Suggestion for goodberry: as it stands, the spell reads that each berry heals one hit point and provides one day of nourishment. Assuming someone eats more than one berry a day, this could lead to some very fat adventurers. ("I used to be an adventurer like you, until I ate a slice of goodberry pie.")
Thus, I suggest that the spell be changed so that each berry can heal one hit point OR provide one day of nourishment. From a roleplaying perspective, this could be described as squeezing the berry's juice into the wound for the healing or eating it for the nourishment.
This preserves the power level of the spell while eliminating the awkwardness of someone eating enough food and water for ten people in a single minute.
You could just interpret the nourishment as a sustained magical effect, and those don't stack. Of course, you might suddenly feel quite hungry if you enter an antimagic field.
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It's magic and so there are explanations for everything. If a DM wants to make it so that someone gets fat off too many goodberries, they can. In the real world, scientifically, we can only gain as much mass as we take in, so eating a berry can only raise a person's mass by that of the berry (realistically, it's less since a portion of the berry's mass will be converted to energy). After magic is introduced, you can decide how the scientific rules are changed. Maybe the goodberry magically becomes more massive after ingestion allowing for a fat overeater. Maybe it works like a magic time-release vitamin, where excess nourishment is just urinated out.
I disagree with your conclusion that the nourishment from prolonged goodberry use, if considered a sustained magical effect, would result in immediate starvation upon the magic being dispelled. Only the most recent nourishment would be dispelled, since they don't stack. You'd be kinda hungry. The previous nourishments ran their course and sustained you for the day, then their magic dissipated.
The healing is instant and permanent, with no lingering magic to be dispelled.
Just remember: Violet Beauregarde chewed one piece of gum and *this* happened!
Friends don't let their Druid overdose on Goodberries!
Basicly you are suggesting going back to the version of GOODBERRY found in earlier editions, although then it was "a hungry person" that could gain the benefit as if eating a full meal. After you had eaten one you would no longer be hungry, so eating another would not give you any additional nutritional benefit. No worry about fat druids.
But in general - the people writing 5E were well aware of the definitions used in previous editions of the game, so we must believe that they had specific reasons for changing away from that earlier version and adopting the new version in its place. Naturally, any group can decide to House Rule it back if that's the way they prefer to play it, but I hardly see a popular uprising arguing to weaken it.
So the berries are diet.
I don't think homebrewing rules to address flavor issues is a good idea. delroland, You seem caught up on the jump from Goodberry magically providing a day's worth of nourishment to mean it also contains 2,000ish calories. I don't think this is the case. It's a magic berry, the laws of thermodynamics don't really apply. Instead of creating a rule that just bogs down gameplay (does it really add to the game if everyon time someone eats a goodberry they have to clarify whether it's for sustanance or healing? Which also brings up another problem, how does the eater of the berry decide what the berry is going to do?) you could instead just imagine a new justification for why people don't get fat from eating goodberries.
If you don't track your adventurer's caloric intake and how much they burn while adventuring in general I don't think I'd invent reasons to start. Tracking experience is work enough, don't need to be tracking pounds lost and gained. It's a game after all.
I must admit I kind of want to design a character with the moniker, "The Goodberry Glutton" now.
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I run good berries as being as filling as they are nutritious. One berry fills you for a day. Two will ovestuff you. Three would be intensely painful. They are intended to be a food replacement, not a healing source. The 1 point of healing is an incidental side effect of how good they are for the body.
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If a day of magical nourishment must include 2000 calories, then a druid magically turning into a bear or a mouse must still weigh as much as a humanoid, because science.
It's been said multiple times already, but seriously OP, you're overthinking magic.
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A thought occurred... Delroland, are you also ruling that Disciple of Life + Goodberry creates 4 HP goodberries? Personally, I do not, but it's literally the only reason I can think of to use your house rule, and most other DMs I know don't rule that way either. Allowing for it, then implementing the HP or nourishment choice, is like giving someone a wad of cash then telling them they owe taxes.