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#1 Shojiteru Sep 25, 2015 13:34:25	So if I use Find Steed, does it come with a saddle? I guess I would have to supply that, but what type of steeds can I summon? A steed is a horse but the examples aren't all horses. Max CR rating is 1/2 but those aren't stated to be the pinnacle of what the spell is capable of, merely what is possible. A nightmare is more a horse than a Mastiff so can I summon a Nightmare witha level 2 spell? Only Paladins and Bards can use this so it may be a bit OP if you can summon Tarrasque as a level 6 bard. Despite needing clearer definition, what so far is majorily accepted as the top steeds for this spell?
#2 Shojiteru Sep 25, 2015 13:36:07	Specific beats general and general beats ambiguous. General rule is summon steed. More specific is it doesn't have to be a horse. By that logic, RAW, level 6 bard rides in on Tarrasque
#3 Tempest_Stormwind Sep 25, 2015 16:00:18	Shojiteru wrote:
#4 Coredump00 Sep 26, 2015 7:03:25	Tempest covers most of it.    Someone on these boards made a suggestion I really liked, let it scale w/spell level. 2nd level: CR 1/2 steed 3rd: CR 1 4th: CR 2 5th or higher: CR 4     I might allow non-beasts on a case by case depending on the caster, the god, etc.   LIkely for a CR 'cost'. (Like a lvl 4 slot for a CR 1 non-beast...)
#5 Tempest_Stormwind Sep 26, 2015 14:52:25	Coredump00 wrote:
#6 Coredump00 Sep 27, 2015 0:59:26	Its only an issue if your steed is dying on a regular basis.  But yeah, if you have a CR 4 steed, and it dies, you will need to use another 5th level slot to get that same steed.   Well, I would rule it is the same spirit, you are just able to bring 'more' of it across when a higher slot. So you are calling the same fey spirit each time, just sometimes you calll enough to be a warhorse, and sometimes a giant elk.   My steed doesn't die too often, so it isn't really a problem for me.
#7 Danny_Montanny Sep 28, 2015 6:59:42	By RAW, what's specifically written is the rules. DM discretion is the rule on anything that isn't specifically written. So by RAW, only the animals written into the spell are allowed.   The biggest issue with this spell is the CR of the animal that the spirit becomes. All the ones listed are between 1/8 and 1/2 CR, so it's safe to assume that any spirit summoned would be able to take the form of any beast within that CR range. When you go to CR 1 beasts, you get a decent power bump, though most aren't too far off from 1/2 CR. Any over that are exceptionally more powerful than those listed in the spell.   I'd personally give an appropriate steed up to CR 1 at levels 5-10, up to CR 3 at 11-16, and up to CR 5 at 17+.