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#1 blanklink Jul 11, 2014 8:01:28	I think I may have created a monster. Unless I'm reading the rules wrong, I understand that a level 5 Paladin can use his divine smite and expend a 2nd level spell slot and gain 3d8 damage, then use a swift spell such as Thunderous Smite to pump up to 2d6 more in the same action. So, in one attack, he would deal 1d12 (For his two handed war axe) + 3d8 (Divine Smite) + 2d6 (Thunderous Smite). Am I missing something here? On average that would deal 24 damage, which seems incredibly high, since he has an extra attack to repeat the process.
#2 mellored Jul 11, 2014 8:07:01	They relased new, offical rules here. There is no paladin, yet.... However, they have replaced all "swift spells" with "bonus action". Presumably all smites will be bonus actions. You only get 1 bonus action per turn.
#3 blanklink Jul 11, 2014 8:14:17	That would make things more clear, I should think. Thanks for that. I'd still been working with the last playtest. I hope they put in paladins when they release the starter pack here in a couple of days.
#4 mellored Jul 11, 2014 8:16:18	blanklink wrote:
(Reply to #3) ProphetSword	blanklink wrote:
#6 blanklink Jul 12, 2014 9:08:07	Oh, they do. And I'll certainly be buying it (the PHB) when it comes out in august. I'm a little dissapointed they're waiting a month between the release of each book. Its going to be frustrating not to put some sweet treasures, or bad ass monsters in my dungeons.
#7 Ashrym Jul 13, 2014 0:46:14	Stacking the smite ability and smite spells and divine strikes and a concentration buff while also using multiple attacks did work in the playtest and pallies were very potent. Clerics had divine strikes cut back to once per turn so I believe the same would be true for pallies. Bonus actions will restrict some other actions and we'll see if breaking concentration cuts down buff effectiveness.
#8 FreeTheSlaves Jul 13, 2014 8:42:45	Blowing half your spell power should give a brief nova effect, that's working as intended. In the front line while concentrating? That Aura of Protection at 6th level is going to get a real work out - should work out very useful indeed. Nah, not seeing a problem here.
#9 2Chlorobutanal Jul 13, 2014 19:43:30	This seems ok to me. I know the rules for paladin are a bit outdated, but even in the context of Basic Rules: A 5th level greatsword Fighter (with Great Weapon Fighting style) could Surge and do 4 attacks in a round for 8d6 + 12, assuming a 16 strength, re-rolling each 1 or 2 once. (45.3 average damage) Assuming the smite and buff spell only work on one attack, a Paladin doing this to deal a lot of damage in an attack doesn't seem that imbalanced, considering it costs him a fair amount of resources.

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blanklink

Jul 11, 2014 8:01:28

I think I may have created a monster. Unless I'm reading the rules wrong, I understand that a level 5 Paladin can use his divine smite and expend a 2nd level spell slot and gain 3d8 damage, then use a swift spell such as Thunderous Smite to pump up to 2d6 more in the same action. So, in one attack, he would deal 1d12 (For his two handed war axe) + 3d8 (Divine Smite) + 2d6 (Thunderous Smite).

Am I missing something here? On average that would deal 24 damage, which seems incredibly high, since he has an extra attack to repeat the process.

mellored

Jul 11, 2014 8:07:01

They relased new, offical rules here. There is no paladin, yet....

However, they have replaced all "swift spells" with "bonus action".

Presumably all smites will be bonus actions. You only get 1 bonus action per turn.

blanklink

Jul 11, 2014 8:14:17

That would make things more clear, I should think. Thanks for that. I'd still been working with the last playtest. I hope they put in paladins when they release the starter pack here in a couple of days.

mellored

Jul 11, 2014 8:16:18

blanklink wrote:

(Reply to #3)

ProphetSword

blanklink wrote:

blanklink

Jul 12, 2014 9:08:07

Oh, they do. And I'll certainly be buying it (the PHB) when it comes out in august. I'm a little dissapointed they're waiting a month between the release of each book. Its going to be frustrating not to put some sweet treasures, or bad ass monsters in my dungeons.

Ashrym

Jul 13, 2014 0:46:14

Stacking the smite ability and smite spells and divine strikes and a concentration buff while also using multiple attacks did work in the playtest and pallies were very potent. Clerics had divine strikes cut back to once per turn so I believe the same would be true for pallies. Bonus actions will restrict some other actions and we'll see if breaking concentration cuts down buff effectiveness.

FreeTheSlaves

Jul 13, 2014 8:42:45

Blowing half your spell power should give a brief nova effect, that's working as intended.

In the front line while concentrating? That Aura of Protection at 6th level is going to get a real work out - should work out very useful indeed.

Nah, not seeing a problem here.

2Chlorobutanal

Jul 13, 2014 19:43:30

This seems ok to me. I know the rules for paladin are a bit outdated, but even in the context of Basic Rules:

A 5th level greatsword Fighter (with Great Weapon Fighting style) could Surge and do 4 attacks in a round for 8d6 + 12, assuming a 16 strength, re-rolling each 1 or 2 once. (45.3 average damage)

Assuming the smite and buff spell only work on one attack, a Paladin doing this to deal a lot of damage in an attack doesn't seem that imbalanced, considering it costs him a fair amount of resources.