possesses Devil's Sight to be able to see through it, what effect does this have on combat?   If he is firing Eldritch Blasts out of the Darkness at opponents that aren't within it's radius, does the Warlock have advantage?     If enemies are firing at the Warlock within the Darkness, do they have disadvantage, do they automatically miss, or do they have to quess the Warlock's location first (presumably the center of the Darkness)?    Thanks.     P.S.  If anyone can point me to any good comprehensive posts about Darkness, I would be most thankful.
#2 jaelis Jul 10, 2015 4:28:49	imaginari wrote:
#3 OoftaMeg Jul 10, 2015 7:06:44	Just because the enemy cannot see you does not mean you are hidden.  So if you're walking around in your orb of darkness they may hear your steps, hear you invoking a spell, etc.     At fairly short distances I rule that ranged attacks against you just have to be along the correct line, although still at disadvantage of course.  That is just how I run it however, there's no official rule.   In addition if you're in the center of a mobile globe of darkness most intelligent enemies are probably going to guess that you're somewhere in the middle.   The other thing to remember is that you will be effectively blinding your nearby allies as well.   All in all, the combination can be powerful but there are limitations.
#4 Coredump00 Jul 10, 2015 10:13:07	imaginari wrote:
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#8 jaelis Jul 10, 2015 19:54:27	Coredump00 wrote:
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#10 imaginari Jul 10, 2015 20:35:25	Thanks all for the help.   So to summarize: Making a ranged attack out of Darkness with Devil's Sight, or whenever you aren't visible to the defender, grants you advantage, even if they know approximately where you are.   If an attack can't see you because you are hidden in darkness, they can make a best guess as to your square.  If they select the wrong square, they flat out miss.  If they guess the right square, they are at disadvantage.   Your square within the Darkness can be revealed in several ways: if you make an attack (what about ranged attacks? and this doesn't prevent you from moving somewhere else), or if you make noise while moving, or if they just guess that you are at the middle of the darkenss because it is moving with you.  This still might require the attacker to make a perception check to hear you move. Lastly, the DM can modify the above given the situation.    Does that sounds about right?
#11 Yunru Jul 11, 2015 1:20:17	Unless you Hide they know where you are. Even if they know where you are, if they can't see you they have disadvantage on attack rolls against you. If you are hidden then they have to guess, and if they do correctly, still suffer disadvantage if they can't see you.
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#16 Yunru Jul 12, 2015 9:29:18	"Exactly what square" represents a fuve foot area. So yes, you can "just know" what square there in, because you can locate their area down to a five foot square via sound, etc. You don't know where in that five foot area, hence disadvantage.
#17 OoftaMeg Jul 12, 2015 9:40:36	There is no "super disadvantage" so in most cases I would rule that it's just disadvantage and unless the person in the globe is being stealthy people know approximately where they are.   But there's a lot of variables.  What's the environment like?  Is it a relatively quiet environment with hard floors that echo when you walk?  How much of the globe can the enemy see?  Do they know how something like a globe of darkness would work?   It's a DM call, there is no hard and fast rule.
#18 jaelis Jul 12, 2015 10:14:54	Coredump00 wrote:
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#21 Yunru Jul 12, 2015 17:00:24	You know what? Let's run with your logic. It also doesn't say you know where someone is even if you can see them. So therefore we have to guess where everyone is all the time right? No. Unless something's hidden you know where it is.
#22 Orethalion Jul 12, 2015 17:23:26	Yunru wrote:
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#24 jaelis Jul 12, 2015 19:27:22	Coredump00 wrote: