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#1 Cyrosgold Aug 14, 2015 10:22:31	When grappleing a target are you subjected to their weight should you try to move wih them? The grapple rules say that you have to either drag or carry them. The section on drag and carry capacity says that you're  restricted to 15 times your str score on the amount of weight you can carry, if the weight you drag exceeds this your movement is reduced to 5ft and your drag cap if 30 times your str score.
#2 AaronOfBarbaria Aug 14, 2015 11:53:13	Grappling, even when using the words "drag" and "carry", does not necessarily invoke the encumbrance rules.   In fact, if grappling did require those rules to be used it would be nearly impossible to use grappling as written because the vast majority of targets for said grappling (monsters, NPCs, and animals from the Monster Manual) do not actually have any weight listed, nor the weight of their equipment listed, so the DM would be required to stop in the middle of a battle, decide the creature's specific weight, tally the weight of all the gear said creature is using, and then compare that to how much of the character's encumbrance is unused to determine the results.   I beleive the intent of the rules is not to require such onerous book-keeping, but rather to follow the simplified limitations found under the description of grappling: target must be no more than one size larger than you; your speed is halved when moving a grappled creature with you unless said creature is two or more sizes smaller than you.   final point: with the way that mass works, it would be entirely uncessary to mention that you can grapple or shove a creature one size larger than you if the specific weight of such a creature mattered in the determination of what you can or can't grapple or shove because a typical large-sized creature is far more massive than a medium-sized creature could possibly carry, and likely pushes the limit of what such a creature could drag if not exceeding that limit as well.
#3 Wulf2k Aug 14, 2015 11:58:07	That is for lifting/dragging/carrying deadweight.  If you're grappling something then they're capable of moving under their own power.   Twist their arm until it's about to break and they'll happily move wherever you move.  Put something in a headlock and pull, and its body is following its head.   Grappling is about controlling the grappled creature, not literally dragging it around.   Edit:  If they'd intended more of a speed penalty than P195 of the PHB lists, then I expect they would have mentioned that in addition to it being halved.  Also, if it went purely on weight limits, a barbarian would likely have no speed penalty from just picking up and carrying a gnome.