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#1 mellored Sep 09, 2014 9:36:18	Giant Killer. When a Large or larger creature within 5 feet of you hits or m isses you with an attack, you can use your reaction to attack that creature immediately after its attack, provided that you can see the creature.     Is this any kind of attack?  Maybe even a disinitigrate?
#2 Overpromises Sep 09, 2014 10:55:20	mellored wrote:
#3 Plaguescarred1 Sep 09, 2014 11:02:40	Because it doesn't use the Attack action and that bonus action cannot be taken otuside your turn (Giant Killer most often trigger on other creature's turn), I'd say you can make one melee or ranged attack (weapon or spell) as per Making An Attack (PHB 193)
#4 Jay_Ibero_911 Sep 09, 2014 11:27:28	Plaguescarred wrote:
#5 Jay_Ibero_911 Sep 09, 2014 11:27:28	Plaguescarred wrote:
#6 2Chlorobutanal Sep 10, 2014 0:12:18	Spells with attack rolls are spell attacks, but you cannot cast a spell in the first place without being allowed to "cast a spell."   So, if you use Giant Killer, you could make "an attack" as a reaction, but without the ability to "cast a spell," it doesn't matter if you have a spell that creates spell attacks- you cannot cast a spell on this reaction, so it never "gets to the point" where you would make a spell attack.   I think every spell attack in the PHB is either done as part of casting a spell or used as an action or bonus action specific to that spell.  Since none of these grant you the general "ability to make a spell attack (whenever you could make an attack), you can't cast any spells with Giant Killer.   Also, under the "Attack" heading in the "Action" section of the combat rules, "attacks" are clarified as either ranged or melee attacks.  Under the "Making an Attack" section, it says "...or making an attack roll as part of a spell."   For Giant Killer to work with any "spell attacks," there would need to be some feature or spell benefit along the lines of "While (duration or condition), you may make a special spell spell attack whenever you could make a weapon attack.  This attack does (insert specifics)."   However, note that in this case, if it follows from most special attack options in the game, it would necessitate the phrasing "When you take the attack action on your turn," which would again invalidate this hypothetical feature from being used with Giant Killer.
#7 Jay_Ibero_911 Sep 10, 2014 9:52:26	2Chlorobutanal wrote:
(Reply to #7) Overpromises	Jay_Ibero_911 wrote:
#9 mellored Sep 10, 2014 13:33:01	Overpromises wrote:
#10 CahPahkah Sep 10, 2014 13:41:14	So a level 20 fighter could cast four spells via Extra Attack, right?   We should probably make up that he can concentrate on all four simultaneously, too, because they're all cast as part of the same Action.   /s
(Reply to #9) Overpromises	mellored wrote:
(Reply to #7) 2Chlorobutanal	Jay_Ibero_911 wrote:
#13 Jay_Ibero_911 Sep 11, 2014 3:13:11	2Chlorobutanal wrote:
(Reply to #13) 2Chlorobutanal	Jay_Ibero_911 wrote:
#15 Keendk Sep 11, 2014 6:29:08	Overpromises wrote:
(Reply to #15) Overpromises	Keendk wrote:
#17 E-Tallitnics Sep 11, 2014 19:18:37	The end result, regardless of how you define Attack, is that this class feature allows you to make an Attack as a Reaction and only 4 spells have a casting time of 1 Reaction: Counterspell, Feather Fall, Hellish Rebuke (which is not an attack roll), and Shield.    So it's a moot point folks!